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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4000 on: April 03, 2020, 12:14:46 PM »
Here it is very reliable. I can record in 5K anamorphic mode all over the day without one single corrupted frame, without one single crash. Same for 45fps at a little less than 1080p. 2.5K at 48fps is not possible with EOS M (and will never be): card interface is way too slow - that is simple math.

What's the problem with shutter release? Absolutely don't know what you mean. I can take pictures at any time in picture mode and can record video at any time in video mode - without changing anything in settings.

For zoom mode in 1080p you have to press exactly one button after start.

Don't write ML is useless and unreliable if you don't know what you do, or if you don't know if you're doing it right.

what sd card you useing?

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4001 on: April 03, 2020, 01:44:24 PM »
what sd card you useing?
I use the recommended SanDisk Extreme Pro 64GB 95MB/s UHS-I.
5D3.113 | EOSM.202

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4002 on: April 08, 2020, 12:22:41 AM »
I started using a manual lens and the shutter bug has ceased sorry for my moody post zzz
Seems it is much more buggy with the kit lens.
Now just looking at how to do all the cool stuff like over crank the fps, shoot in different resolutions and the like...
Thanks guys!

One question I do not have the option to shoot at a lower bitrate in the raw movie recording options, in a youtube video he shows to shoot at lower bitrates for more stable recording but I cannot see this it seems to be missing from my menu?


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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4003 on: April 10, 2020, 08:22:03 PM »
I wonder if Canon EOS M is better than EOS 100D in shooting non-crop video?

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EOS M Guide and FAQ
« Reply #4004 on: April 11, 2020, 02:36:59 PM »
EOS M Guide and FAQ

Hi everyone.

Since I am also in kind of lock down as many others I thought I would finally get around to play with the Eos M. I already have two Eos 50D but I never really took the time to learn how to us ML with them properly. I have had many thoughts on how to best structure all the information here on the forum to enable people to help where needed and understand the different features and for which cameras and how they work. However, I realized that the motivation was just not strong enough to convert the thoughts into action.

Now since I kind of have to learn everything from the start I thought I might as well try to make something useful of it to help others too, at least when it comes to the EOS M. So I am planing to make a beginner guide with a faq for the Eos M. I will simply start it as a seperate thread and hopefully it will be good enough so it can be refered to here when people ask recuring questions. Hopefully it will make it easier for people who just want to get up and running and maybe it will reduce the amount of repeating questions and answers (although I am aware that the developers do encourage people to reade the thread themselfs, at lest from page 71).

FIRST STEPS I WILL TAKE:
The first step is to make a list of things that should be included in this guide/faq as well as list of sources for relevant information. Feel free to share your thoughts on what should be included in these lists. I also plan to go through this forum thread from around page 70 and see what questions people have as well as common mistakes that are done.

Hope to have a first draft of the lists tonight or tomorrow, but feel free to come with suggestions already.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4005 on: April 11, 2020, 03:35:14 PM »
Cool. I'll help you out once you start.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4006 on: April 11, 2020, 04:19:04 PM »
Consider using ML's wiki. Linked in my signature. Some layout restrictions, though.
Maintaining forum posts as tutorials proved to be futile, IMO.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4007 on: April 11, 2020, 04:25:23 PM »
Both platforms should cover most needs?
Will have a look at ml wiki. Never use it myself.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4008 on: April 11, 2020, 04:51:50 PM »
Since I dont think I will be able to maintain it continuously I think I will make it for the latest build (crop_rec_4k_mlv_snd_raw_only_2020Jan18.EOSM202). Then maybe if there will be a new build I will update it in half a year or so. Of course, if other people want to maintain it with updates, thats great. Obviosly the content can/will be added to the wiki where it fits. Will just start somewhere that makes sense to me and then we will see how it all fits together. It might have been better to continue on one of the efforts thats already been started, but I just have to start where my motivation lies, and then hopefully it will be incoperated wherever its useful.

Instead of having a static list that I update here in the forum every other day, I decided to make the lists in a drive document. Everyone should feel free to edit the document. But dont worry, I will post the first draft here for feedback once its reached a sufficient level.

Here is the link to the doc
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G6qU_Tzm4LbkIqMdHFUnH6sOoCIXrH3EJQ1ccenarS4/edit?usp=sharing

Btw, is the build feature website (https://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/features) relevant for the latest build (crop_rec_4k_mlv_snd_raw_only_2020Jan18.EOSM202)?

Cheers, Tullen

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4009 on: April 11, 2020, 04:58:21 PM »
Nope, covers Nightly builds in main build chain.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4010 on: April 12, 2020, 04:15:16 PM »
Thanks, that what I thought.

So far I came up with these as relevant sources of information for the Eos M and ML:

Main Magic Lantern Eos M thread
MLV RAW ON EOS M facebook group
Wiki
Zeek youtube

Would you add any other? EOSHD? Reddit?

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4011 on: April 12, 2020, 04:25:11 PM »
You'll find most up to date info here

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4012 on: April 12, 2020, 04:46:01 PM »
Yeah, pretty much all is covered from my dedicated download post and onwards.
Most presets should be pretty straight forward explaining but the again a lot of the stuff aren't. I'd suggest split the wiki in three sections.
1 - straight down to business. Explain fast acces to presets, x3 zoom etc.

2 - Section two a more detailed description of movie functions, buttons and so on.

3 - Third section. Trying to cover the more advanced settings as intervalometer, iso average and what not for the more hardcore ml user.

Maybe also add a section describing more robust presets vs the more expermental ones, potential bugs and so on.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4013 on: April 12, 2020, 05:21:04 PM »
@Danne

Is the dedicated download post the one on page 71?

As for your suggestion, I will continue with the structure I started and then see that I have included the aspects you mention. I will surelly come back with more specific questions.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4014 on: April 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4015 on: April 13, 2020, 12:03:54 PM »
Hi again. I apologize for the many posts and that I might ask for feedback a bit early in the development, making it harder for you to come with useful feedback. Never the less, here is another question.

Desired outcome concept
I am planing to structure the guide around the concept of "desired outcome" where "The camera settings, lens and lens settings used, sd card, other accessories and post processing decides how useful a tool the total system is to achieve a desired outcome." So basically, what kind of film clip you want to end up with.

Examples
Here a desired outcome could be: A clean noise free "cinematic looking" (shallow depth of field) shot of a person in front of a monument at night. Or: A sharp, high dynamic range shot of a landscape with a wide viewing angel. Or: A slow motion clip.

Aspects related to desired outcomes
So far I have identified the following aspects that relates to desired outcomes (and to the settings and tools that we can use with the Eos M camera):
Depth of field (cinematic look?/ lens and lens settings used)
Slow motion (high fps/post processing)
Framing (crop factor and lens/speed booster)
Image quality (noise, moire, clippings (highlight detail), crushing (shadow detail), sharpness, jello effect, dynamic range)
Image stabilization (gimbal, post process stabilization or other)

Looking for feedback
What do you think about this approach?
Have I missed any relevant aspects?

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4016 on: April 13, 2020, 01:32:34 PM »
Binning modes seems relevant. 1x1 being more or less moiré and aliasing free.
I can't say if your approach will work effectively for most users but go ahead and try.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4017 on: April 13, 2020, 08:17:20 PM »
So, could you please be so kind to tell me what is better for shooting Full HD or around that in 14 bit loseless? 100D or EOS M?

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4018 on: April 13, 2020, 08:31:39 PM »
They are more or less the same, 100D being a buggy mf.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4019 on: April 13, 2020, 10:22:01 PM »
So hey again. If you remember me? A post about flickering RAW video a few posts back.

Someone asked for the unprocessed footage. No point to do that, it is the same before processing. I suspect the raw levels. This "bug" drives me nuts. Dual Iso would be a nice feature, but this makes it unusable. Almost every time it comes out like this. Am I missing something in the menu? Is it something in the factory Canon menu? Dunno

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4020 on: April 13, 2020, 11:10:12 PM »
If you don't want to get your problem analysed: It's your party.
If you want someone to look into it: Unprocessed footage needed.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4021 on: April 14, 2020, 02:39:16 AM »
About dual-iso, I engaged in getting a result without flickering before. I worked with mlvapp and mlvfs without success. It's not obvious for me but it's either how dual-iso captured or how it's processed. So I think dual-iso isn't ideal for video. A plus is shorter post-processing times.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4022 on: April 14, 2020, 11:42:51 AM »
Hi again.

Compared to the features of the nightly builds at https://builds.magiclantern.fm/features.html which features are added or removed/not working in the crop_rec_4k_mlv_snd_raw_only_2020Jan18.EOSM202?

Hope answering wont be to hard, but if I am to go through the different features in the guide (with the help of the wiki) it would be a great starting point to know the above.

Cheers/ Tullen

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4023 on: April 14, 2020, 11:54:52 AM »
Can you find out yourself? Personally I have no time to spend around this approach but it should be possible to dig out info by testing.

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Re: Canon EOS M
« Reply #4024 on: April 14, 2020, 12:23:06 PM »
Can you find out yourself? Personally I have no time to spend around this approach but it should be possible to dig out info by testing.

Yes, of course. Would been faster if someone already knew on the top of their head or at least knew more than me, but I can do it. How would you recommend I check? Just go through the menus and see what's there, what's missing and what's added?