Author Topic: [SOLVED!] Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording  (Read 104810 times)

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Re: Re: Newest compiled builds for RAW recording
« Reply #75 on: May 28, 2013, 09:53:41 PM »
For the 1000th time: if you don't run the pixel peeping tests, there's nothing I can do.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5614.25

Also try shooting with a manual lens (or unscrew the Canon lens). Who knows...

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Re: Re: Newest compiled builds for RAW recording
« Reply #76 on: May 28, 2013, 11:53:53 PM »
I can`t figure out how to do the pixel peeping, but I can confirm the banding issue on the latest build (7fdfc08) on both electronic and manual canon lenses.

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Re: Newest compiled builds for RAW recording
« Reply #77 on: May 29, 2013, 12:00:20 AM »
If you can't follow something as simple as downloading some autoexec and hitting "don't click me", I wonder how did you install ML...

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Re: Re: Newest compiled builds for RAW recording
« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2013, 12:19:54 AM »
sometimes i wonder about that myself.. but anyway, when i download the autoexec and boot with it my camera just locks up with a frozen frame and it says "34" in the uper left corner.. so i can`t get into the ML menu.

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Re: Re: Newest compiled builds for RAW recording
« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2013, 12:31:22 AM »
ok i got it working, will start peeping at em now.

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Re: Re: Newest compiled builds for RAW recording
« Reply #80 on: May 29, 2013, 01:25:16 AM »
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so no perfect number in there as i can see it, it`s either pixels or banding, or both.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #81 on: May 29, 2013, 01:34:56 AM »
a1ex has made it quite clear on a number of occasions that he does not experience the issue, and cannot, and will not, fix the issue without details from the pixel peeping build.

General discussion/banter about the issue is fine, but any users contributing nothing to the thread, and specifically, mentioning issues regarding specific builds without having run the build from a1ex to help fix the issue, can expect a 3 day ban.

See this post for information about how to help solve this problem.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #82 on: May 29, 2013, 01:39:18 AM »
There was no fix for me... all types on 6D enable the stupid faux peaking.

leaving the type at default seemed like the best idea...

Easy to reproduce the sprinkles (focus an image with decent bit of contrast, ie wires) but hard to reproduce the different FPN that is produced. The FPN was in .422 and H264 as well.

The FPN is fairly easy to remove with de-noising plugins... the sprinkles are really not.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #83 on: May 29, 2013, 01:42:03 AM »
At least yours doesn't freeze running the test.

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Re: Newest compiled builds for RAW recording
« Reply #84 on: May 29, 2013, 01:45:33 AM »
If you can't follow something as simple as downloading some autoexec and hitting "don't click me", I wonder how did you install ML...

LOL

There's definitely no stripes in my footage so I suspect some setting in the camera is triggering it. In addition to performing the peeping test can anyone who's seeing the stripes/banding restore their MK3 to the default settings in the Canon menu and turn global draw and every other ML feature except raw recording off and shoot another test and upload a DNG. Make a note of the ISO, WB setting, shutter speed, lens, and nightly build number/date.

EDIT: Anyone who's experiencing the stripes/banding should do a test with FPS override set to 24/25fps exact and report whether that resolves the problem.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #85 on: May 29, 2013, 01:48:00 AM »
The banding for me comes from regular places... ISOs like 160, fps override, etc. Mostly on under-exposure or OK exposure at high ISO.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #86 on: May 29, 2013, 01:50:48 AM »
LOL

There's definitely no stripes in my footage so I suspect some setting in the camera is triggering it. In addition to performing the peeping test can anyone who's seeing the stripes/banding restore their MK3 to the default settings in the Canon menu and turn global draw and every other ML feature except raw recording off and shoot another test and upload a DNG. Make a note of the ISO, WB setting, shutter speed, lens, and nightly build number/date.

could you share a dng?

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #87 on: May 29, 2013, 01:53:07 AM »
I zoomed in 400% on my footage from yesterday and there's barely even any FPN. I shot it at 200 ISO. I have everything but raw recording off in both menus. I've never seen this banding/stripes on anything I've shot since the 1st raw build.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #88 on: May 29, 2013, 01:57:16 AM »
could you share a dng?

There's no point, there's nothing to see. The ACR denoiser was set to 0 luma and 25 chroma. To reduce the stripes on other peoples DNGs I set it to 50 luma 50 chroma.


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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #89 on: May 29, 2013, 02:01:05 AM »
Do some fps override... you'll see it I bet.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #90 on: May 29, 2013, 02:02:30 AM »
I always have FPS override set to 24 exact.

Here's a DNG https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzJ3L6nv6Fn0dW00MU5aTGNoa0k/edit?usp=sharing

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #91 on: May 29, 2013, 02:03:51 AM »
Set some below 6fps. 24 is OK I think.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #92 on: May 29, 2013, 02:05:34 AM »
I haven't seen stripes or the hot pixel problem as described yet in my Mark II footage. I've seen just a hint of a flicker in one clip.
Using may 24 build from a.d. and the 'alternative' raw module. In fact, I'm pretty stoked so far. It has gotta be donation time.
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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #93 on: May 29, 2013, 02:09:44 AM »
Set some below 6fps. 24 is OK I think.

Hehe, why would I want to do that?

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #94 on: May 29, 2013, 02:57:18 AM »
Then try some modes besides exact fps. Low fps is just a quick way to reproduce.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #95 on: May 29, 2013, 03:01:48 AM »
Amazing to see that the "sprinkles" (love that that's what we're referring to it has ha!) have completely disappeared when testing on the latest module for 6D. Finally have some time to spare so I can run the don't click me test if it's still required or is it not needed now?

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #96 on: May 29, 2013, 03:06:19 AM »
Then try some modes besides exact fps. Low fps is just a quick way to reproduce.

So what you're implying is people are experiencing this issue because they haven't configured their camera correctly for 24p recording.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #97 on: May 29, 2013, 03:23:43 AM »
Kinda. FPS should be 23.976 in theory.. none of the modes are really wrong... just exact works really well via trial+error.
All FPS overrides *should* work.

The other modes are more likely to produce defects so if you're not seeing ANY.... I'm not seeing them most of the time either... I didn't even find any sprinkles in normal shooting (with lv_af_raw) but tested some more and they were there... then we found the cause was this.

I don't want to be the guy who gets sprinkles (or excessive FPN) and has to edit them out :) That said, people are really peeping hard core.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #98 on: May 29, 2013, 03:47:53 AM »
Nothing wrong with a bit of hardcore peeping  8) :o


Anyone who's experiencing the stripes/banding should do a test with FPS override set to 24/25fps exact @ 100 multiple ISOs and report whether that resolves the problem.

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Re: Dead pixels - Hot pixels - Banding in RAW recording
« Reply #99 on: May 29, 2013, 11:31:11 AM »
Jonzero made a good job with his color pixels / banding analysis. I've just also done the complete test twice (though I only come to RAW type 74 because my camera always hang up at raw type 56 or 74). I made the test with 5D MarkIII and 8ba641e build. I also reseted all canon settings and turned of all other ML settings and played around with FPS.

However, results were always exactly as in Jonzeros list: Either color pixels, or vertical banding (repeating exactly every 8 pixels) or both.

For me, that is so tragic. I really hope Alex finds a way to fix the banding OR color pixels.

From all RAW types, mode 19 had fewest color pixels. But still too many color pixels.

Alex, do you think you might find another way to get out the color pixels OR banding, or do you assume that we will be stuck with it for a long time?