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Do you mean you can't stop the recording by pressing the record button?
And you can't open the files? Is that something to do with the size of the files?

Good to know about fast SD cards (did say "might") - I wasn't sure if this was the difference between 60Ds or cards.
The fastest i've got runs @ 45MB/s & yes, it did produce much more frames than a normal Transcend class 10.

Just tried the following:
Transcend 16gb Class10

1208x423  3:1 @ 23.976 = 2147 frames
1280x423  3:1 @ 25 = 1553

I've got a feeling the Sandisk SD cards are better & their write speeds haven't much to do with it.
If i do the same test with my 45MB/s Sandisk, I bet i'll get the same results as yours.

So could it be that the 'SD Interfaces' are the differences between some 60D models?
Or is it the type of card you use - might be worth if people post which cards work best?

I can stop recording manually before ML/60D crashes at writing frame 1457!
All the file sizes are about 1.2x GB, so not very big.
But larger resolutions like 1280 and higher do 'automagically' stop and the RAW's can be processed.

I don't think the difference is the SD-interface. Canon aimed at H.264( probably High level 4, they never tell you  !) which needs max. 20MB/s troughput.
Why give the 60D a faster, more expansive SD-interface than needed!

Of course I would like to know what the real differences are. Mine 60D was bought november 2011 and should be fast, but is not!
Maybe different electronic hardware like an updated Digic 4 processor gives other 60D's a better performance?

.........
1. There are 2 different types of 60D, so some will get more frames than others (no one knows why or has investigated further).
2. The max write speed to SD cards is 21MB/s - so getting an expensive fast SD card might be a waste of money (45MB/s cards have produced the best results for me so far).
..........

Due to the fact that there two types of 60D's, I'm unable to make an 'automagically' end of a 960xwhatever recording.
Worse, the RAW's can't be processed either!
To be exact, the 60D's build in SD-interface delimits the write speed, not the card. And with 1280x432px (3:1) I'm getting twice as much frames with 95MB/s in contrast to 45MB/s!

All tests @25FPS.
SD-card: Lexar 16GB 60MB/s
1280 x 432 px  3:1         1188 frames

SD-card: SanDisk 32GB 95MB/s
1280 x 432 px  3:1       2317 - 2118 - 2283 - 2079 - 2215 frames

Furthermore in case of a faster card your RAW Gigs will copy faster to your computer!

wow! can you made another version for windows??

If Microsoft did have a build-in OS program like AppleScript/Automator I could! 

I did process the raw files to get a dng sequence. Now when I try to bring that sequence into AE I get that error.

Try opening a DNG in PhotoShop. Your RAW file is possibly corrupted if the DNG converter can't open it!

I was tired of opening the SD card on my Mac, copying the ML RAW files to my Desktop, drop them on raw2dng en delete the old RAW files on my Desktop.
I'm not a software programmer but made this possible with Apple's Automator.

1. Insert the SD-card
2. Start the Automator "ML RAW 2 DNG v0.01" task and the program will find the RAW files on your SD-card!
3. Wait till the RAW files are copied to a folder on your desktop named "ML RAW - {year}{month}{day}" and processed by raw2dng.
4. Press "Yes" to delete or "No" to keep the RAW files in the "ML RAW - {year}{month}{day}" folder.

Have fun!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6VUdellP9ybQXE3WkdCWngyYUU/edit?usp=sharing

I've just uploaded a new build of ML for 60D with raw_rec, file manager and picture viewer. We can now view DNG and RAW files.

Play back of RAW video is black and white?

Shooting 960 x 544 @ 25 FPS, S3
Global draw: OFF
Camera/ML crashes at 1457 frames while buffer only shows <***....>
Crashed 960 RAW's can't be opened/processed.

So I did some (SD-card) testing with higher resolution.

All tests @25FPS.

SD-card: Lexar 16GB 60MB/s
1280 x 720 px 16:9       275 frames
1280 x 704 px 1.85:1    295 frames
1280 x 640 px  2:1      346 frames
1280 x 592 px  2.20:1   420 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.35:1   524 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.39:1   524 frames
1280 x 512 px  2.50:1   630 frames
1280 x 488 px  2.67:1   734 frames
1280 x 432 px  3:1         1188 frames

1728 x 922 px 16:9         108 frames

SD-card: SanDisk 32GB 95MB/s
1280 x 720 px 16:9        315 frames
1280 x 704 px 1.85:1     335 frames
1280 x 640 px  2:1       486 frames
1280 x 592 px  2.20:1    516 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.35:1    659 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.39:1    659 frames
1280 x 512 px  2.50:1    791 frames
1280 x 488 px  2.67:1    1078 frames
1280 x 432 px  3:1       2317 - 2118 - 2283 - 2079 - 2215 frames

1728 x 922 px 16:9           108 frames

The difference between 1280x432px 3:1 on the two SD-cards is remarkeble!
At that resolution the Lexar gives all the time the same results, however the SanDisk grabs twice as much frames!

If you look at the filesize of marekk's autoexec.bin it is a lot smaller than the stable ML version 2.3
He just left out a lot of options in autoexec.bin to make it work on the 60D and added the modules.

You can still use the autoexec.bin and modules from:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgWjdRQ2EwM1VnQlk/edit?usp=sharing

Probably you didn't get my question right. .............
What I'm asking is if it would be possible to use the full sensor size and get a 1280x720 RAW from it, instead of cropping it. I know that this would introduce moire and aliasing, but the way it is now when i shoot with 17mm lens it looks like it's being 25mm or smthn.

Nope, all resolutions are cropped:  http://youtu.be/vpI1kPRDqMg

Canon 60D, made in 2011
Card: Sandisk Extreme Pro SDHC I 95MB/s
ML 2.3 stable plus any latest nightly build (4-6-2013 today) plus 60D_raw_rec_31052013

960 x 544 @ 25 FPS, S3
Global draw: OFF
Alloc: 31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+23M
Camera/ML crashes at 1457 frames while buffer only shows <***....>

The RAW file can't be processed after a crash, but can be processed when I manually stop the recording before frame 1400 or so has been reached.

With a videocamera I recorded several times the 60D screen so was able to see that when frame 1457 was written, ML/60D crashes without any error number.

Anyone any idea(s)?

Note: getting the same 'results' with Lexar Professional 400x speed 16GB 60MB/s

Also - can anybody say if it would be possible to use the whole sensor and shoot in 720p without cropping the picture? The way that the normal movie mode does?

ML RAW captures LiveView straight from the sensor, bypassing any hardware/software. That gives you 1728 x 972 pixels on the 60D and of course no Picture Profile!

Just did some quick 60D testing around the office. Importing the footage now so I'll show the tests. Was able to record about 300 frames at a time on a 32gb 30mbs Sandisk. Is anyone having any luck with higher sizes on the 45mbs or 90mbs? They are having a sale today so I'll pick up a higher speed if it means longer record times.

You forgot to mention the resolution you used!

Also, there are different versions of the 60D & by that i mean the older ones made circa 2011 behave differently to the newer versions - no one knows why or what has changed in the manufacture of the 60D.
I use a 60D from 2011 & seem to get more Frames.

Weird, I did buy my 60D also in november 2011!

This question is for any developers that might read this:

Is it possible to get some different ratios, as the jump from (16:9) 960x544 to 1280x720 is huge!
With 960x544 i'm getting a steady 7680 frames or 5mins recording (1280x720 is only 350frames/15secs), so a bit bigger ratio might mean better quality & actuality reaching minutes of recording (1,2,3,4...) instead of seconds.

Also, the Mb/s shown whilst recording is all at a steady 19.6, even for 960x544 & for this it used to be 20.1Mb/s -so what's happened here?

If I try 960 x 544 @ 24 FPS or @24FPS the maximum frame count is just over 1400.
Using a Sandisk Extreme Pro SD card (32GB/95MB/s).

Do you use special settings/tweaks?

Nightly build 2-6-2013 plus update #6 -without LV_AF_RAW:

960 x 480 @25FPS

Does work as long as I stop recording manually.
If the buffer overruns at 14xx frames the RAW's cannot be processed.

I was just saying that comparing 14-bit RAW with 8-bit RGB is like comparing apples and oranges.

It's more like different tastes between apples.
8-bit RGB means that each pixel has a bit-depth of 8 bits , giving a range from 0-255 for each channel,
and a total RGB color depth of 16777216.
14-bit RAW obviously has a wider color gamut and image and metadata are seperated.

ML can only produce 14-bit raw. This is the same on all cameras that ML supports, this is also the format of all EOS sensors.

14-bit RAW means 14 bits/px with bayer pattern.
8-bit in Photoshop means 24 bits/px RGB. (Also called R'G'B' 4:4:4 in the video universe) Lean what it means

In the video world there are 8-(amateur), 10- and 12-bits (both pro) formats. And the bits are for each color (RGB or YUV).
And videocamera's/codecs have different subsampling: 4:1:1, 4:2:0, 4:2:1, 4:2:2 and 4:4:4!

Latest nightly build 31-5-2013 and update #6 doesn't work for me!
Tried several resolutions @25FPS but all RAW's won't open/convert.

raw2dng converter GUI for OsX
Beta ver.0.5
Error: API version mismatch: -502731648

ls: *.dng: No such file or directory
Nothing converted


Edit: did start all over again, same result!


raw2dng converter GUI for OsX
Beta ver.0.10
/Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100CANON/M31-2311.RAW File Supported
Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

I've just uploaded ML for 60D with raw_rec and file_man It works

@ marekk   And where did you hide it?   

I don't think it's grainier really, I think you can just see the noise. H.264 just looks like it smudges the noise out and takes all the detail and colours with it

H.264 uses a deblocking filter, not a noise filter.
http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/techreview/trev_293-schaefer.pdf
Page 7.

Thanks !!!

@marekk
Are these already in the nightly builds or do you have to compile a new version of 60D_RAW?

@Kotik - If you're doing stop-motion animation why not just use the camera for photos and get 5k frame sizes?

Stop motion animation is not my first goal with the 60D. It's mainly use is shooting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=upl7ZL6v85c

All shots were taken with the 60D execpt the close-ups of the talking people are shot with a Sony EX-3.
So I'm still interested in ML RAW on a 60D but realize the 5D MIII is the way to go for me!

Wasn't awake yet!   

Thanks marekk for making this clear.

It is possible to get the full 18 Megapixels in RAW for timelaps and stop motion animation, bypassing Live View?

Considering all work that's done it is amazing how far we came with the Canon 60D and ML RAW video.

But to be honest, I don't think Full 14bits RAW HD video is possible with the 60D.
So it will be fantastic for doing timelapse or stop motion animation.
For instance in combination with Dragonframe it would be fabulous!
But the only thing missing for timelapse and stop motion animation is a bigger resolution.
Why is 1728x972px the maximum? 2560 would already be nice to be able to do some panning in post!

Or buy a Canon 50D :-)