CFast to SSD /sd card to ssd can open the full capabillities of 5d mark iii

[m.k.Alasadi]

Hi guys Im currently not a magic lantern user ,I always wanted to buy canon 5d mark III but I got hassetated because the problem in continous shooting because we all know SD card can fail even cfast card back when I was surfing through Internet I found C Fast to SSD, CFast 2.0 Memory Card to 2.5" SATA 3 Hard Drive Card Adapter and I wondered is it possible to shot continuous 5.7k footage in canon 5d mark 3 with Danne build so if any one can test this adapter and approve this theory plz comment and give us the update it can unlock a whole new region and a new life to this camera

[Walter Schulz]

5D3 doesn't work with CFast.

[DarkTrapStudio]

When Walter first reply to me about the same question, Ive searched on the internet and it seems to possible until proven otherwise :

1/ With a female SSD to female SD board
2/ Youll need a single two male dummy SD cable

I don't have any experience but Im sure it will be possible to craft this kind of cable or get it done custom as it a really low technology

Here an example of this board

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If this board have bottleneck or something i guess it would be easy to get a custom pcb online and make a board with better components as there is a pletora of these services online theses day.

[DarkTrapStudio]

Walter I totally understand that you are tired of the same question that nobody find a solution but, same thing could have been said for someone saying can we take this 16 years low budget old camera and have 5K FRTP RAW Video custom mod.

This is far easier than what ML devs has achieve and nobody should try to stop someone to try with a vulgar meme in my opinion and we should encourage people to learn and try, this is my opinion and the fact that every major revolution have been rejected with ease like you did but Im always happy to learn from my mistake as always if Im wrong, but as I said I think Its not at all a behavior to have.

[names_are_hard]

OP specifically says CFast.  This is a different standard to Compact Flash.  5D3 does not support CFast.  OP's idea cannot work.

Might it be possible to plug together some set of cables and adapters?  Probably.  With high performance?  Probably not for CF or SD.  But I'd be happy to be proven wrong, then we'd all know a combination that actually worked!

[DarkTrapStudio]

Title say CF to SSD SD to SSD and I asked for the same thing in SSD too with similar answer that's why

[Walter Schulz]

So replacing a flash memory device (CF, SD) by another flash memory device (SSD) + some protocol adapter (additional device = adding risk of failure) wired by additonal cables (another source of failure) to enhance reliability make sense?

[names_are_hard]

Title say CF to SSD SD to SSD and I asked for the same thing in SSD too with similar answer that's why

Does it?  I only see CFast.  That is not CF.  It's easy to adapt CFast at high performance because of the protocol.  But 5D3 doesn't support CFast.  It's hard to adapt CF or SD at high performance.

[theBilalFakhouri]

History repeats itself, just to clarify:

CompactFlash                                                                       vs         CFast 2.0 interfaces.
5D3 Support it.                                                                                   5D3 doesn't Support it.

[DarkTrapStudio]

So replacing a flash memory device (CF, SD) by another flash memory device (SSD) + some protocol adapter (additional device = adding risk of failure) wired by additonal cables (another source of failure) to enhance reliability make sense?

No, just like people make fun and kill the first one saying that earth is round.

Does it?  I only see CFast.

Yes it is mentionned in the tittle "sd card to ssd"

[DarkTrapStudio]

History repeats itself

History always repeats itself, just like cells, seconds, hours, days, months, seasons, years, era and everything that exist. But always in a very or slight different way and/or manner.

[Walter Schulz]

No, just like people make fun and kill the first one saying that earth is round.

Adapters were discussed and propagated more than once and it started more than a decade ago. There was never an argument it couldn't be done. Quite the opposite. As names pointed out there is no technical reason it cannot be done. But it became a kind of stale running gag because over the time we have quite some people starting (or claiming they started) a project for an adapter and more than once they claimed being quite successful and the project is just in its final stage.
I leave it to your imagination what happened next. If "nothing" comes up it will be quite correct. So OP is quite not the first (neither were you) but - unknowingly - OP stands in a long line of failed attempts. Plus invalid assumptions about reliability.
"Earth is round". History lesson number II: There was never anyone killed because of it. Catholic church never had a doctrine/dogma about earth being flat.

Background info: Back in the days as a student I actually had a project to create a data aquisition device coupling two different bus systems. Pretty close related what we are talking about. So I know one thing or two about adapters/couplers.

If you think it is an easy task (as you expressed): Hic Rhodus, hic salta!

[Note to self: Order more popcorn and soda]

[Bruno Italiano]

https://youtu.be/_3HJ4_3vGfk

Good idea, but what about alternative solutions? I would be happy if everybody respected each other. I have never seen such a strange picture used in this form in magiclantern.fm 😇

An alternative to magic lantern would only be a really expensive camera. Of course, cameras like the Canon EOS 5 RC are not really affordable. I'm considering the Canon EOS 1DX Mark iii, but then I noticed Canon EOS R5 was a similar price. I really would imagine that the Canon EOS 5D Mark III + Magic Lantern is a better camera. I am only happy waiting for the best in the Canon EOS R1 announced in 2024 to replace magic lantern.

[Skinny]

Well, I wish there would be a working inexpensive ML-compatible SSD to CF adapter.
Or even SD to CF with at least 60mb/s performance..

Here an example of this board

https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005005626437583.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.3.76cb43a3v6VTCT&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.281175.0&scm_id=1007.40050.281175.0&scm-url=1007.40050.281175.0&pvid=f49fa7fa-931d-4206-a954-2a243ea23c7f&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.281175.0,pvid:f49fa7fa-931d-4206-a954-2a243ea23c7f,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238109%231935&isseo=y&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21EUR%2118.07%218.31%21%21%2119.22%21%21%4021059dbe16925524548822545e49bd%2112000033794998808%21rec%21FR%211697255887%21A

This thing looks like SD to Sata adapter and it will probably not work in reverse, it is just a consumer product to replace expensive SSD drive with a cheap SD card where the speed is not an issue. I am 99% sure it will not work in reverse.. SD interface is simple but emulating SD card is much harder, so I don't think they implemented it because most people will just use this board as an alternative to SSD.

You can even see some linear voltage regulators on the board, to provide the power to the SD card and chips so it was designed to go in one direction only

[kitor]

https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5470.0

There's a long thread about what can and can't be done.

Theoretically SATA to IDE (UDMA) and IDE -> CF could work, as CF in IDE mode is subset of IDE and UDMA is also part of ATA.

And CFast is jut SATA with different connector.
How to combine those? Will you find proper adapters? (note that every adapter in this chain is one way only so you need SATA to ATA and ATA to CF - do those even exist?). Will it even work? (SATA->ATA is quirky, there are a ton of problems with different adapter ICs). Will it cost less than buying a better camera?
I don't think any of those were answered in the past.

[DarkTrapStudio]

Thanks for the wiseness and keep your cool about my lack of experience Walter.

[Skinny]

as CF in IDE mode is subset of IDE and UDMA is also part of ATA.

So, is it possible to connect a fast IDE hard drive with just passive adapter and the camera would work? I thought Canon use UDMA-something, and it is not supported by HDD, only by CF cards..

[Walter Schulz]

UDMA-7 is exclusive to CF cards.
Card and host negotiate transfer modes and matching highest mode will be used. Otherwise UDMA-7 cards would not work in non-UDMA-7 hosts.