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... in the 70D

And the 5D4, so we may not need ML in the latest cameras, but we want it for our standby like an old 7D.

Have I missed something. This thread, like so many other, is yet to offer a solution although there are a number of people advising us that we do not need it.

Marsu42 said: "but of course the idea of autoexpo is the absolute opposite of the traditional m mode.". This seems at odds with the ability to choose auto-ISO. M was all we had - manual shutter/aperture - until AE came in with a choice of priorities.

dmilligan said: "Personally I don't find much of a use case for EC on M because either", so he can leave EC at 0.0. But his statement does not discount that fact that others do want the feature - to the point that Canon has made it available on some model. dmilligan then goes on to say he/she uses Av or Tv, but often we want control over both.

Even in the days of film we has choices of aperture, shutter speed and film ISO. We always had one more input to manage those settings - exposure. With a night scene we want an exposure similar to what we see - underexposed. With digital camera set to auto exposure (including auto ISO), the camera tries to make the image similar to daytime. So I see there are four inputs managing the resultant image: aperture, shutter, ISO and desired exposure.

Oh when...