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oh wow, that's a fantastic addition chmee!
i did a quick test myself. color balance looks spot on.
that's one less step on resolve for color balancing!
awesome job, bro! 

So i need to download lut buddy in order to use this lut?

you can use resolve.
you can also use after effects by itself as well.

I agree with you Vikado, about grading in Premiere . But I have heard the noise reduction and initial color correction is more accurate in ACR for 5D raw files. SO I am hoping to somehow incorporate ACR for white balance and highlight recovery and noise reduction and then color grade in Resolve. Don't know ifs possible though.

i absolutely agree with you too.
it kills me that i can't use ACR when working with resolve.
ACR is much faster workflow when white balancing.
although, i wouldn't use ACR to denoise, its too aggressive, imo.
neatvideo does a better job of chroma denoising from what i've seen.

someone mentioned this workflow.
RAW>>dng sequence>resolve>export proxies>import proxies to premiere>>dynamic link to After effects (or open premiere file into AE)>>relink dng sequence>ACR inside after effects>export XML>>import XML to Resolve>>>grade>final render.

im going to see if this idiotic workflow will work.
if it does, im going to smile and cry at the same time.

unless you've got a beast pc, i highly wouldn't recommend grading in premiere, especially if its for a shorts or longer.
playback with many effect levels will hinder realtime playback.
so i would not recommend #3.

edit:
i've never found any green fringing inside resolve. i've been using raw2cdng.exe

Just read it somewhere here that the option to record higher has been disabled.
Could simply be my mistake.
Crosses fingers

Tested with the newest build with card spanning (simultaneously writing to both CF and SD). Its with 3x zoom so i believe 1:1. And it is not 16:9 but 2,39:1 for now.

i read somewhere shooting above 2k is possible without zooming in.
wonder if this is true.

sensor wont be a problem if you get a metabones speed booster.
the nikon to m4/3 speedbooster is already out,
and the the ef to m/43 is suspposedly coming out this month.
crop factor becomes closer to an asp-c.
plus you get added benefit of gaining 1-stop of exposure.

just thinking of getting a bmcc for $2k, im biting my lip at the thought,
but if i do get a BMD camera, i think i'll wait what the 4k can accomplish.
for now, im sticking to the mark 3.

also, for $2k, you get the camera and Resolve.
that alone is a steal.

on 5D3 you can have now continous 2,5K (2,39:1)

oh really?
cropped? or 1:1?

(2013/07/11 bild)
Resolution 1880 x 800.
24 fps
I used Raw2dng, and later Lightroom to edit the dng files (in some cases) and convert them into jpgs, I tried to use Davinci Resolve but couldn't import the files. How can you do it?

You can see some problems (01:53 in crop mode and 03:12 ).

SORRY IT IS VERY LONG

http://vimeo.com/71461674

Download the recent update for resolve and/or use raw2cdng.exe and choose 12bit or 16bit.

Let's kill that incorrect information right away......

YES, you can import raw files into Premiere if you want to and have the hardware to handle the rendering.

The way to do it is downloading the Ginger HDR plugin for both Premiere and After Effects and then simply import the .raw files into Premiere or AE just like  you would any other files.

This is the ONLY way I've done it so far... I really couldn't be arsed to first extract DNGs then do this and do that and then return to this to edit those.

If a straight line works, I don't see any issue sticking to it.

Also, there was another tip from another user; copy the Ginger plugin to the Media Encoder file folders, the you can use Media Encoder to render out ProRes files etc. (Only issue here is that you can handle the white point.... but hey, if you are a photographer you set your color temp before you start shooting... right.........)

i never said it wasn't possible. and what i said was not incorrect.
i was giving him the option of using a plugin that is free and without the need to upgrade his computer drastically to playback RAW in real time. Not to mention the added effect of colorgrading and other effects that will substantially brutalize your cpu/ram for playback.
i actually did a test where i replaced my raw footage with an old premiere file where i edited a short film.
the original files were 10bit cineform codec and it played in realtime just fine with 5 layers of effects added to the clips (it was a 15min short). i applied those same effects to raw footage, and how it turned out was a total joke, i couldn't playback in real time, not even 1/8 res.

so my suggested option is free and is very common workflow in post production, your suggestions costs hundreds of dollars just  to playback raw in real time.

I really couldn't be arsed to first extract DNGs then do this and do that and then return to this to edit those.

you really should try it out. the workflow isn't as time consuming as you thought to be. and at least you'll appreciate why this workflow is awesome for any level production.

I've got ML to work on my 5DMIII. Premiere does not allow me to import such RAW files. Do I need to convert such RAW files to some other format or is there a plugin for Premiere?

you dont import the actual .raw file into premiere, you'll need the adobe dng importer for CS5.5, but it works for cs6 and CC.
even when you do import your DNG sequence (folder) intor premiere, the realtime playback is a joke.
ironically, it plays back perfectly in Resolve.

In other words, you dont use premiere to import DNG folders or raw files, you'll want to use proxies files of those same DNg folders.
there are several routes to accomplish this.

You have to doit manually.
There is no a kelvin color ballance.
Use the rgb parrade and waveform monitor to know what is your video color dominance and try to add or substract the color using color wheel

wow, as great as Resolve is, they sure cocked up a couple of key features found in other color grading software.

Yes :-)
Click

With raw video, the HDMI out of 5D2 does not drop to SD resolution and stay in HD.
You do not have to turn on hdmi-vga option in ML menu.

However, the white rectangular framing guide is skewed and offset to the left, some find this distracting, so turn it off by choosing in raw video menu>preview>ml grayscale.

The hdmi out is still in color but the offset frame guide is removed. For framing I used the old fashioned way of placing a transparent acetate over screen with different crop lines, if your monitor support crop guides that may help.
You can use tape to mask your crop.

Also, DO NOT preview raw video with hdmi monitor attached as it will freeze your cam, you have to take out battery and back to reboot.

nice. thank you very much gents.
we're planning on doing a feature on a 5d2 or possibly a 5d3.
are there any other pitfalls i should be weary about during production?
me thinks the latest build is good enough for a pro shoot.

anyone use a field monitor on the 5d2 yet?

white balance question:

under color panel, master settings, does switching "decoding using" from "project" to "clip" and changing the color space to "BMD" properly white balance the footage?

i know about the auto color tool, but it doesn't seem to white balance it properly.
am i doing something wrong?

Cool with a sci-fi movie. But sure you will work with proxies and render the dng,s in the final export? Shouldn,t be a problem I think

thanks! i definitely will use proxies.
i've done shorts before, but i've never done a feature and i've never used resolve for a feature, so i'm a bit anxious about the process.
hopefully i wont have to upgrade my pc as much as i think i should.

I have not tested resolve's compatibility with compressed DNGs yet. But should not be hard to find out.
Optically it should not make a difference. Same goes for 12bit cinema DNG.
Let us know if you test it!


sounds like an interesting venture. Where are you based?

i will definitely be testing the difference in heavy grading in resolve.
as for myself, i reside in Orange county, CA.
the shooting locations will be around the LA area.
its a sci-fi feature.
my only real concern is real time playback for a 90min feature and archiving when the movie is done.

so were planning to shoot a 90min feature sometime this october.
is there a huge difference in real-time playback and color grading in comparison between normal, lossy, and lossless? or even cinemaDNG?
i'll be using resolve/premiere roundtrip method.

["Yes, the lite version can't do noise reduction but here's a workaround that works similarly. Instead of using the NR, go to the Blur/Sharpen page, and blur the chroma channel. It effectively does that same thing."]

chroma denoiser is that not available in the lite version?
Would Magic Bullet's Denoiser II work as well as Neatvideo?

@mageye - http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6963.msg59455#msg59455

Anyone know the work around for using noise reduction in Resolve?

here's the tutorial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=degEMVPLPdU

chroma denoiser isn't available on the lite version, but the author mentioned this in one of the replies

"Yes, the lite version can't do noise reduction but here's a workaround that works similarly. Instead of using the NR, go to the Blur/Sharpen page, and blur the chroma channel. It effectively does that same thing."

so give it a shot and report back.

also, don't bother with Magic Bullet denoiser, its rubbish. it smears everything.
here's an example of MB denoiser vs Neatvideo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wznIlC8hUh0

U wouldnt bother denoising with acr. Its way too agressive.
Neatvideo does a phenomenal job.
Theres also the chroma denoiser technique in resolve which gives a more traditional grain like look

It depends on your needs, but any footage that is valuable to you is more valuable in its original form. I got an answer to a related question here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6731.msg56002#msg56002

I can't speak to Cineform, but Resolve round tripping is working great for me. I was very comfy with AE / PP / SG before RAW, but found the Adobe workflow to be sluggish and counterproductive in that I was faced with grading decisions / opportunities before I'd cut a single shot and if I really need ACR, I can always introduce that after I have gotten a feel for the edit (quickly) using Resolve proxies. I also like the limitations of the higher ratios and the way they foster discipline. If I know I will only need a certain length shot, I select a ratio that can just about give me that knowing I will crop to a lower ratio anyway, whilst having room to later reframe. Liked your vid, btw.

Can you explain how youre using acr in your workflow with resolve?
My current wworkflow is raw>>>raw2cdng>>>resolve>>>premiere cc (via proxies)>>>and back to resolve for final grading and render.
I'd just like to introduce acr before cutting

Hey guys, forgive me if this is the wrong place to post this, but I really am not sure where I would go to inquire about this subject. I cant seem to process any of my raw files over 4 gigs. Any help on this matter, or directing me on where I'd find the answer to this issue would be awesome. Thanks so much, this community is amazing!

Try raw2cdng
Works flawlessly for me.

I'm waiting everyday for new updates!
The last one performed superbly, 1880x800p25 continuous with Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s CF.
GR8T WORK guys!!

Does anyone know how to create that "RED" camera look with this 5DmkII RAW files? I tried so many times to achieve the 'smooth gradation Dynamic Range, bronze-y skin tones' to no pleasing result.. Must be me, lacking on the coloring technique

The dynamic range should be on par with RED doesn't it, is there other factor that makes it looks special such as resolution, etc?
I believe this camera could cure zombies!

Use resolve.
And start with redlog film or bmd film.
Properly white balance as well as the rgb parades. Once color correction is done, now the grading begins.Adjust contrast using the waveform monitor.
Use nodes to single out all skin and adjust grading separately.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26702029/cinemadng_p4_cs5-5importer_060211.zip

I've tested it with premiere cs6 and a short example sequence from blackmagic cinema camera and works perfect.

Follow this tutorial. You can adjust white-balance, black point, white point ecc. like ACR. 

Hope this helps.

thanks!
just tried this myself.
everything is fine except for realtime playback. it chugs along. resolution at 1880x800 @ 12bit.
the same sequence plays fine on resolve but its having a difficult time in premiere.
i've tried cs5.5 and CC. and its the same.
i have a modest i7 2600k OC at 4.9ghz, 32GB 1600 memory.
i've edited R3D 5k footage before as a 1080p sequence on premiere and my computer has had no issues crunching those files.

i just wanted access to ACR in my workflow for proper balance and noise reduction. :/
plus premiere converts these to 8-bit color space, this wont be acceptable in the silver screen.
bummer.

wait, does premiere convert these files to 8-bit or does it retain the 12-bit color space when i process the raw files in raw2CDNG?

you can use adobe cinema dng importer (for adobe premiere cs 5.5 but it works with cs6 too) for import your cdng sequences in premiere. After you edit your movie, you can import xml and conform your sequence in Resolve then grading and finally render.

where do i download this importer?
so this workflow is RAW>>ACDI>>premiere>>resolve?
there's no use of proxy files?
this seems like an easier way as i dont have to do no goofy roundtripping.

I don't know how you are white balancing in ACR?, but if there is a reliable reference white in the frame then you can use the picker tool at the top.

My white balance is a more involved process. I try to take an image of a dedicated white card/grey card. I am only using one of the cheaper ones, but they seem to be as accurate as I need them to be.

I will usually take a normal shot of the white card (as a photo)in the light conditions that I am in and then use that for the following videos in that light by saving the white balance collected from that image (as a preset).

in ACR, i change "As shot" to "Auto".
it does a fantastic job of white balancing.
unless there's a more "pro" manual route.

Also I try to get a white balance for every single shot but that can just be too time consuming and frankly it's not something you can do for every single shot, every time.

in my last shoot, we used a calibration target in conjunction with the slate for every take in a scene.
the calibration target was used to denoise footage in post. (i used neatvideo to denoise the footage).
obviously using the target for every take would be a pain in the ass, but we soon learned that using the target only on the first set of takes in a new scene was sufficient.
we only used the target in a new scene. not necessarily all takes of the same scene.
hope i explained it clearly.

edit:in new scene, i meant not new camera angle, i mean new physical scene (i.e., outdoors to indoor, or other room)

my workflow is as follow.
RAW>raw2cdng>CDNG sequence>Resolve>premiere>Resolve for final render


anyone know a way to properly white balance in ACR?
the method i saw on Resolve is rubbish.