Crop Mood in 2:1 ratio with EOS M

Started by bocago, June 05, 2023, 02:20:11 AM

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bocago

In 1x3 mode, at 2:1 aspect ratio, with the 4.8K (highest) preset, I find that the image quality vs crop factor vs frame rate is in the sweet spot, making it flexible to change your ratio to 16:9 or 2.35:1.

Here are some shots I took during the weekend in 2:1


DarkTrapStudio

Look great ! I love especially the shots of the parrots and cats, did you stabilize it on Davinci, and delivery codec H265 automatic bitrate ?



bocago

Quote from: DarkTrapStudio on June 05, 2023, 09:45:13 PM
Look great ! I love especially the shots of the parrots and cats, did you stabilize it on Davinci, and delivery codec H265 automatic bitrate ?

Thank you. I don't use Davinci. Yes, I added stabilization in Final Cut Pro and exported in prores 4444.

ML700D

nice grading.. do you use lut?

2.2:1 ar is better I think..
EOS 700D

DarkTrapStudio

Quote from: bocago on June 08, 2023, 08:07:25 AM
[..]exported in prores 4444.

Oh Prores on youtube, cause youtube exept Rec709 color space, how different is your export from the encoded Vp09 youtube file please  ? Id really like to know that, would you share your orignal export via WeTransfer or SwissTransfer if that's not a problem for you please ?

Edit: Maybe if you grade in Rec709 color space while exporting ProRes444 I guess It would be the same ?

bocago

Quote from: ML700D on June 08, 2023, 11:14:14 AM
nice grading.. do you use lut?

2.2:1 ar is better I think..

Thank you. The reason I use 2:1 is because it is more flexible to crop to either 2.35:1 or 16:9. With 2.2:1, the height is is too short so I will need to crop more if I want to use it as 16:9.

Yes, I used Phantom LUTs for these shots.

bocago

Quote from: DarkTrapStudio on June 08, 2023, 10:42:21 PM
Oh Prores on youtube, cause youtube exept Rec709 color space, how different is your export from the encoded Vp09 youtube file please  ? Id really like to know that, would you share your orignal export via WeTransfer or SwissTransfer if that's not a problem for you please ?

Edit: Maybe if you grade in Rec709 color space while exporting ProRes444 I guess It would be the same ?

I don't really understand the math or technical stuff behind the codecs etc, but Prores 4444 was for my MLVapp and Final Cut Pro export, and the file size is huge. For uploading, I converted it to h264. You can get the video file which I used for uploading to youtube here: https://mab.to/t/m4KQZENXg3X/us3

ML700D

Quote from: bocago on June 09, 2023, 12:58:13 AM
Thank you. The reason I use 2:1 is because it is more flexible to crop to either 2.35:1 or 16:9. With 2.2:1, the height is is too short so I will need to crop more if I want to use it as 16:9.

Yes, I used Phantom LUTs for these shots.

I see.. and why don't use 16:9 instead, it can be cropped to 2:1, 2.35:1 or any ar right?
because 16:9 is 1.78 bigger than 2:1 or 2.35:1 and you have more room to adjust in post without crop IMO

btw may I have some MLV clips of yours? few frames is fine. just for my test. thanks.
EOS 700D

bocago

Quote from: ML700D on June 09, 2023, 04:42:34 AM
I see.. and why don't use 16:9 instead, it can be cropped to 2:1, 2.35:1 or any ar right?
because 16:9 is 1.78 bigger than 2:1 or 2.35:1 and you have more room to adjust in post without crop IMO

btw may I have some MLV clips of yours? few frames is fine. just for my test. thanks.

I use 16:9, too, but in 3x3. We have more room in that mode. But in 1x3, the 16:9 has crop. When I want to use it for 2.35:1, I have to crop even more. The sweet spot is 2:1 at 4.8K. Very minimum crop and can be adjustable to 16:9 or 2.35:1.

Ouch, as for MLV files, I never keep them too long. Like once I finish a project, I always delete the MLVs. I can share MLVs for my next shots.

ML700D

Quote from: bocago on June 09, 2023, 06:59:46 AM
I use 16:9, too, but in 3x3. We have more room in that mode. But in 1x3, the 16:9 has crop. When I want to use it for 2.35:1, I have to crop even more. The sweet spot is 2:1 at 4.8K. Very minimum crop and can be adjustable to 16:9 or 2.35:1.

I see.. I'll try it.

Quote from: bocago on June 09, 2023, 06:59:46 AM
Ouch, as for MLV files, I never keep them too long. Like once I finish a project, I always delete the MLVs. I can share MLVs for my next shots.

ok.. thanks.
EOS 700D

DarkTrapStudio

Quote from: bocago on June 09, 2023, 01:02:55 AM
I don't really understand the math or technical stuff behind the codecs etc, but Prores 4444 was for my MLVapp and Final Cut Pro export, and the file size is huge. For uploading, I converted it to h264


You just got to understand timeline color space, and output color space

You can set your timeline color space to work in HDR for example, and output (the export to simplify) to rec709, so when you export to rec709 so color will be mapped accordingly rather than be exported in HDR and when uploaded to youtube with possible problems

You have a free course on color management in the Blackmagicdesign website : https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/training



bocago

Thanks. Doing videos as a hobby and coming from painting background, I am more like an artist rather than a programmer. There are many things related to technical stuff which I don't really understand, but it's nice I can learn from people here.

Unfortunately, I don't use Resolve anymore. I stick to Final Cut Pro. But maybe one day I may revert.

DarkTrapStudio

Quote from: bocago on June 13, 2023, 08:37:21 AM
Thanks. Doing videos as a hobby and coming from painting background, I am more like an artist rather than a programmer. There are many things related to technical stuff which I don't really understand, but it's nice I can learn from people here.

Unfortunately, I don't use Resolve anymore. I stick to Final Cut Pro. But maybe one day I may revert.

No problem color management works the same everywere I guess