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roshawn: What resolution are you shooting on with the 60d ? If you are getting a few seconds you probably have ml installed correctly.  Try lowering the resolution ie to 1280 x 720 or something like that and see how you do. If you want continuous recording on the 60d you are going to have step down in resolution to 960x...

Hello, did you manage to finish your anamorphic project?
I am curious as I just bought myself an Iscomorphot 8 1.5x anamorphic lens, and I am new to the anamorphic world.
If you don't mind me asking what kind of anamorphic lens do you have?
Are you recording raw with your anamorphic lens, would you like  to share your worflow , if don't mind of course.
I know how to work with raw , I just would like some advices on how to go with aspect ratio and stuff like this.
Thank you so much.

Sent you a PM 're anamorphic lens advice. Looks like an excellent lens btw.

JIKIJI:

In what was formerly NTSC countries 23.976  and in PAL countries 25 FPS.

how do you guys wxport the footage? i mean, we take all this huge files and make a film hith many Gb, and then, how to upload it for vimeo for example? what kind of conversion will keep most details that worth using the raw?

@keikun007 it depends. There is no one way right now.The link below will take you to a good place to start:


http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=54.0

Did you turn the camera off and restart it?

Just posted the comparison video:
http://kahlworks.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/unscientific-yet-fun-50d-and-60d-raw-comparisons/

Kahl I like the comparison test. I understand what you mean about the 60D, it does feel like super 16,  the grain structure particularly indoors.

I wouldn't want to shoot looking at a 10x magnification. 5x view is just about useable but is still only around 50% of the captured frame size(=2.475x at 1080p dimensions).

Aliasing and moire seem to be getting confused here. The 50D will alias (sometimes badly) in non-crop but is much less in 1:1 crop mode and totally down to pixel size. Moire is rare in crop mode but can happen. Hey, even the ARRI Alexa suffers from it  Moire can only be totally defeated with a huge increase in pixels and a reduction in pixel size but this also has a knock-on effect to low light performance.

Excessive moire can also be down to how you process the DNG files. For extreme cases you really need to use AMaZE debayering (as found in Raw Therapee) or the anti-moire tool in ACR. Aliasing is more difficult to treat. I've tried anti-aliasing plugins but they have minimal positive effect. The only 'ok but not perfect' solution I have found when trying to rescue a 50D shot with bad aliasing is some serious post work, rescaling up to 4k or larger and back to 1080p. This softens the image but reduces aliasing artifacts. You then need to add selective sharpening to enhance areas that are less prone to aliasing and possibly add blur or even do some matte paining to artificially correct a scene. It's a lot of hassle if you're only shooting for fun.

That said, I've found the 50D is actually better than the 7D (which has FPN problems) for raw video and it can just about match the Bolex D16 image. The Black magic Cameras are significantly better but obviously much more expensive than our 5yr old DSLR.

After using 50D raw video for the past 9 months I would offer the following advice:

1) remember the limits of what you are shooting with. Don't expect night vision or 5D Mark III quality. The 50D is somewhere between an S16 and S35 but behaves like Super 16. It has +/- 11 stops of DR (Dx0 tests) but in reality only about 9-10 without excessive noise. However, noise can be cleaned up with Neat Video and can be squeaky clean but retain detail at ISO 1600 with the right settings (i.e. temporal filtering and only reducing noise in the channels that actually have noise).

2) The 50D needs light! It will give exceptional results (considering it's age) if you remember this.

3) Post processing is important. You're shooting raw video so why skimp? If you want fast and easy then shoot H.264 (or, pardon the plug, use Cinelog and a LUT ). It takes some careful steps to even get to a good starting point for grading but it's worth it.

I'll hazard a guess that no matter how bad your shot is, it can probably be cleaned up if you use the appropriate tools for the job but ask yourself first 'is the shot is worth saving?'! Sometimes a re-shoot, after learning how and where aliasing/moire occur in a given situation, is a better option.

Absolutely agree! 

This is a fairly good assessment here.
The 50D isn't really a low light monster, but if you're already used to using the cropped s35 sensors then it shouldn't be too much of a problem. If you're creative you can work around it fairly simply.

Agreed!

One point I'd have to say is that the 60D in raw behaves more like s16 film more than the 50D. I've found from comparative tests that the 50D is more like 3-perf s35 film when upscaled to 1080p, while the 60D (at 1152x490) resolves very similarly to s16 film (more so than the DBolex or BMPCC). I'm also looking into purchasing some super 16 glass to further look into this for the 60D as well.

Interesting point of view. I think of the 50D as 16mm like but can see what you mean.
I  have to try 1152x490 on the 60D- Interesting point.

BTW slightly off topic but I believe that Stanley Kubrick shot his first feature film almost entirely with a B&H Eyemo (KILLER'S KISS).

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What's the purpose of framing liveview if recording is shifted?
This bug makes crop view almost unusable for anything else than simple tests.
I'm using the 50D as B-cam of a BMCC but I'm forced to use it in full view, losing resolution and increasing aliasing, just because I never know what will be recorded in crop mode
Shots with short DOF are ok, but wide shots clearly suffer from the limitations of full view, compared to BMCC.

What I'm seeing in 10X Crop is the center of my 5x image. Is it exactly precise? it looks pretty close to me. In film days it would be somewhat akin to using a B&H Eyemo in 35MM or a B&H Filmo in 16MM. You may not have the exact view that you are looking at but you are close, somewhat of/ slightly a parallax view.-Edit-In 10x Crop I am actually recording my 5x image. But I can critically focus the center of the image. When I view what I shot in my NLE or ACR it is the entire 5x image.

AE likes to import footage at 30fps it seems. You have to manually select the sequence and click the interpret footage button then type in 24fps in the frame rate box. I assume you did this already but just wanted to make sure. Not sure what else would be causing the issue.


Question for anyone out there, do yo guys use the absolute zero sharpness feature in the video hacks menu? I wonder if it can produce better quality for sharpening in post instead of inside the camera. I already have the pic style set to 0 sharpness but I noticed this setting in Magic Lantern says its below canons 0 level. Yay or nay?

No. Don't use it. what are the benefits?

Finally finished this Music Video - a real pain in the ass due to hard drive space, but worth it.

Biskop, Inc.-  Very nice. Just a few seconds of video at a clip can yield some pretty nice results.

thanks, I was just thinking if it would be difficult to get the exact resolution, the less pixels

recording better the time. which build are you using? is the 01/09 still the best option?

I'm using the 2/05/14 build. The developers and moderators usually advise, I believe, to use the latest build.

hey guys, i want to make an anamorphic project in 2k, can someone help me to get the camera to film in 1024x858? that would be 1024 in 1.19 aspect ratio, so when desqueezed i'd get 2048x858.
plus, what is the best build atm? why marrek cleaned up the op?

thanks in advance

keikun007 the current resolutions in the latest build that I have, the closest to 1024 and still get you 2K is 1152 x . 1152 would get you over 2K upon desqueeze. The closest aspect ratio would be 1.21 1.175, from what I can see or 1152 x 960 980. It will get you in the ball park that you want to be in.
Maybe someone has something that could be of more help.

Welcome!

@Jackeately

"S16 PLs on an adapter would work fine,....."

Thanks for the help.

Here is the new 2014 Magic Lantern RAW format:

Nice! What was your workflow on this?

Sorry for  the duplicate post. Trollville on my part.

@brandonmarsh I really like the filmic quality of your footage. What was your workflow?

Similarly to @Jackeately I remember 16mm lenses being briefly covered in this forum, but I can't find. anything definitive for use in crop mode. I know that flange distance might be an issue. Anyone have anything definitive? Is it theoretically possible to use a wide or moderately wide16mm lens in crop mode on the 50d with an adaptor?

  Thanks!

Looks good bennyray1! What was your workflow and what aspect ratio did you shoot it in crop?

While in Raw Crop Mode 10x - was shooting 1920X (I forget the exact aspect ratio). Exposure Overide on and FPS Overide at 23.976, Everything else including GD off- Using SD Card-Sandisk 95 MB/s 32 GB
Received a notice while actually shooting -
There was a  Sudden Stop, the camera made a beep
Then the Notice-Sudden Stop- "Bug Report 06- Please Report "
It happened fairly quickly and I didn't take a photo of the notice.
I turned the camera off and started it again and everything was as normal.

Just been playing around with the 60d Raw in crop mode. I am getting 4 -6 Second bursts of 1920X1080 or 1920 X... depending on Aspect Ratio, with my card; the Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s 32GB . It is amazing what you can do with 4 seconds though. Most of the shots that I would use as an insert or reaction shot in a narrative are not much longer than 4 seconds. That coupled with 1728 X ...or 1280 ... makes a camera like the 60D usable.
Then of course under the right well lit conditions sneaking in H.264. 
Edit: Or if I have to only use raw only  (but in most cases I would mix formats) 960 X 540 or something continuous for longer scenes if needed. Especially for internet delivery.

@raffal92- Assuming you mean hot pixels there are a few remedies depending on what software that you are using.  Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WJBuGhMnvFo#t=0

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9700.0

@RenatoPhoto posted the above here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9755.msg93865#msg93865

Hope that helps.