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[the camera should be first in ON position and then "Switch Off the camera by pressing SET button and after a second or two switch On the camera by continue holding the SET button and then release SET button"]

My reason for wanting to turn ML off is that I'm not familiar with all its features, but that doesn't stop me from experimenting with them. Turning it off would let me make sure I'm not shooting under some strange settings I don't understand. The SET + boot method is fine, just need to figure out why it isn't working.

Hi there!  Just figured out the solution through one Mr.Walter Schulz on Q&As;  and why it was not working on your 60d and my 60d. 

ML says to switch ON the camera by pressing SET button to disable ML.  No, it wouldn't.  Mr.Walter says;
the camera should be first in ON position and then "Switch Off the camera by pressing SET button and after a second or two switch On the camera by continue holding the SET button and then release SET button"

Bingo!... it works wonderful. Try it.

["Switch Off the camera by pressing SET button and after a second or two switch On the camera by holding the SET button and then release SET button"]

Turn cam off, press "Set" button, turn camera on, release Set button and your camera is up and running and ML is deactivated.

Ciao, Walter

Good Walter!  You have cleared a doubt which has been subsisting for a very very long time and somewhat erroneously published by ML.  What ML said was to "press SET button while turning ON the camera" to disable ML.  It wasn't working on my 60d and that of many others.  There have been many threads where this issue was discussed with no satisfactory answer.  Even now, a thread named `ML MASTER SWITCH" is deliberating on somewhat the same issue.

Your clarification that the camera should be first in ON position and then "Switch Off the camera by pressing SET button and after a second or two switch On the camera by holding the SET button and then release SET button" works wonderful. 

I tried it on my 60d and it disabled ML.  I am so...happy!  With your permission, I shall post your suggestion on the ML MASTER SWITCH thread.

Oh! I see.  I tried motion detect on a rainy late evening to capture the lightning and it worked.  But then, I deleted the photo; it wasn't any great perhaps on account of bad exposure setting.  Your trap focus experiment has indeed a great success; nice photos!

Have experimented motion detect and it is pretty cool.  But then, a reading of robneave99's post gives an indication that Motion Detect feature saves on shutter operations.  How's that?  When I used motion detect, the camera makes a distinctive sound and I think it is the shutter. 

I am no tech guy, but once when I was through with a programme (i.e. while my 60d was taking pictures in stack focus) I switched it off.  Then I had problems... I mean my 60d wouldn't start up at all... the red light was constantly ON.  I tried many non ML cards but no use.  Then I loaded my ML card to my computer... deleted all the photos (only photos) and put it back into my 60d.  It worked.  I have reported it elsewhere; ... don't remember.

Hi guys! Back again after a long tour!

Just chanced to take a glance at the hot topic `DotTune AFMA'.  Very very interesting...hopes of technical solution for getting AFMA to 60d (and others that don't have it) seem to grow stronger!  In the light of this, perhaps... in the near future... 3x digital zoom on 60d may also become a reality! 

I too like Scrax's idea.  I SECOND IT!

[any other button']

Ideas?

Half-shutter was rejected because ML didn't load if you started taking pics right away, or when you were waking up the camera from standby.

MENU, PLAY, DELETE, LV - it's also likely that you press one of those while ML is loading => will disable ML without you wanting it.

What about INFO/DISP?

Probably, I haven't understood it correctly... When <DEPRESS `DELETE' AT START-UP> is not switching off ML on 60d, then how could <DEPRESS `any other button' AT START-UP> could switch off ML?  My suggestion is; if UNLOCK button could be used in any way to switch ML `OFF' and `ON', it may be ideal. 

Doesn't make the problem easier to solve. If we could make it work it would have been done.

Well..., what may legally be possible may not be technically feasible.  I understand that; thanks.  I was just  reflecting to Alex's note on legalities.  Just a reassuring legal support to ML's achievements.

[60d ML function Stack Focus; Was experimenting FOCUS STACKING, and while the camera was in the course of taking snaps, I switched it off ! (remembered some urgent work; thought if I switched off the 60d, the stack focus function will automatically close by itself). I was wrong! The camera locked up and there was the constant red-light.I let go my urgent work and attended to my camera; removed the battery and after 30 seconds re-loaded the same and switched on: No use; the red-light was back on! Again I switched off the camera and removed the battery: This time I removed the SD card too (4GB with ML). After 30 seconds, I loaded both the battery and the SD card and switched on the camera. No use. The constant red-light laughed at me again! By then, I was a bit upset. I removed the battery and the card both once again.I loaded a different SD card (2 GB, but without ML) and the battery. Switched on the 60d. No luck ! Felt very bad and sat for 10 minutes.Then thought of making yet another last try before consulting Canon service. Loaded the earlier card (4 GB with ML) to the computer and removed all the photos from canon folders. Only the photos and no other data. Then re-loaded the card (4 GB with ML) and the battery into the camera and switched it on.Voila !!! It worked ! JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION]

Hi Pabs!

Your problem seems similar to that I encountered when I had my initial hick-ups with ML.  I too had switched off my 60d in the middle of a function - IMAGE STACKING - and the camera's red light was ON constantly.  But then, I got over it in the following manner which I shared in this forum elsewhere and for your ready reference reproduced hereunder.  Hope it may be of some help;

60d ML function Stack Focus;  Was experimenting FOCUS STACKING, and while the camera was in the course of taking snaps, I switched it off ! (remembered some urgent work; thought if I switched off the 60d, the stack focus function will automatically close by itself).  I was wrong!  The camera locked up and there was the constant red-light.

I let go my urgent work and attended to my camera; removed the battery and after 30 seconds re-loaded the same and switched on: No use; the red-light was back on!   Again I switched off the camera and removed the battery: This time I removed the SD card too (4GB with ML).  After 30 seconds, I loaded both the battery and the SD card and switched on the camera.  No use.  The constant red-light laughed at me again!  By then, I was a bit upset.  I removed the battery and the card both once again.

I loaded a different SD card (2 GB, but without ML) and the battery.  Switched on the 60d. No luck !  Felt very bad and sat for 10 minutes.

Then thought of making yet another last try before consulting Canon service. Loaded the earlier card (4 GB with ML) to the computer and removed all the photos from canon folders.  Only the photos and no other data.  Then re-loaded the card (4 GB with ML) and the battery into the camera and switched it on.

Voila !!! It worked !  JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION

Let me know if it was of any help pl.

Not quite, there are some different situations:

1) Calling Canon API to implement some new feature, such as the advanced bracketing or the timelapse stuff. We have our own code and algorithms, we call Canon's software library routines (to take a picture, set shutter speed etc) and we have reverse engineered Canon code for interoperability (so we have figured out how to call their undocumented API).

2) Enabling some hidden feature that is already in the firmware, but not on the user interface. This is more likely to be considered a derivative work of Canon code, which is not good for us. If Canon wants to sell feature X on some high-end camera and we bring it to some other low-end camera, we will probably hurt Canon's market, and we are not allowed to reverse engineer in this case.

3) Implementing some feature that Canon already has on some other camera. If we would copy Canon code, that would be copyright infringement. If we implement it from scratch and copy only the functionality, that shouldn't infringe any copyrights, but to be fully legal it has to be implemented by someone who did not see how Canon did it (the chinese wall technique).

I know, it's not easy with all this legal uncertainity, that's why we need some intellectual property lawyers to clear it up.

Until then, we are just playing Russian roulette.

Generally speaking, Intellectual Property Right Laws are devised with the primary objective of protecting the interest of those who own it.  What interests...? Their commercial/business interests.  Normally, such laws do not come in the way of research work; pure research. 

That is why we have so many cases...so many interpretations...so many judgments.  Ultimately the judgment rests on the fundamental question as whether the Intellectual Property owner has suffered any injury/damage... and if so to what extent.  Well, it has to be proved.

ML has in fact boosted the sale of Canon cameras: Look into any forum ...and you will find a praising word for ML.  More; some have invested on Canon only on account of ML.  No need to add that the forum talks do serve as evidence.

Next: ML is not commercially exploiting by way of reverse engineering Canons.  So, from the legal angle, ML comfortably has an arguable case, if any legal battle ensues. 

The only point that may be put forth in favour of Canons is that such reverse engineering has affected some of their other products.  Well, proving that isn't an easy task.  It has to be supported by facts and figures including the general sale of cameras in that category from all manufacturers.

Ultimately, silence on the part of Canons all these years also needs to be explained.  In the commercial world, silence may give rise to a presumption of licence. 

After all; there shouldn't be any apprehensions!  Canon knows for certain that ML has given fillip to their sales.  They wouldn't hurt a golden hen!

 

No, it is true that ML is running even if the overlays are turned off. Maybe one of the devs can look into the Set on startup problem.

What I do is keep 2 cards handy. 1 with ML and 1 without, although I seldom use the card without.

If ML is running even after turning off Globaldraw (overlays), then it must be applying the settings permanently (till it is re-set by enabling Globaldraw).  In that case, how does a spare card (without ML) saves you from that? 

In my case, I have been using 60d with GD turned off, whenever I desire to use Canon Menu; and it has been fine... no problems; I am using the same card (with ML loaded in it).

I don't believe I do. SET doesn't do anything, and I've cleared all camera settings. It's a 60D.

I totally agree with you.  Mine too is 60d and I haven't assigned any work to SET button.  I have already reported it elsewhere saying that holding SET while start-up doesn't stop/disable ML from loading.  It has no effect whatsoever.  Anyway, by turning Globaldraw OFF, ML functions are disabled.  So far, I haven't found ML interfering whenever I used Canon Menu for shooting. 

But it will be nice if it is devised to ON/OFF Magic Lantern by pressing a button.

If you take 2 pictures with same settings and AWB, i.e. one on Canon Menu and one on ML menu, and post it (along with EXIF data) then probably it would help diagnosis.

 8)Thanks Scrax. 

Magic Lantern can't break the laws of physics.

I understand..!  Too bad...I am not a science man: Even simple science doesn't get into my head.  Thanks Alex; but I may keep bothering this forum with such odd questions now and then...pl bear.

All of the same LV tools are available in image review mode just change Global Draw to On(all modes) under the Overlays menu.

As 'magic' as ML is, it can not turn an optical view finder into hybrid optical/EVF.

Back again..! Sorry to bother; but in 7D VIEW FINDER one can use Canon's grid marks.  Whereas on 60d it is not possible.  On 60d the Canon girds only made available in LV.   ML adds crop marks, but that too in LV. If these could be made available in the viewfinder,.... some sort of overlaying.. etc.., (as in 7d), it would be great; isn't it?

All of the same LV tools are available in image review mode just change Global Draw to On(all modes) under the Overlays menu.

As 'magic' as ML is, it can not turn an optical view finder into hybrid optical/EVF.

Thanks for the information.

What features do you have in mind? Some of them work in non-LV too while others need LV to do computations on the images

What features do you have in mind? Some of them work in non-LV too while others need LV to do computations on the images

I mean features like ML screen with Magic Zoom, Histogram, crops et. al.

I tried to search the subject in FAQ and SEARCH but couldn't find any; hence this question.  Is it possible to make the ML features available without having to use LIVE VIEW?  That way most photography-friendly features could be used by photographers who normally shoot by using the View Finder.  This also helps save lot of battery power as the camera is not on live view!

If it is already answered elsewhere please send the link (And bear with me for  :-[the repetition!!)

Presently, HSS is possible only with certain External flashes attached.  I read somewhere that, at high shutter speeds, the II curtain moves almost along with the first curtain forming a small slit and the Flash fires a number strobes during the entire duration of the shutter to give a proper exposure.  Since 60d's built-in flash (and many other models too) is capable of firing strobes, will it be possible for ML to get HSS with the built-in flash?

LOL, Canon firmware already has it, ML just displays it in a different way.

Of course Yes; but, I thought the level indicator is quite different in 7d.  It not only shows the horizontal level but also vertical (i.e. bubble).  In 60d it is only horizontal.  If ML could that feature on 60d, it would be great!

It's possible, but only on 60D.

Research needed on other cameras, I'm 99% sure the sensor is there, but not directly accessible.

Hint: http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Tx19a

That's great!  A bubble-level on 60d!  That's a feature of the higher end 7d !!!

I'd rather shorten the user guide (since it's huge), thus being able to use a larger font.

Ideally, I'd like one help page (or slide, if your prefer) for each feature. Maybe 2 or 3 for complex things.

Yes it is huge; but then, the features developed by MLs too are huge...!  Even if you concise, it may occupy quite a space.  The present system is nice...i.e. accessibility.  Probably, black & white may assist easy reading.  In any case, the font size should be at least double the present one.  Great thinking, ...and I am waiting! Thanks.

Since ML has lots and lots of features, quite often one needs to press the INFO button for help (60d) to view the information on respective features.  The font size of the information is very small and many-a-times extremely difficult to read, particularly in the field.  Is there any possibility to view a zoomed version of the HELP menu by pressing the ZOOM button and move the page up & down and sideways by using the arrow buttons?

It will be a great HELP.