Was there a mass email sent to all Cinelog owners? I didn't get anything about the new software.
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@50Deezil - Video Tuts are coming. I haven't made any screen captured tuts before so I need to set up everything to do it. That's my next job after the release of the Resolve version.
re: MLV - I would recommend mlv especially because of the metadata issues with .raw for Adobe workflows. Current Cinelog customers will get the Resolve version free so you have the option of either workflow.
Quote from: robertgl on January 17, 2014, 02:53:10 AMSomeone posted earlier in the thread that he noted about 3 degrees C less heat when using the battery adapter rather than battery.
does the 50D run any cooler via a battery adapter?
Quote from: 1% on October 31, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
Then why are the modes and behavior the same as 1x and 5x mode on other cams? All I see is rumor posts before the camera was released and people speculating it has 3x3 binning but no official or empirical proof that it is.
Then I see this guy:
http://www.canonwatch.com/eos-5d-mark-iii-hacked-anti-aliasing-filter-removed-more-sharpness/
Filter is blurring/darkening the image... hmmm sounds like that would take down moire just like the VAF. Also the moire issues seem related to sensor size and resolution output + how it divides up and then debayers.
Quote from: maxotics on October 30, 2013, 06:22:52 PMIt gets confusing but the Anti Aliasing Filter in Photo Cameras is not there to prevent Aliasing and Moire in Video. It's just enough for the high resolution of a full sensor output but not strong enough for the needs of video. The reason some DSLR's have avoided major issues with Moire and Aliasing has to do with how they get to the smaller resolution of 1080p video from the much larger output of the sensor. Panasonic in the GH2 was using pixel binning to downsize the image which is better than line skipping. Canon was using line skipping in all their DSLR's until the 5DmkIII which I think they now use Pixel Binning to downsize from full sensor to the much smaller 1080p, which leads to a better final image with less moire and aliasing and more preserved detail.
I would think that any footage with the filter removed, if it IS the way the 5D3 has reduced aliasing/moire would show tons of it. To me it looks like one of the commentators is right, the filter is more about IR, or something else. Am I missing something? Seems this video proves exactly the opposite, that Canon is using electronics to deal with aliasing issues in the 5D3 (that it didn't do in all cameras previous)
Even Mosaic says take their filter out before doing serious photography.
Quote from: Andy600 on October 25, 2013, 12:04:12 AM
I just did a quick, unscientific test and the max I can get it to show is 11.4EV at ISO 100 & 200 (which proves the Dx0 mark ISO charts) using center weighted average metering.
Quote from: Andy600 on October 24, 2013, 11:08:38 AM
Yea, I saw that and thought the same thing. Is it just me or does the 50D produce a better raw video image than the 7D? I think the smaller sensor helps a bit with aliasing and moire compared to the 7D. It's still there of course but there is something very nice and, dare I say, unique about the 50D's image quality (if you treat it right ).
Quote from: LEVISDAVIS on October 23, 2013, 09:33:27 AM
Komputerbay 128GB 1050x records continuous raw at...
23.976
- - 1584x1058 (almost 3:2) - - Shows no bars in the metering... Global Draw is off. (Raw photo mode is ON.)
25 P
- - 1584x1058 (almost 3:2) - - Shows no bars in the metering... Global Draw is off. (Raw photo mode is ON.)
29.970
- - 1584x1058 (almost 3:2) - - 864 frames ((Raw photo mode is OFF.)
5X Center Crop
23.976
1920 x 1080 - 1715 frames (results varied a lot) (Hacked - No Preview proved best results).
1920 x 1038 - Continuous (results varied).
Things to consider is that if you are going to push the card to the limit it want to record a short take and then skip frames. After that first short take it will record something fierce and of course continuously. This is different than the Komputerbay 64 GB card. That card seems to just get up and go and if it gets into a recording bind somehow finds a way to lower buffers.
... Saw a serious increase in the 50D's ability to capture frames by disabling raw in the photo mode. However, I too typically shoot with raw enabled because 1584 x 892 at a standard frame rate is not a stretch for the Komputerbay cards. Have never gotten pink frames either.
If you haven't been following... I purchased a 128 GB 1000x card from Komputerbay about a week ago. Unfortunately, the card would not work with ML on the 50D. I contacted Komputerbay support and they had me send in the card for a firmware adjustment. At that point, I asked to upgrade to the 1050x because they stated that the 1050x would also work with the 50D after they made a firmware adjustment. Well, I got the card back from their tech support today and was absolutely able to load the firmware with success. Yes it's a 128 GB 1050x card and yet it will work with ML! Reads as a 119GB card, but it should be able to capture 128 GB without any trouble. If you notice the 64 GB 1000x cards read as a 60 GB card in the Canon 50D and it still captures a full 64 GB worth of data.
If you are interested in the card, you might want to talk to Komputerbay before purchasing the card from Amazon or ebay. They may have some of the firmware adjusted cards in stock. I don't know for sure, but I would think that they would have at least a few. Who knows?
Quote from: maxotics on October 10, 2013, 03:32:37 PMI'm seriously considering this myself. Cineform seems to be what pretty much everyone is asking for in terms of a very good way to reduce file size and keep the quality gains of RAW. I'm still investigating this option but it looks very compelling.
$200 Cineform 4:4:4 or RAW?
Quote from: LEVISDAVIS on September 19, 2013, 11:15:12 PM
After a couple weeks of testing the prototype 50D VAF the one thing that stands out the most about this filter is the ability to push the RAW image in post. When aliasing and moiré occurs in your footage the post-production color correction process has a limitation. That is why I decided to acquire a VAF from Mosaic Engineering. Interestingly, what I wasn't expecting to come about, at least so dramatically, was the range of colors that the 50D could handle with the VAF in place.
The 50D aliasing issue causes post-production color correction limitations. It's a factor that must be configured into the color correction process. However, with the limitation seemingly removed, especially during close-ups & mid shots, the images derived from the 50D become far more capable in post-production processes.
For example, when color correcting footage without the VAF I find that my scopes rest in the 50 - 70% legal television chroma-value range before the image proves qualities of aliasing, moiré, and false color. With the VAF in place I regular find myself beyond television chroma-value limits and the image appears to want to go even further without breakdowns in skin tones and other artifacts. This is a very positive attribute that is only derived from a camera that has a lot of flexibility. So as a result, you know, the prototype 50D VAF is proving very valuable to the workflow.
Not to say that everything is totally perfect. There are some additional issues with the filter that need to be addressed. Currently, parfocal lensing is not possible. The VAF negates the user's ability to zoom in on a subject, adjust focus, zoom out from the subject and maintain focus throughout the entire focal distance. However, that is not an issue with prime lensing. I am currently in the process of speaking with Mosaic Engineering to address the filter's performance.
If you follow the link you will be directed to download sample DNG images as well as video footage. You'll notice that the filter eliminates about 85 - 90 percent of the moiré and aliasing in the chroma channels. The luma channels appear to hold aliasing and moiré but the percentage is about 93 - 97 percent eliminated.
https://copy.com/IOqlwsmWUi8i
So what do you think? Would 92 - 100 percent moiré elimination actually take away from detail & texture? Is 100% moiré and aliasing elimination a better solution because the shooter would never have to worry about when and when not to use filters to block moiré and aliasing? Or, would you prefer more texture and detail with the chance of moiré and aliasing in the image?
More or less that is what I'm thinking about the filter right now. The right thing to do will be to post another response after addressing this with Mosaic Engineering. I presume we all want to know just how much of an impact the VAF can make, right? Until then, thanks for reading and enjoy your time.
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