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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: July 15, 2013, 01:57:30 PM »
Ted Ramasola also posted tests, mine are cityscapes with lots of sharp edges and patterns that normally destroy RAW shots. A VAF pays for itself the first time you use it, IMHO.


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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: July 15, 2013, 01:41:22 PM »
You can use Bridge to open all frames within a clip at once, but you still have to reopen it to make further tweaks. Everyone has their own way, I just don't like the idea of grading too much before picture lock and prefer to be working with RAW footage after that.

I've got a small render farm headed up by a hex core with 64GB of RAM and every AE correction still requires rendering, whereas Resolve gives me real time playback of my whole project. The ability to add more GPU's is interesting too.

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: July 15, 2013, 12:27:31 PM »
What do you mean, I load my DNG's into After effects just fine(not cinema DNG's) and am able to pull up ACR any time I want to as well.

AE has realtime playback? Correcting 100's of clips isn't a chore? Sure you can do it in AE, I'm saying the process is inefficient is all.

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If you can handle recording sound seperately, go for it. Rent or borrow one and see if it works for you.

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General Chat / Re: 5D3 ML - 5 Days, 42 Cards, no explosions
« on: July 15, 2013, 02:26:31 AM »
Looking forward to your updates, Dave.

here in the UK we just had winter and that lasted about 7 years or something like that?

What temps are you guys seeing on average? I have been up to 65 C indoors in sunny north England and seeing no real differences outdoors. I recently watched a doc about when Soderbergh shot Che using the prototype RED. They had surgical ice packs, 237 8Gb cf cards and Benicio Del Toro in some harsh locations. The AC had the 1000 yard stare like he'd been in Vietnam or something.

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These are the Lanparte line? I was thinking about going this way when HDMI recording was the dream. It looks perfect for the ssd unit and the ability to power everything is a godsend, but I don't know how the HDMI dual out will play with the raw module. These aren't cheap either - £400+ with two batteries.

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what is this "small ADTG trick".

A1ex Delivers The Goodshit.

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Great work, Felix. It's interesting to see RAW being used for a narrative piece. I think RAW is built for this type of thing and any information can you provide about the project would be great.

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Raw Video Postprocessing / Re: The CinemaDNG Discussion
« on: July 15, 2013, 12:59:15 AM »
Edit: Just scraped a lot of my findings since i just found out that all you have to do is add a C befor the last four numbers.
Example, if your file is called "M16-2227" all you have to do is change it to "M16-C2227" and Davinci Recognizes it as a movie instead of a folder

Works for me on Windows, although it introduces the same problem AE does in that all my clips come in as
"DNG[000000-000670000million].dng". I'll find a way round that though. Great find, Scarluuk.

Welcome back, Chmee. Your app was vital till BM upgraded Resolve, as was Fatpig's till I needed to use Resolve, so thank you both for that. What I like about R2C is its ease of use, whilst BATCHelor is great for organising projects. RAWanizer has its uses though - the file information it provides and it opening the last folder you selected upon restart. I'd love a raw converter that would combine all of these things and maybe use a Resolve style GUI that exchanged Media, Conform, Colour... with Basic, On set, Power user, Info... Either way, the work done by you guys on the raw converters doesn't go unappreciated at all.

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: July 14, 2013, 11:47:05 PM »
@Ethan I hadn't used Resolve till a few weeks ago and I'm far from an expert, but Color Grading Central and AETUTS have some excellent Resolve tutorials. I'd love to see ACR enabled in Premiere and find it strange that the company who created DNG don't fully support it. Until then it's horses for courses and I would advise anyone to familiarize themselves with all of the workflow options.

@Vikado It's a mixture of round tripping and dynamic link. Export your XML to Resolve and if you have any problems you need ACR for, you can go back to PP and dynamic link to AE, do your stuff then render that out and import the results to Resolve.

My VAF arrived last week and I love it. Will up some comparisons tomorrow.


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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: July 14, 2013, 01:07:23 AM »
You're getting bad frames with that lexar. You should be continuous @ 1880x800+

He's shooting in 16:9 which is limited to 1728 for continuous right now.

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: July 14, 2013, 01:01:09 AM »
Question: should you save the DNGs and delete the .RAW files which come directly off the card? I don't see any point holding on to them once converted.

It depends on your needs, but any footage that is valuable to you is more valuable in its original form. I got an answer to a related question here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6731.msg56002#msg56002

I can't speak to Cineform, but Resolve round tripping is working great for me. I was very comfy with AE / PP / SG before RAW, but found the Adobe workflow to be sluggish and counterproductive in that I was faced with grading decisions / opportunities before I'd cut a single shot and if I really need ACR, I can always introduce that after I have gotten a feel for the edit (quickly) using Resolve proxies. I also like the limitations of the higher ratios and the way they foster discipline. If I know I will only need a certain length shot, I select a ratio that can just about give me that knowing I will crop to a lower ratio anyway, whilst having room to later reframe. Liked your vid, btw.

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: July 06, 2013, 06:28:57 PM »

Has anyone Done a 64 GB continuous Full card Record ??   
 

I just filled my 64GB Komputerbay and speed dropped from 68 MB/s continuous to 2.1Mb/s 110 expected at the 42 GB point. The buffer stayed the same at barely a bar. 1856 x 742 26531 frames. All I can offer is the 42GB point is around the time the tenth file is written?

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Raw Video / Re: 5D3 Raw 4:2:2 or 4:4:4?
« on: June 29, 2013, 04:16:51 AM »

You could however influence quality when choosing the debayering method.


I watched an FXPHD course recently about RED workflow and Mike Seymour was talking about handling the raw files. He advised storing the raw files saying that debayering techniques are constantly improving and that they test out new software with footage shot in 07 and see improvements in 'quality'. Does this principle apply to ML RAW?

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: June 29, 2013, 01:08:20 AM »
Yet more advances? You guys make me feel good.

5d2, Komputerbay 64GB, b77a85f7ac68, small hacks on, GD off, exact 24 fps, manual lcd:

1880 x 1250

287
272
285
282
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282
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279

1872 x 1250

289
298
280
301
285
297
285
299

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1.85:1 is not far off continuous @1872  it seems. I had a momentary issue with write speed data display and performance dropping to under half of my normal numbers. Ignore the essay below if this isn't unheard of.

After doing these tests I put the card in my reader (Kingston FCR HS3) and used RAWanizer 0.5.5 to view the frame count on my tests. I put the card back in the camera without moving or wiping the files and began testing ratios. Started with 1.85:1 and figured I would be close to continuous with that. As soon as I hit record, the buffer filled and I dropped a frame. Went to RAW settings and the write speed was showing yellow 31.3MB/s. Flicked through the ratios and they were all crippled this way. Tried recording at 2.35:1 and that seemed to run as usual, went back to RAW settings and after scrolling through the ratios, the write speed data was showing 74.4MB/s.   

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: June 27, 2013, 09:07:42 PM »
I didn't save the clip. I figured it was due to me stressing the camera (I was taking lots of bursts) and the 2nd time it happened there was no evidence of it after I pressed record, what puzzled me was why it happened to a camera that was 'cold'. The noise in Ted's image seems more uniform than what I saw. I'm using your latest build and no noise so far.


"ps-do we still have to put the camera mode on C1/C2/C3 mode for more buffer?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the perceived effect of the C modes was down to photo settings and switching them down.

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: June 27, 2013, 08:28:39 PM »
I have been experiencing vertical noise. First noticed it a few days ago after taking a bunch of photos. It went away after recording a video and then it appeared again yesterday when I first fired up my camera.

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Raw Video / Re: New writing strategy - variable buffering
« on: June 27, 2013, 06:50:02 PM »
1872 x 1250, 5d2, Komputerbay 64GB, small hacks on:

Getting 9/10 frames less than expected consistently, although the number of frames captured has increased from 216 - 229 with the first variable buffer module on the 22nd to 260 - 282 with this module.

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: June 23, 2013, 08:22:01 AM »
"When a1ex says 1872 is a mod16 resolution..."

Thanks for the explanation. I agree there is no noticeable difference and if it lends itself to performance, I'm sold.

Unless you have a specific reason, always be running the latest builds dariSSight. Even though RAW is pretty stable, it's far from ready for general release and the developers need to hear from people who encounter bugs.

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@mkrjf the only real way we can answer these questions is by revealing our own methods and posting results for comparison:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6595.msg52376#msg52376

Fatpig has got the ball rolling, feel free to contribute.

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: June 22, 2013, 05:34:46 PM »
Current ad vs A1ex, Sandisk Ultra 8GB, GD off, exact 24 fps, resolution 1872:

ad 1248 / 3:2 =

86
87
87
83
85

A1ex 1248 / 3:2 =

85
86
84
86
85

ad 1054 / 16:9 =

108
109
109
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A1ex 1054 / 16:9 =

108
104
108
106
104

ad 1012 / 1.85:1 =

124
125
123
124
124

A1ex 1012 / 1.85:1 =

124
124
124
125
124

ad 936 / 2:1

132
128
133
131
117

A1ex 936 / 2:1

131
132
132
125
131

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: June 22, 2013, 04:39:19 PM »
Current ad vs A1ex, Komputerbay 64GB, GD off, exact 24 fps, resolution 1872:

ad 1248 / 3:2 =

217
223
217
226
218

A1ex 1248 / 3:2 =

222
228
223
229
216

ad 1054 / 16:9 =

587
561
586
553
579

A1ex 1054 / 16:9 =

558
564
598
553
541

ad 1012 / 1.85:1 =

833
888
950
893
933

A1ex 1012 / 1.85:1 =

835
963
861
921
871

ad 936 / 2:1

4992

A1ex 936 / 2:1

3954


Yes it's better to do everything you can before relying on a filter, I haven't heard of any similar products to the Mosaic line.

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a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds / Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
« on: June 22, 2013, 04:27:44 PM »
As far as I know it is to do with line skipping which involves discarding 2/3rds of the data. In crop mode you have a true cutout of the sensor with no line skipping, but also a crop factor of 5.

EDIT:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6242.0

more info here.

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