Author Topic: Magic Lantern Raw Video Default Color (plus a task for any willing ML users)  (Read 28133 times)

JADURCA

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Great!!!

I'm about to buy Cinelog-C For Adobe Camera Raw. DeafEyeJedi, help me decide. I sent DNG samples and he has kind to return them processed with Cinelog profile so I can see the results and benefits with my own footage.

@Andy600 - so there is going to be improvement for Cinelog soon. Your goal is to make it work like a Cinema DNG format with corrected color data ready for most NLE?

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@JUDURCA - The goal of this thread is basically to conform color metadata in the DNG files to CinemaDNG standard so that apps like Premier and Resolve are working with optimized numbers. There is very little difference in terms of how things will look but technically speaking it should improve cross-application color appearance.

If you can use Resolve 12 you already have a very good color management system (RCM) which will natively transform colorspaces without luts or Cinelog. If you are an Adobe user we have new matrix-only color options coming to our ACR profiles plus new lut profiles for non-raw colorspaces in AE and Resolve and a few other things.

My original intention was to provide a new set of forward matrices for ML users (not just Cinelog users) but there is no support for forward matrices in CinemaDNG. Resolve or Premier Pro CC (native DNG support) and any app built to CinemaDNG standard will just ignore them so I've had to rethink how we can do it. 

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@dfort - which version of DNG converter did you use?

Adobe Camera Raw 9.1.1

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Cinelog is still by far the best option for working with ML footage in After Effects, and trying to replicate its specific functions with other LUTs is a very difficult task (trust me, I have tried).

Looking forward to the new releases.  Great work all round @Andy600
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Cinelog is still by far the best option for working with ML footage in After Effects, and trying to replicate its specific functions with other LUTs is a very difficult task (trust me, I have tried).

Looking forward to the new releases.  Great work all round @Andy600

Agreed.

Great!!!

I'm about to buy Cinelog-C For Adobe Camera Raw. DeafEyeJedi, help me decide. I sent DNG samples and he has kind to return them processed with Cinelog profile so I can see the results and benefits with my own footage.

@Andy600 - so there is going to be improvement for Cinelog soon. Your goal is to make it work like a Cinema DNG format with corrected color data ready for most NLE?

You shall soon... FYI your PM inbox is full and am unable to reply back to you until you free up some space.
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@ DeafEyeJedi - Oh! I thought that you were busy filming at Hollywood :P Thanks for letting me know! Deleting inbox messages...

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I hope I did this correctly (MLV > MLVFS latest).

EOS 500D

Normalized Color Matrix 1 : 0.7882 -0.1540 -0.0654 -0.3956 1.2149 0.3105 -0.0416 0.1455 0.7014
Normalized Color Matrix 2 : 0.7862 -0.0743 -0.1126 -0.5014 1.4573 0.2372 -0.1062 0.2529 0.6629
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@Andy600 how is this project going? This topic has been quiet for a while and it appears that the final list hasn't been published yet.

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Don't know if this project is still going on but I noticed that the 100D wasn't on the list so here it is:

EOS 100D (Rebel SL1)

Normalized Color Matrix 1 : 0.7528 -0.1736 -0.0428 -0.3876 1.1585 0.3551 -0.0376 0.1224 0.7019
Normalized Color Matrix 2 : 0.7950 -0.1013 -0.1131 -0.5385 1.5001 0.2706 -0.1174 0.2455 0.7403

By the way, the EOSM values posted in Reply #1 don't match what I came up with. Interesting that all the cameras that I have tested with the focus pixels showing in raw video issue have the same data. (100D/650D/700D/EOSM)

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I still have faith in this project of yours, Andy!
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