Note to ML Community:
Hey Everyone!
I am a first time poster, but a long time stalker. I wanted to thank the ML Dev team + everyone who still talks in here, manages the program, trouble shoots, gives tutorials, etc. I'm amazed at how amazing ML is as a program, but even more amazed at how it is as a community. I have no code skills, but I'd love to give back in anyway possible once I graduate from school!
If you ever want to stalk me and my wife, (shameless plug) but you can see our video skills progression on vimeo.com/shelbyandbrooks. (I'm pretty heavy in the description about workflows so I can remember how I did it - some might find this helpful!)
To Andy600
Figured out how to Install OCIO. Get Cinelog stuff working in it, etc. (I might post a tutorial on this, I literally almost didn't buy Cinelog because I didn't understand how to install / use OCIO.) So far so good! Love the film looks!
I recently got the full Magic Bullet Suite for sub $300 (student discount = 50% off, + 40% off for their end of year deal). I am an Adobe user and have found their programs to make a bit more sense to me. I would like to do the majority of my color grading within Premiere.
I would like my workflow to be:
5D Mark III -> MLVFS -> After Effects (Smart Import 2 script) -> Cinelog-C ProRes 4444 XQ (for storage, then delete DNGs on confirmation the clip looks good) -> Premiere / MB Looks.
I really prefer to grade in Premiere because I need to see the adjacent clips / cuts so as to make sure the grades fit well through the transition.
Question:
I talked with the support staff at MB and they stated:
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:26:06 am)
We when grading - we have a "Your Footage Is" tool that helps Looks 4 by identifying your footage as Log or sRGB. We do have some generic presets, as well as 2 Sony S LOG based presets:
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:26:14 am)
https://static.livechatinc.com/1053031/OKD3D8WQR7/b08943681247747215e727550324bbe1/Screen%20Shot%202017-01-20%20at%209.22.40%20AM.png
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:27:11 am)
You also have the option of creating your own preset by select "Log" under the "Gamma" drop down menu, adjusting Exposire, Contrast, Saturation, White, and Black and then saving the Preset with a custom name that will populate in the Presets menu:
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:27:21 am)
https://static.livechatinc.com/1053031/OKD3D8WQR7/39d04a4c107c2267161113b444dcc872/Screen%20Shot%202017-01-20%20at%209.23.01%20AM.png
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:28:17 am)
I the vast majority of cases, selecting Log or Flat Video is a good starting point to tweak your specific log from.
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:28:42 am)
however we do not have a specific preset for the profile you linked me to
Brooks Powell (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:29:29 am)
Cool. I am not too technical. Will the custom be enough you think for the maker of Cinelog-C to create a preset for his log?
Brooks Powell (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:29:37 am)
Does he need to know anything else
Brooks Powell (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:29:38 am)
?
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:30:51 am)
Absolutely, it is a very flexible interface and designed to be customized for any of the available Log formats (Canon log, Panasonic log, the Cinema DNG that BlackMagic uses) - in fact this preset can even be created with a trial version of the software"
Q1)
Is what Andrey said is true about being able to customize that area for any available log format? If so, would it be possible for you to let us know what the settings should be? / Make a preset?
I think the easiest way would be to play with it on the free trial. However, I uploaded the options here as well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7qNP2ugJkrMM0JpN29jMnR4LUU
Q2
I have searched the interwebs, internal docs, etc. and can't find anything / I want a quick confirmation. When I import my cDNGs to AE, I then get the ACR pop up, then I go to camera profiles and make it "5D Mark III Cinelog-C" or what not.
I understand that if I were to convert to Cineon or something else, I use OCIO and make input Cinelog-C, then output to whatever.
However, if I just want to render Cinelog-C master files in ProRes 4444 XQ, do I need to open up OCIO? And then do input Cinelog-C and output Cinelog-C? It seems I wouldn't, since no change is occuring if the input / output are same, however, I know your product uses OCIO as part of the way it functions, and so I have just been worrying that somehow I'm not getting true Cinelog-C if I don't run it through OCIO. (When doing a lot of footage, like 150 clips, I would hate having to open OCIO for each.)
Sorry for my lack of technical knowledge!
Q3
-In AE, specifically the rendering part, do we want to click "preserve RGB"?
-How should the AE color management be handled? Any updates with the 2016 product you have put out?
-In ProRes 4444 XQ, there's an option about Gamma (I believe its "auto" or "off".) Which should we use with Cinelog-C?
Thanks so much! Got a gig from a friend that needs a video done in Cuba and leaving in next few days, hoping to use Cinelog-C for it!
Hey Everyone!
I am a first time poster, but a long time stalker. I wanted to thank the ML Dev team + everyone who still talks in here, manages the program, trouble shoots, gives tutorials, etc. I'm amazed at how amazing ML is as a program, but even more amazed at how it is as a community. I have no code skills, but I'd love to give back in anyway possible once I graduate from school!
If you ever want to stalk me and my wife, (shameless plug) but you can see our video skills progression on vimeo.com/shelbyandbrooks. (I'm pretty heavy in the description about workflows so I can remember how I did it - some might find this helpful!)
To Andy600
Figured out how to Install OCIO. Get Cinelog stuff working in it, etc. (I might post a tutorial on this, I literally almost didn't buy Cinelog because I didn't understand how to install / use OCIO.) So far so good! Love the film looks!
I recently got the full Magic Bullet Suite for sub $300 (student discount = 50% off, + 40% off for their end of year deal). I am an Adobe user and have found their programs to make a bit more sense to me. I would like to do the majority of my color grading within Premiere.
I would like my workflow to be:
5D Mark III -> MLVFS -> After Effects (Smart Import 2 script) -> Cinelog-C ProRes 4444 XQ (for storage, then delete DNGs on confirmation the clip looks good) -> Premiere / MB Looks.
I really prefer to grade in Premiere because I need to see the adjacent clips / cuts so as to make sure the grades fit well through the transition.
Question:
I talked with the support staff at MB and they stated:
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:26:06 am)
We when grading - we have a "Your Footage Is" tool that helps Looks 4 by identifying your footage as Log or sRGB. We do have some generic presets, as well as 2 Sony S LOG based presets:
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:26:14 am)
https://static.livechatinc.com/1053031/OKD3D8WQR7/b08943681247747215e727550324bbe1/Screen%20Shot%202017-01-20%20at%209.22.40%20AM.png
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:27:11 am)
You also have the option of creating your own preset by select "Log" under the "Gamma" drop down menu, adjusting Exposire, Contrast, Saturation, White, and Black and then saving the Preset with a custom name that will populate in the Presets menu:
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:27:21 am)
https://static.livechatinc.com/1053031/OKD3D8WQR7/39d04a4c107c2267161113b444dcc872/Screen%20Shot%202017-01-20%20at%209.23.01%20AM.png
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:28:17 am)
I the vast majority of cases, selecting Log or Flat Video is a good starting point to tweak your specific log from.
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:28:42 am)
however we do not have a specific preset for the profile you linked me to
Brooks Powell (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:29:29 am)
Cool. I am not too technical. Will the custom be enough you think for the maker of Cinelog-C to create a preset for his log?
Brooks Powell (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:29:37 am)
Does he need to know anything else
Brooks Powell (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:29:38 am)
?
Andrey V (Fri, 1/20/2017, 09:30:51 am)
Absolutely, it is a very flexible interface and designed to be customized for any of the available Log formats (Canon log, Panasonic log, the Cinema DNG that BlackMagic uses) - in fact this preset can even be created with a trial version of the software"
Q1)
Is what Andrey said is true about being able to customize that area for any available log format? If so, would it be possible for you to let us know what the settings should be? / Make a preset?
I think the easiest way would be to play with it on the free trial. However, I uploaded the options here as well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7qNP2ugJkrMM0JpN29jMnR4LUU
Q2
I have searched the interwebs, internal docs, etc. and can't find anything / I want a quick confirmation. When I import my cDNGs to AE, I then get the ACR pop up, then I go to camera profiles and make it "5D Mark III Cinelog-C" or what not.
I understand that if I were to convert to Cineon or something else, I use OCIO and make input Cinelog-C, then output to whatever.
However, if I just want to render Cinelog-C master files in ProRes 4444 XQ, do I need to open up OCIO? And then do input Cinelog-C and output Cinelog-C? It seems I wouldn't, since no change is occuring if the input / output are same, however, I know your product uses OCIO as part of the way it functions, and so I have just been worrying that somehow I'm not getting true Cinelog-C if I don't run it through OCIO. (When doing a lot of footage, like 150 clips, I would hate having to open OCIO for each.)
Sorry for my lack of technical knowledge!
Q3
-In AE, specifically the rendering part, do we want to click "preserve RGB"?
-How should the AE color management be handled? Any updates with the 2016 product you have put out?
-In ProRes 4444 XQ, there's an option about Gamma (I believe its "auto" or "off".) Which should we use with Cinelog-C?
Thanks so much! Got a gig from a friend that needs a video done in Cuba and leaving in next few days, hoping to use Cinelog-C for it!