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Hi pretty good colors but the video and post processing is very low quality. Somethin you can improve. The 5D3 can result in very good image quality.

And by the way if you try it see last image of "color space transform" and look at "tone mapping" choose "luminance mapping" and set "adaptation" slider

I will give this a try! But I already have cdngs made from months ago. Can I still change the white level? Are there no other IDT's the play nice with ml raw without having to alter the source file?

Yeah you can change white level with exif tool. I did that for one year and on old cdngs before i started with MLVapp.

Check post #100 in this thread https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=15801.100

In my opinion and from experience with Resolve , it does a big disservice to Magic Lantern Raw .
Being trying out Assimilate Scratch , I got a free 6 mouth licence and it way better then blackmagic resolve hands down !

Ok I understand, and I know Resolve is not that easy to setup to get good result, in terms of color and quality. Maybe it depends what camera you have for quality. I can imagine lower resolution then 1080p can get some slight worse result or maybe you record croprec at higher resolution. Good luck with Assimilate Scratch, it was a very expensive software when I last checked. But I can't understand how that gonna be different then Resolve. If you set Resolve up correctly you can get same result as ACR or MLVapp but you can easily cut and edit in it. You can check my latest grade video if you want. The colors is a 100% match to what I see in Resolve and the quality is good I think. Maybe I should get a screenrecording app for Windows and try making a tutorial for all the settings mostly and workflow. Now when I solved my workflow I don't look at buying any other camera then keeping my old Canon.

No can't agree , instead of using rec709 or AP1 use Adobe standard space and correct your output color space to 16-235 level instead of full range (0-255)

rec709 is 16-235, and hows that different from setting Adobe standard and 16-235 output?

My experience is that sRGB works best, when viewing videos from Youtube or Vimeo or other on displays. By works best i mean that it corresponds to what you see color like in your NLE and it a 100% match from NLE to online viewing. No color shifts after upload.

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Thought I could share this little edit I made for the six year anniversary for my camera in my hand. I'am very happy with the "grain" structure
mostly when viewing offline but it gets decent quality to Youtube to. I share some image exports from Resolve.

Shot on 5D3 and several lenses like Tokina 11-16, 100 IS macro and 400 5.6 L.

MLVs to DNG with MLVapp where i adjusted to max white level 16383 for better response in Resolve.

And in Resolve i edit and grade simultaneously and lastly make 3 groups of clips for best suited color noise reduction to keep the grain structure and I apply same sharpness on hole timeline.

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Have a good day!

/ Karl

Thank you,

You can also test outside brick walls and roof tiles from a distance can sometimes show antialiasing quality pretty easy. Please do some 14bit test if you like.

If you do tests please upload original MLV. 1080p fullframe mode is nice to test also.

Are there any built-in IDT's in Resolve that work play nicely with DNG's from MLV?

Hi, yes there is.

If you raise white level to 16383 in MLVapp before exporting DNGs you can get good result with setting color space in "Camera Raw Panel" to P3 D60 and Gamma 2.6 and highlight recovery. Like the image shows below



And set timeline "Color Management" to this if you going to upload to Youtube, sRGB and Gamma 2.2:



And in first Node in Resolve you choose a "Color Space Transform" and set it like this and grade inside this and the last "Color Space Transfrom".

First node:



Last node:

Go what way you want. But 5D is fullframe

Well its not good economics to buy a 5D3 and then use a card that writes 40mb/s.

The CF cards is really fast tho. I have a Lexar 256gb 1066X that I'am very happy with.

5D3 is 1 year and 4 months older then 70D

So far I've tested the new updated After Effects 17.1 in the process of converting DNG's to H.264!!! Since I have two 1080ti's in my build I HAD to try it. I've got some exciting news!


It's STILL painfully slow... maybe even slower than before. Back to Resolve I go!

EDIT: I take that back. I rendered a 19 second clip in After effects and it took 5 minutes. I then rendered that same clip in Adobe Media Encoder and it took 1 minute. That is significantly faster! I think I should probably do a super detailed test.

Hi yes! If you do please share. If the GPU can be used when debayering with Adobe Camera RAW its a big plus. Or if they add Adobe Camera RAW in Premiere Pro would be even better. Once you learn Resolve its not necessary to go back. Two 1080ti is too good to not use at full potential, like you do in Resolve.

I have a 1080ti and Titan X 12gb myself and a other GPU for display so theres quite much power for Resolve to use. I think the editing is very good in Resolve it got much better in 15 and 16.

I tried some different sharpen amounts, and I think sharpen the fine details worksfine. Noise gets more visible to and its especially two shots that I need to watch blacks getting to noisy, and should have adjusted before upload. Adjusting contrast lift and gain to get rid of noise is one thing that you need to pay attention to while grading. And maybe not use the shadows slider on worse exposed shots and on higher ISO.

Beautiful shots! And nice grading! What lenses did you use at 1:57?

Hi Dmitriy,

On those shots I used my Canon 400 5.6 L on a tripod and I also used the 3X ML zoom in function while recording so with digital zoom and the lens its 1200mm.

Thanks for commenting!

Nice video!
Why should one do this? If 15000 is saved as RAW whitelevel for your camera, you won't get any additional information by just raising this number to its limit.

Thank you for writing. I do that since it is "interpreted" better in Resolve. I can do a test a show you. But in Resolve that range above 15000 is only visible from highlight recovery.
I read thru this thread a pair of years ago and found about it. Its post 100 on page 5, first post on this thread that describes it. The image comes in a little bit brighter
with 16383 instead of 15000 as white level and its very handy to adjust before export dngs from MLVapp.

Thanks for your comment.

Heres the Resolve MLV thread: https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=15801.100

As I tweaked my color settings last month I took my camera with me to the garden and forest where i live in Sweden.
To have some shots to grade. There is some stuff to set up in Resolve but now when I've learned it is fast to grade and cut with it.
I think the quality turnsout good on Youtube and that UHD upscale gets better quality on Youtube compression then 1080p footage does.
I grade inside a Arri Alexa transform node since I think thats the best log profile out there with smooth color transitions.

I just wanted to share this video since I read on magiclantern monthly. And I don't have any plans to upgrade my camera.
But I can say that I've learned so much about raw processing furing the years having a Canon ML RAW camera.
More that I should have learned if I bought a BlackMagic Cinema Camera with a conceived color workflow.
From now on I won't change a thing with the workflow. Maybe I will put sometime and learn more colortone combinations in grading
but I'am happy how the orange teal looks.

I use the good program MLVapp to go from MLV to CinemaDNG where I also adjust the white level on export from 15000 to 16bit max 16383.

Everything else i do in Resolve 16 Studio with only one end export when all cutting and grading is done. I think Resolve does a good joob
on upscaling and reduce the colornoise, the luma noise I let it be as it it since Youtube compression takes care of that mostly and it saves me time.

Really good job.

Why didn't you enable highlights reconstruction to avoid pink artifacts?

I wouldnt call that artifact. The highlights is towards pink in the shot but its not artifacts. I think it looks good!

Beautiful story! Great image!

The way I see it aces is a high end color gamut that is becoming standard for many high end movie corporations. So after white balance and exposure is corrected aces is in other words to be treated as any other colorspace conversion, only a much wider gamut? So no magic here really, and without proper monitors better just stick with srgb/rec709  .

I think the hole point with ACES is to match color from different cameras without much effort. Its not about a wider gamut. A wide gamut means nothing if there isnt a good workflow with colors. I dont use ACES with ML tho. I as always finding my way on how and the best way to interpret footage. And I cant say yet I found a solution with ML RAW footage, but i will evolve working with it.

Hi Andy!

A good read. Thank you for your answer in thread. ANd also to you Benderarsch for making the thread.

I think this is a very interesting topic about IDTs.

I've learned a lot about raw files. But I still change workflow for ML raw now and then. And isnt done yet.

Color looks really good!

If you like can you explain more about this IDT, I have Cinelog myself but didnt know there was a IDT for different cameras. When i Try the .dcp file in AE it looks very flat. Do the IDT converts to cinelog?

Grading looks great! Good midtones and highlights in skintones in the desert scene. Not to flat and a good contrast. Can you tell us something about the grading?

Now I see! Yes a soft lens but it does the image good, and maybe better the moire issue which is good.  Only saw moire almost one time at 5:58. Well captured scenes from beautiful place!

Do you use MLVApp or Resolve or something else for cutting and grading?

Really like to color grading! Very cool that EOS M can create this. I think this is one of the better movies I've seen from EOS M i terms of antialiasing and moire patterns. Shure its a bit soft but nothing that matter much. Great colors!

I will also say that Iam not 100% happy with the image quality in terms of compression and noise that get on to the final video. When I solved that and are more happy with the result if I solve it I will make a short tutorial on my workflow. Iam writing important steps up in a notebook to easily manage creating a tutorial after that.

For now even the ISO 100 shots have noise in them, which I dont like. In the tunnel in the beginning there is some banding from noise and noise reduction, but those are shot at ISO 6400.