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ML project does not support SD-to-CF adapters. If you have troubles (and there will be!) you are on your own.
If you go for cheaper CF: Komputerbay 1066x. 128 GB variety is somehow reasonable priced. 256 not. At least around here.
Quote from: Wushuliu on April 24, 2022, 05:42:28 PM
Hm. Ok. So 650D or possibly 5D3.
Hopefully some test footage will be posted soon.
Fascinating developments. Exciting.
Quote from: koopg on April 23, 2022, 09:01:46 PM
no, had 2 hours of great dual [email protected] 14 bit lossless 2:20
beside first frame pink
had nothing but continues stunning raw video.
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Quote from: mlrocks on April 22, 2022, 10:26:54 PM
Interestingly, compared with 10 bit footage, 14 bit 2k 1x1 AR 3-2 24 fps, when shooting with auto/manual ettr, and elevating exposure one stop in MLV App, the output is very nice, similar to alexa/amira's high key footage, the noise in the dark area is not apparent. So, 14 bit is actually better than 10 bit, when using ettr, may gain one to 2 stops dr. For 10 bit shooting, better avoid ettr, because much of the information pushed to the dark side is lost and not saved in raw files.
In this term, 14 bit 4.5k 1x3 with ettr and dual iso may have a dr of 16 stops, 12 stops from the 650d raw file, 1-2 stops from ettr, 2-3 stops from dual iso. This dr is on par with the legendary alexa and amira's dr. 4.5k 1x3 raw also should be on par with the alexa/amira's 2.8k prores. The sensor size in 4.5k 1x3 mode is about 230 mm2, almost the same as 4-3's 224 mm2, although a little bit smaller than alexa/amira's super 35mm, this is good enough for news shooting, which requires large in focus zones. Imagine a lowly 650D/700D is Alexa/Amira or Red One in disguise, this is really something to talk about.
https://www.provideocoalition.com/alexa-dynamic-range-its-all-in-how-you-use-it/
https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/05/27/the-arri-alexa-is-10-years-old/
Quote from: Wushuliu on April 23, 2022, 04:23:35 AM
I've been out of the ML world for a few years but this seems like a tempting development to jump back. What camera would people recommend for highest continuous resolution 16:9 to 2:20 and hdmi monitor out?
Quote from: koopg on April 22, 2022, 10:57:15 PM
Great build
5D3 v1.1.3
3.5k 14bit lossless + dual ISO
aspect ratio 2:20
Dual card with Sandisk x1066
SD over locked
First frame almost always half pink (personally don't care)
I can get continues rec as long there not too much over exposure.
Its a game chager.
Thank you all devs!
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Quote from: mlrocks on April 22, 2022, 09:19:57 AM
No offense, MASC. MLV App is a great software.
I am trying to configure my 650D as a practical news camera, balancing all of the major factors. I think the 12 bit 4.5k 1x3 dual ISO is probably the closest to the ARRI Amira, which is amazing, considering the price tag difference between the two. For short deadline projects, 1920x1280 14 bit 24 p is a good choice. For cinematic feelings, 5.2k 1x3 10 bit is the best, due to its super 35mm sensor size.
Quote from: masc on April 22, 2022, 07:55:12 AM
DualISO processing is very complex and the actual algorithm is single threaded only. Yes - this is slow, but a lot of math.
But I don't think non-dualiso 4.5K is 2.5x..3x slower than 2K 1x1: the amount of pixels is more or less the same. The only difference is a single 3x stretching - but this is way faster than you write. As soon as you rescale 2K to e.g. 4K and 4.5K to 4K both will need more or less the same processing time.
Quote from: theBilalFakhouri on April 21, 2022, 03:38:45 AM
Unfortunately, UHD 1x3 does have flickering issue, all other 1x3 presets have this problem except for 4.5K 1x3 which is weird . .
Yeah, I am wondering how this preset don't introduce flickering, it worth digging into it. Will take a further look in future.
Quote from: theBilalFakhouri on April 21, 2022, 12:23:02 AM
On 650D/700D first you need to select a stable RAW video mode, all presets in crop_rec "Crop mode" are stable (doesn't produce pink frames) with/without Dual ISO, also the normal Canon modes like (1080p, 720p, movie crop mode, x5 mode).
But if you are using arbitrary resolutions with crop_new (Crop mode V2), some settings would have pink/corrupted frames either with or without Dual ISO. crop_new isn't well fine-tuned yet, some settings will work without any problem like my favourite 1736x2214 1x3 @ 23.976 FPS (10-bit lossless), never had a problem with this mode on my 700D, also made a lot of tests with Dual ISO, this RAW video mode is stable.
Reducing FPS or RAW resolution a little in crop_new "Crop mode V2" should help to eliminate on pink/corrupted frames issues with your custom settings (don't push it to the limits).
But unfortunately currently I am not using Dual ISO much on 700D because it has flickering issue on most RAW modes, I tested MLVApp, latest version of cr2hdr (on linux), both produce the same problem.
Some modes does work without the flickering issue like 4.5K 1x3 in "Crop mode".
Quote from: vastunghia on April 20, 2022, 11:31:14 PM
Yes, overclocking enabled, as well as card spanning of course.
I took 96 clips in a 48h time frame approximatively, all 3.5K 1:1 centered @14 bit (some of which using Dual ISO as well), with the following stats:I would say that in broadly half of cases I got a slightly corrupted first frame (typically resulting in a pink area in the top 1/4 of the image), but apart from that only one clip had a (completely) corrupted frame in the middle of it (i.e. MLV App skipped it when converting to DNG). So this seems pretty reliable to me.
- 32 automagically stopped , all with write speed > 135 MB/s (150 on average)
- the remaining 64 achieved continuous recording (short clips, 30 secs on average, apart from a longer one lasting more than 3 minutes), with write speed up to 135 MB/s (130 on average)
Also, no particular overheating observed (but again, my shooting sessions were very quick).
HTH
Sergio
Quote from: vastunghia on April 20, 2022, 05:41:38 PM
After some Easter family shooting, I can conclude that these LV hacks boosted my 5D3 (1.1.3) write speed from 115-120 MB/s to 130-135 MB/s in real-life situations.
Switched to 14-bit 3.5K (that should be called 3.7K actually IMO) definitively. I just cannot do exact ETTR in very bright conditions and complex scenes -- in these cases I have to stop down 1/3 to 1 EV in order to achieve continuous recording, sometimes also killing Global Draw. Happy to pay that price though.
What cards are you using? I definitely cannot reach above 135 MB/s.
Sergio
Quote from: gabriielangel on April 20, 2022, 04:08:53 AM
@mlrocks , This is very interesting. Did you have a chance to compare the output of the 650D to that of the eos-m? As the 650D is quite affordable, it could be interesting.
Quote from: gabriielangel on April 19, 2022, 10:00:07 PM
By hardware compression ratio of 3, do you mean subjectively?
1x3 Binning isn't exactly compression. What you lose is mostly sharpness (And detail resolution), because every 3 horizontal pixels are combined into one. (But every line is scanned, thus, vertical resolution is relatively untouched)
Quote from: gabriielangel on April 19, 2022, 10:00:07 PM
By hardware compression ratio of 3, do you mean subjectively?
1x3 Binning isn't exactly compression. What you lose is mostly sharpness (And detail resolution), because every 3 horizontal pixels are combined into one. (But every line is scanned, thus, vertical resolution is relatively untouched)
Quote from: gabriielangel on April 19, 2022, 10:00:07 PM
By hardware compression ratio of 3, do you mean subjectively?
1x3 Binning isn't exactly compression. What you lose is mostly sharpness (And detail resolution), because every 3 horizontal pixels are combined into one. (But every line is scanned, thus, vertical resolution is relatively untouched)
Quote from: Danne on April 18, 2022, 01:22:21 PM
Recording with a preset isn't benchmarking. Recordings will probably show the same but the hacks will allow for longer or continuous shooting.
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