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Hey guys sorry if this has been asked before but I just got a 50D the other day (200 bucks from a photographer friend).

2 questions. Should I be using raw_rec or mlv? I've been suing mlv just to mess around so far.

Also, when go from iso 3200 to 6400 (h1) I don't see a difference on the screen? Same with h2. They look like 3200. Is 3200 the limit for video? I had seen one of the first test videos was supposedly shot on H1 or H2.

Thanks!

Hey no worries, I found the nified releases up til Sep 20 here: http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/

I think it fixed the issues I had with the last nightly I was running (tweaking audio levels while recording). And it has pretty new menus. I can wait for a nicer unified later on.

I wish I could just separate cards, and I may do that once I go buy some more, but with 3 16GB's and 5 32GB's all haning out together in my card holder while I'm running around checking up on 3 cameras during a wedding ceremony, well it gets hard rnough just making sure I out the non-ML cards in the EOS M lol. Readin this I realize I need to double, if not triple, my cards

Wait... I haven't downloaded a nihtly build since april...

Is there no more unified builds? I already had to have separate cards for the EOS M when I wanted to use ML on it, but now I need separate cards for the 60D AND T2i (550D)? Is there a way to download a unified ML nightly build that will work on both 550D and 60D as it's always been?

@Mixer2:

Yeah I saw the video, and even based on further testing I did I've seen what you mean. Plus upscaling that much is still not ideal. But what I mean is on the other cameras the raw video in regular (non crop) mode isn't vertically squished so when you upscale you upscale both x and y.

@mixer2:

I'm still puzzled as to why the non-crop mode is squished. That doesn't happen on my 60D or T2i, although I did see there was a squished option when recording at 720p resolution in movie mode on the 60D.

Why don't you just use an external monitor via the HDMI or the other port (the red/yellow/white cable)?

Remote capture as in recording via EOS Utility?

@mixer2:

I'll compare it all next week, I have a bunch of planning for this shoot I'm directing (not to mention finishing this music video) to take up my time now lol.

I know the crop will probably be better detail, but the crop and lack of shallow depth are a bummer. I'll probably end up using them both as needed for shoots I use the EOS M for raw. As it stands now this camera is my best bet for raw video since my 60D and T2i have slow SD card controllers. If the non-crop raw on the M resolves more detail than the H264, then it will be a nice upgrade for now given that I'll get sharper images and more latitude. I don't necessarily even mind the H264 still as I still use it for a bunch of stuff, so we'll see how useful raw even is for me. Also I have no idea how to use the pixel remover thing lol.

here is a screen grab from the video

http://i.imgur.com/m52FyVe.jpg

Edit: Well, imgur really messed with the quality so this is a terrible example lol

I recorded at the max res the EOS M lets you on a PNY Class 10 card. And I would upload but my internet is shite at the moment. How would a more vertical aspect ratio help at all? I thought the squeeze factor was the same, and I just prefer the look of 2.39.

Why do you say it is unusable? From my far from perfect test I think I'm getting more detail than from H264, and of course the latitude with raw is another bonus. I think I saw a couple jaggies on a string, but for what it's worth it's a small price to pay for other benefits. Maybe I'll notice it more in other subjects, but so far it's not a bad compromise for a $300 camera shooting raw. I'll have to try the crop mode, but I would much rather be able to use the whole sensor.

I'm exporting my first real test of the EOS M raw video, recorded using the full sensor at max resolution at 24fps and 2.39 aspect ratio. I resized it in AE to fix the stretch, but so far it's looking pretty good. At this resolution I'm getting continuous recording and it looks about as good as the full res looked on my 60D, except that only got me ~11 seconds.

I get 1600x410 2.35 @ 24fps running continuously with the hacks on.

Edit: Mine came with 2.0.2 installed

You can load ML on 2.0.2? I tried using the firmware in the first post on this thread but it didn't work

@1%: I just want you to know that I love and appreciate you so much. :3

Mine also came with 2.0.2 firmware. The expanded ISOs and some cropmarks are all I'd really really want. What would happen if I tried to install the older firmware onto an M with 2.0.2?

They both looked really nice. Too bad for that crop, although I'm sure there will be useful moments for it. Hopefully we can get the non-crop to not be all stretched, or does that seem impossible?

@mixer2: Wow thanks for the videos! I see that the resolution you recommend seems to be the best bet, how extreme is the crop on the M? Is it a 1:1 crop?

@mixer2:

Thanks I appreciate it! Why exactly is the M limited to extreme crop? Isn't it basically a 650D in a smaller body anyways? I just ordered one yesterday b/c at $300 it seemed a no-brainer as a 3rd camera, but I've also been harboring hope that it would make a decent upgrade in the RAW video department (a used 50D seemed a good option also but useless for anything besides films).

What are the chances that this could be fixed in the future? At 40mb/s we should theoretically get at least 720p RAW video (even if cinemascope cropped) which would be enough for me since upscaled 720p looks almost as sharp as the 1080p (as per tests on my 60D).

Anyways, thanks again, and sorry for the questions, I'm joining the EOS M party pretty late.

@mixer2: That would be awesome, thanks! EOS M is on sale now, so if I can get better continuous RAW than the 60D (960 wide) for $300 I'd be pretty happy :3

So as someone thinking about getting an EOS M...

Where does it stand in terms of the RAW video capabilities? I skimmed through and saw it has a faster write speed than my 60D, so I'm excited to at least get 1280x720 or crop versions of this resolution in RAW. Is this already possible or does it seem likely in the near future?

Thanks y'all!

I would certainly love for that possibility, but I don't think we will be able to do that with 14bit RAW. Maybe if they get 12 or 10 bit working. Regardless of how much you increase the buffer, my understanding is that the write speed limits writing these large files. Eventually that space is going to get backed up enough and full and cause recording to stop.

This is why I am strongly considering a 50D for higher resolution RAW. At the current stable resolutions (960 wide), the resolution looks not much better than regular H264. Now if we could get the 1280 wide modes working stably (720p or the 2.35 and 2.39 crops of it) that could be a great compromise. The image is still an increase in sharpness over regular H264.

The last option is to record at 1440 wide (1440 by 602 for example) at 12fps, then use Twixtor or similar software to create the missing frames in post. Not perfect, but probably the best we're going to get.


I did propose the idea of using JPEGs so that we could at least get sharper video at FullHD, but I don't know wether that's even possible.

He's not talking about the rainbows, he means the splotches of red and blue. very small ones, on the right.

Hey guys,

Not too sure what's happening but I am seeing some small red, blue, and yellow lines scattered throughout my dngs... Anyone know if a way to fix?
http://i39.tinypic.com/a79n4.png

IS THAT A DOUBLE RAINBOW?! haha, but yeah i see what you mean on the right side of the frame. Same was happening to me last night, higher ISOs made it worse. I'm not sure what it is, and it stayed on the same areas so I'm just hoping it's not my sensor dying

I'm madly in love with VisionColor, Tech and Log, but it doesn't have an affect on RAW the way I would want. However if I'm recording video, I ONLY use their picture styles.

I just picked up a 50D from Adorama an hour ago and installing ML on it now as we speak. We'll see how the "upgrade" works out

Damn, I wish I had the money to splurge on a 50D right now Let me know how they compare. I'm mostly interested in the noise comparisons, the 50D looks so clean while the 60D has a bunch of noise in the RAWs.

Here is a test comparing different resolutions under a high contrast situation. I'm on the fence as far as the 960 wide resolutions are concerned. I'd gladly settle for 1280 wide without skipped frames :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD_NuX_VqnA&feature=youtu.be