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stephenmick

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Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« on: July 26, 2013, 01:17:25 AM »
Hey, guys! Some of you probably know me from over at 'User. I'm putting together a free User's Guide for ML RAW on the 5D3, and I was hoping maybe one or two of you might be able to look over my draft for accuracy. If you're interested, just shoot me an email and I'll send over what I've got.

Again, this is something that we'll be providing as a free resource for people looking to get started with ML RAW, and I'm hoping you guys can help me make it better.


Cheers!

SM

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2013, 10:40:53 PM »
Anyone who wants to take a look can download the first three sections here…

http://www.dvxuser.com/guides/ml_raw_guide_5DIII_full.pdf

I'm still working on a section of advanced topics and a section about workflow/post.


EDIT:  Just replaced the previous file with a new file (same link) with some tweaks and changes.



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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2013, 10:23:31 AM »
look great.

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2013, 04:23:01 PM »
Hey, thanks Nigel! If you see anything that needs to be tweaked/adjusted, just let me know.

I'm working on the workflow section now.



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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 09:08:03 AM »
I'm sorry I'm not of much help. But I'm learning alot from your guide.

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 05:16:10 PM »
That's great, Nigel! I should have an updated file posted later in the week with complete workflow breakdowns.


Cheers!

SM

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2013, 03:36:19 AM »
Looks good.  It's an enjoyable read and should help a lot of people.  Nice to see someone helping out instead of trying to make money off of the hard work of magic lantern.   ;D
all you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2013, 04:44:43 AM »
Thanks for the kind words! If you see anything that needs tweaking let me know.

The workflow section is becoming a bit of a beast, so I may not have that posted until later this week, so check the Canon FF forum at DVX for updates on the Guide. I'll also post a note here when an updated file is available.



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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2013, 05:18:09 AM »
My god, a wonderful and beautiful guide. I learned some new things! Cannot wait to see the workflow section. BTW do you what the numbers mean on the histogram? Like 0.6, -0.8, etc. I know it's for ETTR but I don't know what I'm supposed to do with those numbers. :(

I'd love to hear your suggestion on proxies/XML/most optimal workflow.

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2013, 05:39:52 AM »
 ;D

Glad you like it!

As far as workflow goes, I think it just depends on what you're comfortable with. If you have more of a still photography background, then going from RAW2DNG (or similar) to Lightroom for processing, then into the editor of your choice, is one way to go.

Personally, the workflow I use and recommend, is to go from RAW2DNG/RAWMagic directly into Resolve, make your baseline/LUT corrections, then export clips and XML for editing. Obviously there's more to it than that, and it really depends on how well you know Resolve, but it's free, and it's the industry standard, so learning how to use it has definite benefits.

Oh, and if I'm reading your question correctly, the numbers you see are exposure "hints," telling you how far off from "correct" exposure the system thinks you are. You can turn off the "hints" in the ML menu system, if you don't want them.


Cheers!

SM

My god, a wonderful and beautiful guide. I learned some new things! Cannot wait to see the workflow section. BTW do you what the numbers mean on the histogram? Like 0.6, -0.8, etc. I know it's for ETTR but I don't know what I'm supposed to do with those numbers. :(

I'd love to hear your suggestion on proxies/XML/most optimal workflow.

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2013, 03:05:21 AM »
I've just posted an updated PDF (same link above) that includes a quick-start guide for the 5D2, as well as a complete step-by-step install guide for the 5D2.

Sorry for the delay on the workflow section. It's taking longer than originally anticipated. :D

Bernardo Segura

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2013, 04:40:25 AM »
Thank you!!! ;D

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2013, 10:33:54 AM »
We are waiting for your awesome pdf guide!!!!So far it looks top notch.Thanks a lot for your effort m8.

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2013, 03:54:37 PM »
Thanks again for the kind words, guys!

The workflow stuff is taking so much longer, simply because there are a lot of images to capture. So please, bear with me.

But in the meantime, there's (hopefully) a lot of good info in the current PDF (linked above) to get you started.


SM

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2013, 03:14:10 AM »
Hope the update comes out soon  :)

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2013, 03:22:07 PM »
I'm hoping to have it posted by Monday. (Full disclosure…I'm on vacation right now, and I've checked out of all things video for the next few days. :D)

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2013, 06:29:24 AM »
Excelent Work! Better than any Canon Manual!

I thinks the FPS Override is not clear - as always here in the forum. (Sorry)
Like ETTR or the post processing of DUAL ISO - work in ACR one frame, apply the same to the other, with out flickering.
Export to Pro Res, wich Pro Res.

I'm not sure of this, but I think the major people here - and in video - are working on Mac or going to work on Mac - or Hackintosh. I'm not sure. Some software like ACR is the same for both, but not DaVinci or Final Cut X as you know.

Very good work! Very clean and optimist!




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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2013, 08:10:11 AM »
Excelent Work! Better than any Canon Manual!

I thinks the FPS Override is not clear - as always here in the forum. (Sorry)
Like ETTR or the post processing of DUAL ISO - work in ACR one frame, apply the same to the other, with out flickering.
Export to Pro Res, wich Pro Res.

I'm not sure of this, but I think the major people here - and in video - are working on Mac or going to work on Mac - or Hackintosh. I'm not sure. Some software like ACR is the same for both, but not DaVinci or Final Cut X as you know.

Very good work! Very clean and optimist!
I'm on PC.

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2013, 05:42:00 AM »
Sorry for the delay, but the new version of the Guide should be posted by Friday.

Mei Lewis

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2013, 09:12:09 AM »
I'm not sure of this, but I think the major people here - and in video - are working on Mac or going to work on Mac - or Hackintosh. I'm not sure. Some software like ACR is the same for both, but not DaVinci or Final Cut X as you know.

From my experience, a higher proportion of video people use macs than the general population, but there are still probably more people on PC doing video stuff.

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2013, 04:35:51 AM »
I've updated the guide with the new workflow section. (The same link above should still work.)

The workflow guide focuses mainly on Resolve, but also has information about initial processing, Adobe Lightroom, and a few other bits and pieces. Enjoy!

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2013, 04:58:04 AM »
Hi I was looking for something just like this and so far the guide is awesome :) thanks for your time and effort! I was wondering though the update can't be seen from the link you posted earlier. Or am I not seeing it? When I last checked a week ago it was 54 pages and it's still the same. If you could kindly update the link I'd appreciate it. Thanks again. Cheers.

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2013, 05:04:11 AM »
Hey! I just checked the link and the new Guide is showing up properly for me. Not sure what's going on with your browser. The way to tell if it's updated is to check the version and date on page one. When I download the file, it shows the correct info, which is…

Version 2.0.1
Date 8.16.13

Cheers!

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2013, 05:04:47 AM »
Never mind. I see it now. Thanks again!

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2013, 02:34:31 PM »
Thank you Stephen it looks fantastic!
I am new to this business and your work is just what I needed.
Well done!
Cheers,
Ofer

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2013, 04:36:27 PM »
Glad you like it, and thanks for the kind words!


Just remember that this is a work in progress, and if you see something that needs tweaking, let me know. If you want to help create a section on another topic, let me know. The idea is that like ML's work, this is a resource for all of us to share, use, and improve over time.

Mei Lewis

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2013, 01:39:08 PM »
Nice looking guide.

Some of the language is ambiguous, for example:

"To make your life easier, you can use software to create a bootflag that will allow the
Magic Lantern firmware to auto-load when you restart your camera. "

That implies you don't HAVE to do this, but doesn't make it clear. Does the installation still work if you choose not to make the cards bootable? - should say that in the guide.

Mei Lewis

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2013, 02:03:10 PM »
Another ambiguity:

"3. Make your Compact Flash and/or SD cards “bootable” by
using one of the pieces of software below. "


Which one should I make bootable, the Compact Flash or the SD or both? Do I get exactly the same results in any case?
That sentence suggests it would be okay to make the CF card bootable, but not the SD card where Magic Lantern is stored. That can't be right can it?

Mei Lewis

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2013, 02:15:33 PM »
And the instructions in the guide simply don't work for me. Specifically

"5. In the appropriate Canon sub-menu, select “firmware
update.”
6. Once the process is completed, power down and restart
your camera. You should see a quick internal “check” of the
internal memory cards run by the ML firmware."

When I power down and restart my camera the Ml firmware is gone. If I try to access it without powering down, the trash button does nothing, but ML is listed as the current firmware under the firmware update option.

Strangely enough the SET button is disabled too.


Mei Lewis

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2013, 04:07:38 PM »
Sorry if that all sounds a bit negative, it's not meant to be. It's a great idea to make this user guide and it looks great. I'd just like it to be as simple and clear as possible. If you want me to make a video of the way in which it fails I can.

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2013, 08:47:45 PM »
It depends on what camera you're using. On the 5DIII, you can use either the CF or SD card. On the 5DII, you don't have a choice.

This Guide was written largely with the 5DIII in mind, but we wanted to make it as "open" to other model cameras as possible.




Another ambiguity:

"3. Make your Compact Flash and/or SD cards “bootable” by
using one of the pieces of software below. "


Which one should I make bootable, the Compact Flash or the SD or both? Do I get exactly the same results in any case?
That sentence suggests it would be okay to make the CF card bootable, but not the SD card where Magic Lantern is stored. That can't be right can it?

stephenmick

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Re: Free User Guide for 5D3 - Need Some Help
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2013, 08:48:45 PM »
Which model camera are you using? What's your current Canon firmware version?


And the instructions in the guide simply don't work for me. Specifically

"5. In the appropriate Canon sub-menu, select “firmware
update.”
6. Once the process is completed, power down and restart
your camera. You should see a quick internal “check” of the
internal memory cards run by the ML firmware."

When I power down and restart my camera the Ml firmware is gone. If I try to access it without powering down, the trash button does nothing, but ML is listed as the current firmware under the firmware update option.

Strangely enough the SET button is disabled too.