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[RPP (Raw Photo Processor)]

I started off using Adobe DNG Converter, but it precesses the files for you - they don't come out as a flat Raw-like files & they get smaller in size.
Have since moved to using RPP (Raw Photo Processor) & it has everything you need to convert them to many different flavours of TIFF or JPEG in a batch. You also get all the options to alter DNGs: Hot Pixel remover, WB, RGB&Luma, Exposure, Sharpness, 4 preset curves (Film-like, L, Gamma & Colorimetric Gamma), some really nice Film emulation presets & lots more.

If you want a proper free editing program (cause you don't have PS etc...), then some people have recommended using: Darktable & Raw Therapee

Some frames rates (30/5/2013 build) @23.976:

Sandisk Extreme Pro 8GB SDHC [1] 45MB/s
16x9 - 960x544 = 7222
1.85 - 960x544 = 7330

Transcend 16GB SDHC Class 10
16x9 - 960x544 = 4118
1.85 - 960x544 = 4118

31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+23M
Sandisk - 21.5/6 Mb/s
Transcend - 19.5 Mb/s

So quite a difference depending on which card you use!
& I don't always get the same frame amounts each time on the Sandisk.
I'm using this resolution as i'm quite liking how it upscales & you can actually film something - only downside is that you have to keep @ around 100iso (a little sensor noise is fine, too much becomes...well, too much).

I've also found that once i've converted DNGs to TIFF & make a .Mov file QT7 gives perfect playback, but MPEGStreamclip slows everything down to just under 3/4speed (QT7: 2.26, MPEG: 3.54) - might be good for slow-mo stuff?

@marekk.
Still getting dropped resolution from my 60D.
So the following happens once i unwrap the Raw file with RAW2DNG:
2.35:1
1720x732 = 1704x716

However, now i'm using RPP to process the DNGs & once converted to TIFFs they change size again to 1714x726.
So, not really a problem anymore as its only a fraction off now.

Would highly recommend RPP if you're on a Mac & don't have PS, LR or AE.
Or, if you don't like how ACR handles Raw!
RPP has all the settings you need apart from a Denoiser & it also has some pretty nice Film Stock emulating presets!

For stills, I've really enjoyed using Darktable for processing raw photos http://www.darktable.org/ openSource which is a definite win in my book.

Darktable looks really good - thanks for that Murhpy!

Easiest workflow I have seen is take them into photoshop, use the ACR, then export as tiffs and process through quicktime pro as an image sequence. But that does require Photoshop and Quicktime Pro, no AE, LR or Premiere though.

Yeah, as i said in the title its if you've got no Photoshop etc... Also, some photographers don't like the way ACR handles Raw & so that's why RPP was suggested to me - i use FCPX

["RPP (Raw Photo Processor)"]

I've been struggling with processing the DNG files since i don't have an Adobe product like Photoshop etc...
At first i was using Adobe's free DNG Converter, but it wasn't great - well pretty awful actually!
Then a photographer friend suggested using "RPP (Raw Photo Processor)" as he's been using it as a first step before moving his files to PS.

It makes them into TIFFs or JPEGs & there are loads of different flavours of each.
It has all the things you need, but the only thing missing is a de-noiser - but you could do that with something else.
And no sliders! (but i always hated those).
It also has some great pre-sets for Kodak film emulation etc.
And it does Batch exports.

Really impressed by this program.
Also, if you donate, you can get the source code to mess about with!

Here's a small taste of the Film Stock presets within RPP:
https://vimeo.com/67223392

Think they look pretty good & that's all i used within RPP, whilst in FCPX i just reduced Global Exposure by -5.

The second, but all is fine now - for the moment.

I came back from downloading the files off the SD card, put it back in & nothing.
I changed the battery & nothing.
I changed the SD card with a stable version of ML & it went back to normal.
Put the RAW record card back in & no problems so far.

[WARNING!]

Can't unpack the 1734x1156 frames - but this wasn't a surprise as in the ML RAW menu it actually stated that it was @1880x?

WARNING!
My camera just bricked!
Luckily, i had another card with a stable version of ML on it & that brought it back to life.

Make sure that you have a spare card with a stable version of ML on it just in case!

I'm using a Sandisk Extreme Pro 8GB SDHC 1 45MB/s (the new ones are 95MB/s i think).

I'll also try with some of my Transcend 16GB SDHC class 10 cards to see if there's a difference.

So this is what i'm getting - i kept everything the same from last night.
Recorded @ 1080p using 3:2 (for Anamorphic testing):

1734x1156=95(94) frames
1720x1146=95(94)
1600x1066=113(112)
1440x960=160
1320x880=212
1280x854=226
960x640=1140
720x480=It kept going & i stopped recording @2741.

For each recording it said that it dropped/skipped 1 Frame.

Everything unpacked nicely last night, so don't see any problems for today.
Will post footage later.

The most i've got is
1230 frames @ 944x624
710 frames @ 944x704

Do we just need to replace the Autoexec.bin file.

Thanks again for doing this Marekk

[SOME HELP FOR BEGINNERS]

SOME HELP FOR BEGINNERS

INSTALLING ML RAW

READ THIS THREAD: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

or,

You've got ML already on your camera/SD card - good.
Now all you need to do is download the nightly build & then copy what you find onto your SD card (you'll be replacing old ML stuff, but don't worry).
Put your SD back into your camera & you should now find a Modules section in ML menu.
Turn on/activate what you want from that menu (the RAW_Rec or RAW_MLV modules are there & other goodies) & then restart your camera.
Go to video section in ML menu & turn on RAW rec.

Just a little note, the 60D is serverely hampered & will not do continuous RAW recording - faster cards will not help, its the card slot (21mbs max).
In the Canon Menu turn the picture quality to S3 (JPEG) only - you'll be able to record for longer.
When recording turn Global Draw off - again helps recording.
I use 1280x... crop modes - they upscale nicely to HD & give adequate recording times.
Also, the wider the aspect ratio setting the longer the recording time.

NOISE & ETTR:
Ok, so the noise issue is because you aren't following the ETTR rule - more light=better detail & less noise.
Here's a video i made to demonstrate exactly why you should be following ETTR:
Use the Raw Zebras & a good reading should be about -0.4ev (you're nearly or just a bit overexposing).
I tend to use a higher ISO (400/800) & an ND filter, but if you make sure that you're exposing [enough] to the right (ETTR) & have good light then most ISOs should be fine.
Just remember that this is RAW & you'll have to do post work - you can recover everything!
Read This: http://schewephoto.com/ETTR/

BAD/HOT PIXELS:
Here's a link to Marrek's build that gets rid of the bad pixels (you need to turn on LV_AF_Raw in the Raw Video menu).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jiq5wuzwp6igyi/ml60d_01_09_2013.zip

Here's a link to an earlier version (can't remember which one works best - think the one above has Dual ISO as well & some other stuff):
Obsolete link removed - Please use the official nightly builds //Audionut

It works & is the only workaround for the 60D ATM.

Don't be afraid to use the lesser crop modes - I find 1280x... upscales really nicely & you get longer recording times!
Also, remember to change the Picture Quality in the Canon Menu from SRAW to S2 (jpeg) - you'll get longer recording times.
Turn Global Draw off when recording.

And finally, if you want really high res bursts (i.e. higher than 1728x...) you can achieve this by doing the following:
Press x5 zoom button (remember to turn off Global raw first & set Frames Per Second Override!)
Press ML Menu button
Goto Raw Video Menu & you'll notice that you can go further on the Resolution scale (max 2512x...., but i use 2240x.... to be safe).
Exit ML Menu
DO NOT EXIT x5 zoom mode
Press record & you should be able to get about 73frames.

Its not perfect, but once you find a higher resolution that works well it can add to your videos.

Good Luck! 

If you can point me to the appropriate download link for the best build to use I would be happy to try it out on my camera and let you know how my frame rate compares to you.

Download & install the 2.3 release, from here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/download

And once installed properly, overwrite it with the files found in the latest NB, from here:
http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/

Its Silent Pics/Burst mode that you want to use.
Try a Timelapse with SP/Single mode & Intervalometer - awesome!

If you don't have any fancy editing program (pic or video) you can use Adobe DNG Converter (free download).

[1080p or M photo mode:]

Bioskop: I am new to this world and very very excited about quality of raw you are getting on your 60D. (I also bought mine in 2011). Am i reading this right?: You are getting 1882x1182 for almost 3 seconds in Raw? If so this means you are getting slightly greater than 1080p resolution on a 60D That's amazing! (1882x1182 = 2.2245 mp per frame. --- 1920 x 1080 = 2.0736mp per frame) I'd rather have something closer to 1080p raw and for a few seconds than continues SD resolution raw. This is very exciting.

No, sorry. I was only getting those resolutions with black bars (1888x1882 is the original frame size before they cropped it), which Marekk enabled in an autoexec.bin to see what my camera was doing - other 60D users are getting less frames but they are slightly larger @ 1734x1156.

I'm getting the following:

1080p or M photo mode:
1730x1152 @ 69 frames
2516x1076 @ 52 frames (in x5 crop zoom mode)

720p
1730x690 @ 112 frames (NB. the image is squashed so you just change 690 to 1152)
2516x1076 @ 52 frames

Not sure if the 720p frames are as good quality though, but much better than H264 - there is some noise/grain to image.

A good tip is to turn off RAW pic selection in photo mode (Canon Menu) & just set it to jpeg only (size doesn't seem to matter) - you get more frames this way.

Let us know if you get the same frames as me, since your camera is the same year.

Yeah, did that already.
If you want me to test anything else, just let me know.

I suppose you've no answer to why my 60D is getting more frames or reducing frame size?

It was only for a test to check the original frame size ... You should to get 1734 x 1156 because we cut 26 pixels from top, 152 from left side, and 2 pixels from right side. I don't know why it saves 1730x1152 on your 60D. (original frame is 1888x1882)

Yeah its strange!
Makes me think that maybe the 2011 models are different somehow?
It definitely seems to be doing something in-camera & this seems to be allowing me to get more frames.

Also, the black borders is a new thing, but i've heard others talk about it - is this normal?

Could you try with this autoexec.bin ?
It's a fresh compiled source without cropping blacks in 60D. Could you upload single DNG image ?

So i had already installed last nights NB & was still getting same results as before.
Then i uploaded your autoexec.bin & this is what it said on screen:
1080p = 1888x1182, 69 frames (93%)
720p = 1188x720, 112 frames (92%)

However, there are now black borders & the actual sizes are different (i noticed that was happening when i tested out last night NB). So for some reason, the camera is saying it is taking one size, but when they get downloaded they are changing size - weird!

Here are the copies of both 1080p & 720p frames (originals & those converted with Adobes DNG Converter)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90827273/DNG%20Frames.zip

Wow, so they must have changed something in the 60D during the course of a year, but what?

As stated i lost a couple of frames with yesterday's NB.
In 720p i'm getting 112 frames.

Could the increased frames i'm getting be something to do with the crop of 1730x1152? Seems highly unlikely that 4 pixels would increase the frame rate though.
It can't be anything to do with the SD cards, as i'm getting the same with a Transcend 16gb class10.

Bioskop.Inc.. I don't know why but you can capture 25 frames more than my 60D.. also I've got different resolution on 1080p - 1730x1152 vs 1734 x1156
sd cart type doesn't matter because in burst mode at the beginning memory is filled with raw frames, then ml reads memory and saves each frame to dng file and burst process stops.
each raw lv frame is stored in memory with original structure (also with cropped blacks) ... we should to rewrite buffer allocation code for burst mechanism and copy only final piece of raw data from RAW_LV_EDMAC to memory buffers but in shoot.c we can find this info:

Yes its strange that i'm getting more frames than you & slightly different sizes.
Do you have the same frame squashing as me in 720p?

Do you think that they changed something in the 60D over time?
It wouldn't surprise me if they replaced/updated certain parts along the way to make it more cost affective (its what big companies do when they sell a lot of units) - i bought mine back in 2011.

I suppose you didn't have any luck with getting raw_record module to work?

On the plus side, someone seems to be working on compressing the raw files - so there might be hope just around the corner.

I've also just noticed that the 720p frames have actually been squeezed & when unsqueezed produce the same image as those frames taken in 1080p.
so,

1080p=1730x1152
720p=1730x690 - but if you change to 1730x1152 the frames become identical (more noise).

Also if you change it to 1042x690, the noise is the same as when you change to 1730x1152.

So with last night's NB (2013-5-22), i've lost 2 frames recording capability:
71-69
115-112

Not a big deal, but thought i'd mention it.

& still a few torn frames(sometimes pink), but mostly occur at the beginning of a burst sequence.

I'm trying to add raw_rec module for testing but my 60D is not loading ML when modules and tcc are enabled in Makefile.

Thanks for doing all of this, its really quite amazing.
Can you make available to download your version with the Makefile enabled (& where's the raw_record module?).
I think the 550 people are having trouble with this as well.

cheers

http://vimeo.com/66664702

A compilation of Anamorphic clips - raw burst of 71 frames.
Still seems to be a bit of a magenta tint to some pics.
& sometimes get Pink Teared frames (not always, but every now & then).

Thanks ML for all the hard work!
Will wait to see if anyone enables the 60D to shoot raw video.

I'd like to suggest to add the short movie "The shot"  from Bioskop.Inc to ML Cinema, if Bioskop.Inc don't mind.
Really great. I like the photography, the acting and editing very much.

Thanks for the praise Wolf - its one that just slipped by unnoticed.

Question: I've noticed that adding the stubs for Raw_Rec module has got some people excited on other cameras - what does this mean exactly?

71 frames? that's 3 seconds of video, already usable for some clips!

Yep, this is really amazing!
Got really excited by the 115, but the moire is horrible!

So does this mean that the 60D will be able to do continuous raw video at a reduced size?

ok, silent burst enabled.. pull request created, fresh autoexec.bin on page #1
.. but it saves only 47 images.. (I've got Sandisk Ultra 30MB/s 64GB)

Thanks for the Burst mode - really great!
On my Sandisk Extreme Pro 45MB/s 8gb, i got the following (in Movie mode):

1080 24p
71
53 (x5 crop)

720 50p
115
53 (x5 crop)