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AnotherDave

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Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« on: June 20, 2013, 01:28:52 AM »
So... what solutions are out there for transferring and backing up media out in the field?

I'm looking for a dock-type device that doesn't require any more power than what is provided from either the USB 3.0 or Firewire 800 port.

What are you'all using?

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2013, 02:52:13 AM »
Probably not going to be much help as I don't know the names or anything.

Philip bloom uses a tool which is just about the shape and size of an external hard drive, you simply put your cf card in and it transfers all of the data directly onto the drive. You can then put it back into the cam and delete the media off the card. No computer needed. Check Philips site for further info. I could be wrong, but I think it's battery operated. No wires(except when charging

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 05:14:59 AM »
For max portability without a laptop, you can buy a device like aaphotog recommended (e.g. Hyperdrive).

I'm planning to use a Nexus tablet with a USB hub to transfer between CF and USB hard drive. It's a cheap solution, but the downside is that most if not all Android devices are USB 2.0, meaning slow transfer speeds... Not so great when transferring raw video files. This will be a viable option once USB 3.0 becomes more common.

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 01:08:59 PM »
I use this and it's very convenient.
http://www.nextodi.com/product/en_nd2730.html

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2013, 01:49:40 PM »
It doesn't have to be something that doesn't require a laptop.  To be honest... you can get a netbook with USB 3.0 ports that is faster than these CF hard drives and a bit cheaper.

I just meant is there a hot swappable drive cassis that people are using?

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 09:08:59 PM »
Is anyone using ML Raw religiously enough to necessitate one of these in the field? How's the battery life on these things?

I was going to wait for the CF -> some sort of storage developments, but this makes me want to jump on starting to shoot raw now

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I use the Sanho Hyperdrive Colorspace UDMA 2, it is their latest version and can read the high speed and high capacity SD and CF cards with their latest firmware update.  The user interface is not as friendly as an Apple product, but after messing with it for 20 minutes before my trip it was a snap.  It has an LCD which allows you review the photos after they are transferred (for confirmation).  The LCD is not a touch screen UI, the controls are four buttons + four direction toggle switch w/ center button.  I used it on my recent trip to the 24 Hours of Le Mans and it worked flawlessly.  I bought the unit used ( no media) on ebay and added a 1 TB drive from amazon, install was super easy. That was much cheaper than buying the unit w/media from Sanho.
It has a good sized internally battery and did not let me down ( I downloaded photos  from my cards 3-4X  each day).  It does have a DC jack that can also be charged with one of those snow leopard or other battery packs used for reserve power and charging if needed. 

The only recommendation I have is to purchase a carry case to give it more protection when carrying it around in case of drop due to using spinning media.
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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 04:57:14 PM »
You're better off with a USB 3.0 netbook and 2TB USB 3.0 hard drive.

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 05:24:53 PM »
Went with 1TB USB 3.0 drive for immediate DL, and USB 3.0 drive dock with 2 x 4TB bare drives for backup.  It all went fairly smoothly.

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 07:54:06 PM »
Went with 1TB USB 3.0 drive for immediate DL, and USB 3.0 drive dock with 2 x 4TB bare drives for backup.  It all went fairly smoothly.

I did enjoy your last creation, links to the items you used in this post?

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2013, 10:47:04 AM »
Hi, I use two different devices. Archos 5 with 250Gb HDD and an Archos 48 with 500Gb HDD. These were both manufactured by a company called Archos (they have now gone into the tablet market). Although they are both USB 2.0 they are able to store lots of data but unfortunately neither are still in production. However if you check eBay you can still find new Archos 48 and plenty of SH Archos 5 about

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013, 08:57:38 PM »
Does the archos see the cf card when plug into it via USB so u can drag files off  then

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2013, 10:05:52 AM »
Did anybody have the possibility to try NextoDI Extreme ND2730 for raw (or mlv) files backup?
I am worrying if this has ability to "see" such formats and just copy them. 1TB costs around 320 pounds on amazon, if it is fast enough maybe it would be good alternative for buying more CF cards.
Just have two cards - one in camera, second in NEXTO.
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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2013, 08:46:44 PM »
I use a WD 2TB HDD USB 3.0, Lexar Card Reader USB 3.0, Windows Surface Pro (USB 3.0), and Orico 4-Port USB 3.0 4-port hub. All running at USB 3.0 so, a 64 GB card can download to my external hard drive in 8-10 min and it can hold about 4+ hours of footage. I have two 64 GB cards so I can swap while one is being transfered. A 64 GB card holds about 8-10 min so, it works out just fine for time effeciency. I have tried to use BATCHelor while off loading my footage and compress it to 'lossy' (cuts the size in almost half and converts to .dng) which I have yet to see any difference in quality, but it is too slow. I save that for when I get back to my desk. I haven't had a project where I require 4+ hrs of footage in the feild in one day but, just have extra hard drives and use the open slots on the hub. Also, this method runs on batteries! No external power source required, just watch your bettery life though!  ::)

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2013, 05:37:57 PM »
I have just ordered nexto di 2730 with 500gb HDD. It seem so be the guite comfortable solution for in-field backup, especially when i have two cards: 32 and 64 gb.  500gb should take about an hour of raw video, theoretically it should offload 32 gb of fast CF card in about 8 minutes. We will see. Current firmware version does not accept files larger than 4gb (fat32) but this should change in the end of september as they promissed firmware update.
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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2013, 08:02:58 PM »
I get Nexto di 2730
 - initial testing -
 offloading 64GB of data from komputerbay 64gb 1000x took about  15min (after copy clock dissapeared, checked again:) 12 min (fast copy mode) :)) . With bit to bit data veryfiing it will take 2 times more. Seems that having 2 KB 64GB cards would give almost continous shooting up to 500GB, 1TB, or even 2TB of HDD space (2TB is maximum what 2730 can support). According to user manual internal battery shoud be enough for copying about 400 gigs (~ 2 hours), device can be charged also via USB so it is possible to use any cheap power bank.   

One problem now is that HDD is FAT32 (so accepts files not larger than 4GB so 1920x1080p 25fps ~45sec). On the NEXTO website there is an information, that firmware update with exFAT shoud be available this month so we will see.


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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2013, 11:05:49 PM »
Today Nexto introduced ND2730 firmware update (2.0) - exFAT is here!!!  :D

2730 is a great device, i was using it in a couple of shots and it was brilliant. With two cards (32 and 64) gave me ability to shoot almost continously up to 500GB (i have such an HDD inside, when empty it shows 465GB of free space). FAT32 only was a big issue, i had to watch out not to exceed 4GB in single file (even one file out of say 100 over 4GB was making card unreadable for the nexto). Now the problem is gone, i checked and succesfully copied couple of 10GB files. Device is able to copy about 500GB on single battery charge so additionally with full cards i can bring almost 600GB of data with me. It is about 1,5 hour of raw 1080p footage.
Nexto 2730 500HDD - ~300 pounds
Komputerbay 2-pack 2x64GB - ~190 pounds

In this way for around 490 pounds we can have 600GB of  usable space. 600 GB in KB cards (9x64GB) is 850 pounds. It is really worth to take this into consideration.
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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2013, 11:45:37 PM »
Today Nexto introduced ND2730 firmware update (2.0) - exFAT is here!!!  :D
Sound interesting but it needs usb 3.o
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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2013, 12:03:04 AM »
Unfortunatelly 2730 doesn't have USB3.0 but firewire and USB 2.0. Transferring via usb2.0 is about 35MB/s so 500GB would be about 4 hours.
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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2013, 10:52:02 AM »
Unfortunatelly 2730 doesn't have USB3.0 but firewire and USB 2.0. Transferring via usb2.0 is about 35MB/s so 500GB would be about 4 hours.
I don't like the CF>>>2730 USB 2.0 speed, but copying from 2730 to PC can be done faster - just put the hdd out and insert it into the 2.5 hdd rack (google:)

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2013, 11:25:06 AM »
I usually copy from 2730 to HDD overnight so 3 or 4 hours is not really a problem. Firewire is much faster but i didnt buy such a PC card yet. Opening nexto every time could be a problem though, i will do it only for replacing 500GB to 2TB is some time  :)
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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2013, 04:36:00 PM »
I would love to run around all day without the trouble of dumping footage on a laptop. This is now on my shopping list.

Then a backup at night. Perfect.
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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2013, 07:37:18 PM »
G-Drive 2.5" Mini! Bus-powered and very reliable.

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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2013, 09:56:05 PM »
I haven't shot much raw footage, and when I do it's for relatively small projects and since I plan out my shots I don't overshoot. I carry a Lacie 256gb SSD connected to my rMBP through thunderbolt to transfer footage from a Kingston USB3 card reader. I also carry a 1Tb USB3 drive either for further storage or for backup purposes.
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Re: Hard Drives for transferring in the field...
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2013, 05:56:15 PM »
I get Nexto di 2730
Update to firmware (2.0) and initial testing

Full card from komputerbay 64gb 1000x took 16min on fast copy mode. Try again with a different card (also komputerbay 64gb 1000x ) and it was over 26min.
I am concerned that it not very reliable for what I was looking for :(

@kgv5 how did you able to get 12min ?  Thanks!