Full-resolution silent pictures (silent.mo)

[X-RAY]

Tried it with the actual nightly and image review 0. Works fine so far, also intervalometer seems to work.
But why do I have to press half shutter again after a FRSP to get back to liveview?

[breaker]

Thanks Alex! Works fine. This also brings a "Take pics like crazy" if you keep holding halfshutter (only in MLV mode EDIT: and CanonReview time is 0)
With the MX3 controller i can adjust shutter signal to 0 ms, and when I adjusted the focus signal to 1000ms it worked with original cable!

The only issue is that it might be strange to some people when the screen is black without any information after review is timed out.

But I have exactly what I need 

[dmilligan]

when the screen is black without any information after review is timed out.

Maybe we can draw a simple version of the Canon display you see outside of LV with exposure parameters etc. on it.

Then we just need a rangefinder attachment for composing the shot and LV can just stay off

[andrushkaus]

Hello,

There're surprisingly few tutorials on silent full-rez timelapses of sunsets and all searches bring here. So I'll dare to ask in this branch.

I am using the latest nightly build (maybe it's an overkill and I need simply the latest ML, pls, tell me) on my T3i (600D) and willing to learn only one thing  - capture a silent full-rez timelapse of sunrise/sunset. The problem: I set up ETTR, intervalometer, silent mode, M-mode, but regardless of how I reinforce the ISO, it keeps jumping to the highest 3200 once the longest allowed shutter speed is reached. So if I start at 800 1/25th, it'll eventually roll over to 3200 3". Is it expected behavior? Or should I set the max shutter speed to 10sec? Other ideas?

I see all these wonderful stary nightlapses, but I also want to blend in some of the sunset.

[mk11174]

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-3.8  16"     15"   16887
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-3.6  12.5"   13"   13080
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For 700D if this info is still needed.

[breaker]

ISO, it keeps jumping to the highest 3200 once the longest allowed shutter speed is reached. So if I start at 800 1/25th, it'll eventually roll over to 3200 3". Is it expected behavior? Or should I set the max shutter speed to 10sec? Other ideas?

I see all these wonderful stary nightlapses, but I also want to blend in some of the sunset.

But it's not overexposed is it? You got to give it longer exposure time to bring in enough light at a dark night. Normally 15 to 30 seconds (high will bring startrails). By now Silent Fullres is restricted to 15 seconds, so that is all you got now. Aperture somewhere around 8-10, but you might have to lower it a bit because of the 15 seconds restrictor.

[Franz]

Hello,

There're surprisingly few tutorials on silent full-rez timelapses of sunsets and all searches bring here. So I'll dare to ask in this branch.

I am using the latest nightly build (maybe it's an overkill and I need simply the latest ML, pls, tell me) on my T3i (600D) and willing to learn only one thing  - capture a silent full-rez timelapse of sunrise/sunset. The problem: I set up ETTR, intervalometer, silent mode, M-mode, but regardless of how I reinforce the ISO, it keeps jumping to the highest 3200 once the longest allowed shutter speed is reached. So if I start at 800 1/25th, it'll eventually roll over to 3200 3". Is it expected behavior? Or should I set the max shutter speed to 10sec? Other ideas?

I see all these wonderful stary nightlapses, but I also want to blend in some of the sunset.

A few pages back and you will see posts that 600D has 0.8 sec Shutter limit, posts also include  explanation links. I was also dreaming about starry timelapses with my 600D, but with current nightlies it is not possible (correct me if new versions allow more than 0.8s) In the old stable release there is no FRSP. Hope the community can figure it out.

[andrushkaus]

breaker, Franz,

Thank you for the input. Yes, the pictures are perfect. But I'm not sure if we're talking about the same moment of shooting. I'm trying to get a feeling of how the process is going while the sun is hitting the horizon and the amount of light is gradually goes down. Let me elaborate:

Probably I was more wondering about re-inforcing the ISO. Yes, I read about the longest shutter speed, I understand that I may not get a night-lapse after all, but... I thought if I set ISO to 800, it wouldn't go up without me specifically telling it to. I thought silent timelapse is functioning like a AV mode, to some extend. I set up ISO, do manual focus, maybe even use some vintage lens and set up apperture manually... and all it'll do - adjust digital shutter. Once the slowest shutter speed is hit, it stops. It seems now that as soon as the slowest shutter speed is reached, it jumps onto next ISO (from 800 to 1600, then from 1600 to 3200), shoots, reaches 3200 with slowest shutter speed and only then stops. Is it so? Has anyone played with sunsets/sunrises much? Maybe all I need is elaborate tutorial on setup cause I'm missing something.

What if I wanted to shoot with ISO 1600, for example, and shoot up until the shutter speed is 0.8?

Thanks

p.s. really want to master the whole process in the next 4-5 days before vacation.

[Ottoga]

@g3gg0

with mlv_dump you should preprocess the MLV file.
e.g. mlv_dump -A 25000 -o out.mlv in.mlv

Tried this with a number of frsp.mlv files and verified the frame rate change via raw2cdng. MLRawViwer is still is still fussy when opening the output files and crashes 100% of the time when attempting to export.

[breaker]

Probably I was more wondering about re-inforcing the ISO. Yes, I read about the longest shutter speed, I understand that I may not get a night-lapse after all, but... I thought if I set ISO to 800, it wouldn't go up without me specifically telling it to.

You better read this, and other ETTR  related threads. Shutter and ISO is what ETTR manipulate. If you don't want ISO to change you'll better stay with AV  I also recommend you to do the testing with normal noisy pics, then you don't get restricted by the Silent's limitations.

[dmilligan]

Why wouldn't you want the ISO to increase? That's the whole point of ETTR.

[DeafEyeJedi]

@Ottoga:

Which version of MLRV are you using that's crashing with MLV's produced by FRSP?

[Ottoga]

@DeafEyeJedi

MLRawViewer 1.4.3

[DeafEyeJedi]

Try deleting all existing .IDX files and retry?

Did you try changing FPS Settings? (Shift + F) see if that helps?

If not, send me a copy of your MLV's.

[itsskin]

5d3 times:

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SV          Time (ms)
15"         16874
13"         13065
10"         11023
8"          8553
6"          6649
5"          5628
4"          4393
3"2         3441
2"5         2931
2"          2313
1"6         1837
1"3         1582
1"          1272
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0"6         906
0"5         751
0"4         641
0"3         569
1/4         493
1/5         416
1/6         384
1/8         347
1/10        319
1/13        302
1/15        284
1/20        269
1/25        261
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1/125       228
1/160       227
1/200       226
1/250       224
1/320       224
1/400       223
1/500       220


[Ottoga]

@DeafEyeJdei

Try deleting all existing .IDX files and retry?  Done before each attempt to process - They are never fully built as MLRV crashes almost immediately

Did you try changing FPS Settings? (Shift + F) see if that helps? - I have changed the FPS setting using MLV_Dump to no effect i.e: MLRV still crashes, not able to do it in MLRV.

If not, send me a copy of your MLV's. - The link is to an original file as captured with FRSP.
                                                         https://www.dropbox.com/s/6z2j2irdppappzv/54830000.MLV?dl=0   Be aware, 700mb file

I have also over the last couple of days built a Linux VM in VBOX and have installed MLRV into that. It seems to have installed ok but its not behaving as expected either. e.g.: Can't run the GUI, only via the command line and I'm having a bunch of OpenGL issues with this build.  I don't know if it is a VBOX or a Linux build issue. Way out my comfort zone with this.

I appreciate your assistance with this.


Cheers... Otto

[pontop]

I do focus stacking extreme macros and have been waiting for this feature to make it to the nightly build. Thank you A1ex and all other contributors!
I have made a few tests for focus stacking and it looks very promising. Found a few minor issues though:
1: The white balance is different from what I get when doing a normal exposure with the same settings.
2: Also the exposure is 1-2 steps lighter with silent pictures.
3: Exposure settings are reported as 1 s at f/1.0 in the EXIF information.
The exposure can be compensated for and the white balance can be fixed in post processing, so it is not a major issue. But I wonder if it is something I am doing wrong.

/Pontop

[itsskin]

Yeah, DNG EXIF would be great to have for lens correction and other stuff

[Audionut]

This needs fixing for EXIF.

[dmilligan]

I have a separate PR that revamps the entire DNG writing code. For now, if you want metadata, use MLV format. You'll get EXIF metadata when you convert the MLV to DNG, assuming your converter handles it properly (most of them should).

[itsskin]

I shot a test timelapse today and got some strange artifacts. Don't have direct comparison with normal CR2, but I'm pretty sure I never saw them before. It's iso 100 @ 5 sec exposure.



Though can be problematic shot. Others are ok. Like this one:

[dxotic]

I too am having crashes with MLRV 1.4.3 . I am on Mavericks 10.9.4 Mac Mini .

I start the MLRV program navigate to my file and it starts up black, then if i scrub it crashes immediately, if i don't and just add it to the render queue for mov and then wait for the output the file is black.

With MLVFS i can safely make DNGs out of them but I do love MLRV. with its Luts

Hoping that this can get fixed.

[DeafEyeJedi]

@Ottoga:

Thanks for the MLV file. Ran MLRV 1.4.3 in Yosemite and exported both .mov & .dng's fine.







https://vimeo.com/125021447



Not sure what could be causing the crashes on your end?

[Ottoga]

@DeafEyeJedi

Thanks for testing the clip out for me. It looks like the issue is in my PC although I can't think what at the moment (W8.1 professional, 6GB ram, Intel i5 processor, Intel HD graphics).

Are there any dependencies that I need to install? i.e. my old notebook had Python and Pearl installed?

Cheers... Otto

[Audionut]

I shot a test timelapse today and got some strange artifacts. Don't have direct comparison with normal CR2, but I'm pretty sure I never saw them before. It's iso 100 @ 5 sec exposure.

Underexposed.  Increase exposure and/or ISO.