12-bit (and 10-bit) RAW video development discussion

[justinbacle]

On the Mighty 50D I get : (reported write speed in parenthesis)

in crop mode 1920*1080
~1100 frames in 14 bits (~77 Mbps)
Continuous in 12 bits (75.7 Mbps)
Continuous in 10 bits (74.7 Mbps)

in Full sensor (1568*1046)
Continuous in 14 bits (72.7 Mbps)
Continuous in 12 bits (74.6 Mbps )
Continuous in 10 bits (75.8 Mbps )

So obviously, the reported bitrate is wrong, I'll have to check the recorded files

[ilguercio]

Any way to try the build for 6D?

[a1ex]

Indeed, the numbers displayed are estimations of your write speed, not the bitrate of the recorded movie. The latter is easy to compute: width x height x bpp/8 * fps [MB/s].

The stdev of those estimations is a little high for my taste, but not a major issue.

However, a second look over the code uncovered a bug (present in the old raw_rec and mlv_lite): the speed estimation is only used for next recording if global draw is off. Easy to fix.

[anDyIII]

I'm testing 10 and 12bit raw on my 5D Mark III, but why do I have MLV files if I use raw 1.0 to record?
Is it possible to add Status when recording to raw 1.0 to control in a better way how the recording is going?
Thanks.

[dfort]

...why do I have MLV files if I use raw 1.0 to record?

Go to the module menu and check raw_rec. On the raw_video_10bit_12bit branch it should report "Raw video v1.1 (MLV Lite)"

Any way to try the build for 6D?

That's included in the testing package I put in my bitbucket download area:

https://bitbucket.org/daniel_fort/magic-lantern/downloads/raw_video_10bit_12bit_2016Nov04.zip

Note that I'm going to leave this up for a limited time. I may or may not update as changes come in depending on the demand of the testers. I'd really rather everyone search for my compiling tutorials and roll their own.

[extremelypoorfilmaker]

just following the conversation

[DeafEyeJedi]

Note that I'm going to leave this up for a limited time. I may or may not update as changes come in depending on the demand of the testers. I'd really rather everyone search for my compiling tutorials and roll their own.

Agreed -- this is a great way to keep all of our projects moving forward in a nice pace otherwise!

[anto]

first, great!!! very impressive....
now I need a guidehow to use mlv_dump, please 

[tin2tin]

mlv_dump:
You need to disable all processing, e.g.
mlv_dump M00-1234.MLV --dng --no-fixcp --no-stripes

[reddeercity]

Or you can use MLVFS  on PC or Mac no update needed.
I'm using  "Quick Mount" on PC with the old Pismo/mlvfs.dll (just right click on file & quickmount  )
I think it's about 1 year old extraction workflow and has no issue
with the 10 & 12bit raw files .

[baccinoluigi]

Wonderful  job Guys

Tested on 5d mark III 113

Crop mode:

3584 x 1320 10bit 24fps 8/9 sec. (106.2 mbps)
3584 x 1320 12bit 24fps 4/5 sec. (106.2 mbps)
2880 x 1310 10bit 24fps Continous  (104.8 mbps)
2880 x 1080 12bit 24fps Continous  (104 mbps)

no frames corrupted

I cant belive myself i'm very very happy

Thanks very mutch for your job.

[Teamsleepkid]

this is awesome! thanks dfort for pointing me to this. live view still freezing on the eos m? just tried 1472x884 resolution in crop mode on eos m in 10 bit. looks very nice and detailed. just live view is freezing.

[kgv5]

I am testing this on 5d3 113. I am really shocked, with the old PC mlvfs (with pismo) 10 and 12 bits works like a breeze I am using resolve 12.5, sometimes only the first frames are corrupted but the rest is perfect. 10 and 12 bits recording is really a huge boost in recording times.

EDIT:

The most important and useful modes for me now:

1920x648 (1920x1080 16:9 after desqueeze) 50 fps 12bit - continous - (previously only 2,35:1 was continous)
1920x648 (1920x1080 16:9 after desqueeze) 60 fps 10 bit - 25 sek

1920x1080 37 fps 12 bit - 13 sek
                              10 bit - continous

2560x1320 25 fps (max vertical resolution available) 1.94:1 aspect - 10 bit - continous

2880x1226 2,35:1 25fps 10bit  - over 2 minutes
                              24 fps 10 bit - continous

I checked those recordings in resolve and sometimes there are first and last frames corrupted but no problems during clips.

FEATURE REQUEST:

in mlv rec module there is possibility to choose more resolutions, could somebody please add those resolutions to the 10/12bit raw rec module?
3200x1320 (2.42:1)
3168x1320 (2.40:1)
3104x1320 (2,35:1)

There might be some good recording times in 10 bit so we coul utilize all available pixels in vertical axis.

                                                                         

[kaco]

Guys,

could anyone of you share compiled 5Dm3.113 version?

[kgv5]

Couple posts above...

https://bitbucket.org/daniel_fort/magic-lantern/downloads

there is raw video 10 12 bit zip, you have 5d3 113 inside the zip...

[a1ex]

For fine resolution increments, you just have to port this change to MLV Lite.

The change should be simple enough for anyone with minimal C skills (perfect for new contributors looking for something easy to get started).

[Deadcode]

Couple posts above...

https://bitbucket.org/daniel_fort/magic-lantern/downloads

there is raw video 10 12 bit zip, you have 5d3 113 inside the zip...

I cannot find module for 5D Mark 2. That means there is not a proper settings available for 5D2 yet where every 2nd frame is not pink?

[GutterPump]

I cannot find module for 5D Mark 2. That means there is not a proper settings available for 5D2 yet where every 2nd frame is not pink?

Check this post : http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5601.msg174302#msg174302

Just replaces the module in your ML installation : ML / modules / raw_rec.mo


But yes, with the 5DII version there are pink frames issues. 10 and 12bits

[kaco]

Works great with 5Dm3 and fps override set to 37fps. Much better then 48fps in squeezed resolution. Any plans adding this to mlv_rec module, so that we could use audio as well?

[DeafEyeJedi]

@kaco -- How is 37p much better than 48p?

In terms of Motion (aliasing/moire) or Aspect Ratio/Resolution?

It may seem more ideal to go w 37p to avoid the desqueeze in post (resolution loss) but it's very minimal especially w 5D3 that it shouldn't even be a concern IMO.

Do you have any samples that show otherwise?

[dfort]

I cannot find module for 5D Mark 2. That means there is not a proper settings available for 5D2 yet where every 2nd frame is not pink?

Just replaces the module in your ML installation : ML / modules / raw_rec.mo

There were some changes to the back ends so it isn't just a matter of dropping in the module. Though I don't think that will solve the every other (pink) frame issue.

Sorry, I must have missed it while compiling all the platforms. I just put a new build on my bitbucket download area.

https://bitbucket.org/daniel_fort/magic-lantern/downloads

[kaco]

@DeafEyeJedi -- in 48/50p the vertical resolution is 1.67x smaller, which kills details and causes aliasing and moire. Most of wide angle shots are quite bad.

Switching to canon 25/24p mode and then overriding to 37fps means much more detail for me. BIG chance for me, crippled resolution in 48p mode was a reason for me to start looking for a new camera.

look at the aliased edges:
https://vimeo.com/148944224

[GutterPump]

@DeafEyeJedi -- in 48/50p the vertical resolution is 1.67x smaller, which kills details and causes aliasing and moire. Most of wide angle shots are quite bad.

Switching to canon 25/24p mode and then overriding to 37fps means much more detail for me. BIG chance for me, crippled resolution in 48p mode was a reason for me to start looking for a new camera.

look at the aliased edges:
https://vimeo.com/148944224

Your work is just amazing ! Never saw your stuff before.
How did you grade it ? Which softs ? which luts (if used) ?
I dont saw informations.

For answer you about aliasing and moire on 50 and 60fps footage due to stretching, yes it's a small issue, but believe me, most of 95% people don't will see anything.
And for be honest, on your footage i'm not focused on it.

[kaco]

@GutterPump -- thanks, it's graded in Davinci. And really, using 490px vertical resolution in a 4K world is not so acceptable for professional work. This is game changing.

On topic -- is this going to be a part of mlv_rec? Is this in raw_rec module just during development?

[justinbacle]

Results here with the 50D :

First frame

Even frames

Odd frames (except first one)


Is it the same problem as the 5DmkII ?