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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2013, 08:01:45 PM »
You didn't really say 2000 hours did ya Andrew?

Of course it was 2000 hours!  Since May 1st!



"I put huge unpaid effort into the site not to profiteer from a community but to help build one."

Right.  Of course having a site for self-promotion wasn't enough either.  Are you going to file a cease and desist if we get together and do our own documentation for ML installs?

I'm all for capitalism, and people can decide if the $20 is worth it to them.  I can't get behind this, but that's just me.

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2013, 08:09:55 PM »
For some reason I got this image in my head while reading the thread


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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2013, 08:12:53 PM »
For some reason I got this image in my head while reading the thread




That's funny I thought of this:



Oh and I'm not a filmmaker, so please don't confuse my criticism from someone that doesn't like Andrew Reid.  I like him and was stunned by him selling a pdf on how to install pre-alpha software.

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2013, 08:39:04 PM »
I'm fine with Andrew selling his ebook. Everyone shall decide if he wants/needs it. As he said, he's also giving info away for free a lot.

It's IMHO completely separate issue to ML donations (they aren't even allowed right now?)

I didn't buy it, I try to find my info elsewhere. But some will find it appealling, all the info from one document.

Go Andrew go, I love reading your (ad-free) blog!

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2013, 11:37:12 PM »
seriously, guys.
is that the only thing to discuss about?

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2013, 11:57:54 PM »
No wonder everybody feels its not right...even when i here ppl say we live in a capitalism world bla bla bla. I still feels like its not right...

What would be right is donate 25-50% profits to Magic Lantern project...now it feels right and fair: you still get paid for your work and you help Magic Lantern. So now everyones is happy and you can feel good about yourself and you get bonus: good karma ;-) .

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2013, 01:23:04 AM »
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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2013, 01:45:20 AM »
Good ol KR.  Always in a dire straight and need of donations to feed his kids!

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2013, 01:56:27 AM »
Exactly.  As I mentioned before, when he first starting talking about ML Raw on his site he was championing 128GB Komputerbay cards, which we now know won't do 1920x1080 perpetually.

Simply not true.

I told my readers as early as May 19th that the KomputerBay 128GB cards are slower. Quoting verbatim from my report:

"The 128GB 1000X tops out at around 73MB/s write and 122MB/s read. The chipset is SiliconMotion SM2236AC. However my 64GB 1000x does 95MB/s write and 120MB/s read."

http://www.eoshd.com/content/10433/which-compact-flash-cards-for-5d-mark-iii-raw-video

I actually bought the 128GB card to test it and I reported here on the forums my benchmarks.

You're a troublemaker Shield, pure and simple.

Regarding "2000 hours", it seems you have not got the intended meaning Squig. All too easy to do on the internet. It is meant in the same way you'd use a phrase like "I haven't seen the sunlight for about a month!". It was hard work!! I sacrificed other work to concentrate on raw video, because I love it. You don't set a stop watch on a labour of love and count the hours. At the same time Squig, you're a member of the EOSHD forum, using my free services, so isn't it a bit poor form to turn around and try and smear me whilst simultaneously benefiting yourself from my hard work in building a resource?

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2013, 02:07:23 AM »
Regarding "2000 hours", it seems you have not got the intended meaning Squig. All too easy to do on the internet.

Since you seem to be aware that an intended meaning is easily misunderstood on the internet, perhaps in the future you can take steps to alleviate that possible misunderstanding.

An anamorphic guide, a GH2 guide or a 5D Mark III guide is a donation to EOSHD.

I've never seen a donation that says Buy it now.  There is absolutely no mention of this guide being any sort of donation to help you or the site.  Just a big blue box that says you can buy it now, at an introductory price and all.  Else, you'll have to donate an extra $10 if you miss the offer!

This thread is clearly not going to go anywhere useful.  Both sides of the story have already been voiced.
If you appreciate that EOSHD has compiled a list of freely available information in 1 easy to access PDF (for a fee), then you can buy it.  If you don't appreciate the steps EOSHD has taken, then I suggest the best thing to do is probably just boycott the site.


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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2013, 02:39:57 AM »
At the same time Squig, you're a member of the EOSHD forum, using my free services, so isn't it a bit poor form to turn around and try and smear me whilst simultaneously benefiting yourself from my hard work in building a resource?

Smear you? Are you serious? I've never smeared anyone in the 2.4 trillion hours I've been on the internet. C'mon when you exaggerate don't expect people to not take the piss. Do you see me giving you crap over your guide? When people make defamatory remarks about you or anyone else on the forums I put a stop to it so don't start pointing the finger at me.

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2013, 02:59:38 AM »
Hmm... interesting thread!

Personally not digging the whole profiteering when you could just point people in the right direction for free part but hey - it's only an opinion... I know it's the way the world works but a lot of the world could do with a big old change. Many people put a lot of time and effort into helping others without a personal gain and it changes the world for the better. Always. Some people do it for money and it still helps. Sometimes.

If people buy this then that's cool I guess :) As long (when asked) you make them aware that this information is freely available to anyone who wants to spend a few hours looking in the right place then fair enough :) To be fair though - you are gonna have to work damn hard to keep this updated so if you are prepared for it being the full-time job it will be then good luck to you dude! Just make sure they are referred to yourself and not the forums for support if it goes tits up and I'm all for it ;)

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2013, 03:11:38 AM »
Ps. (sorry to lead the discussion away from the controversy but I'm interested) Genuine question - Do the buyers of your guide get regular updates for free? As 1% mentioned - this will probably be outdated in like a week (just kidding... but seriously...  8) ) and I wondered how committed you are to keeping this guide updated and how you intend to do so? I think if you were to bust balls solidly on this thing for under $20 then okay - it could be (slightly) justified for someone who wants to get up and running with raw_rec and doesn't want to go trudging through 2 months of forum. I guess it would be pretty bogus if it were outdated in a matter of days though!

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2013, 04:21:44 PM »
 I would like to respond to EOSHD/Reid from his comments yesterday, which were:

Simply not true.

I told my readers as early as May 19th that the KomputerBay 128GB cards are slower. Quoting verbatim from my report:

"The 128GB 1000X tops out at around 73MB/s write and 122MB/s read. The chipset is SiliconMotion SM2236AC. However my 64GB 1000x does 95MB/s write and 120MB/s read."

http://www.eoshd.com/content/10433/which-compact-flash-cards-for-5d-mark-iii-raw-video

I actually bought the 128GB card to test it and I reported here on the forums my benchmarks.

You're a troublemaker Shield, pure and simple.



However if you look at a Vimeo video posted, a reader asked him which cards to purchase.
https://vimeo.com/66033769

Here was his response, and I'll take a screenshot so he doesn't go back and alter it:
"CF cards - go for 128GB 1000x KomputerBay. Yes unknown brand but they just provide the plastic casing - superb performing likely big brand silicon inside."

Still simply not true Andrew?  Or were you just so caught up in your "camera of the day" frenzy that you forgot this little tidbit?



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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2013, 02:52:21 AM »
Charging money for a gude is pretty standrad in photo and video. So I don't see a problem BUT I hope EOSHD will keep it updated as it will be useless next month, things a changing fast around here.

It would be cool if EOSHD would donate a %25-%50 to the developers, as he is marketing over here. I think that would be fair.

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2013, 02:54:03 AM »
$2 is about what they would have got releasing the album through a major label so they didn't do any worse than they would have, plus they didn't have to deal with the tossers at the label.

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2013, 03:02:49 AM »
$2 is about what they would have got releasing the album through a major label so they didn't do any worse than they would have, plus they didn't have to deal with the tossers at the label.

Maybe, but lets all be happy that the developers are not charging us extra for new features. I bet most of us would pay 1K for the raw hack. Again I don't see a problem here as long as it helps the developers here.

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2013, 03:22:13 AM »
How many people here use magic lantern on professional shoots albeit photography or video and as a result capitalise on Magic Lantern and all of the work the Devs do?

*raises hand*  ::)

I do. Certainly on ANY video shoot.

And how many people I wonder will make more money and could get more work form bettering their skills from a guide such as this? I mean - you do realise you get something for your $20 right? He doesn't just cash it in, and take a bath in it while laughing at you all  ;)

I was not at all into the idea that someone should capitalise on something that is ethically and economically socialist BUT thinking about it more, if you can make a living in any way you can to keep on doing the things you love while not having to work 9-5 in a factory or supermarket then good on you! Especially when at the same time you are helping others achieve the same thing through what you do for a living.

Of course there is no denying that giving your time and efforts charitably and for free will always be the more positive option but damn - dudes godda eat and if he can find a compromise for doing both then I can dig it 8)

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2013, 03:37:25 AM »

I was not at all into the idea that someone should capitalise on something that is ethically and economically socialist BUT thinking about it more, if you can make a living in any way you can to keep on doing the things you love while not having to work 9-5 in a factory or supermarket then good on you! Especially when at the same time you are helping others achieve the same thing through what you do for a living.


Don't have a problem with him making money, I thought it would be cool if a portion of it goes to the developers. Its in the spirit of things around here. He did market it here after all.

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2013, 03:50:33 AM »
The devs have stated a number of times recently that they are not seeking any donations at this time.

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"...
« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2013, 04:36:14 AM »
I've reopened this thread for further discussion.

Keep this thread civil.  This is not a thread to personally attack Andrew!

Trolling and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"... Is this in good spirit?
« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2013, 02:36:42 PM »
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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"... Is this in good spirit?
« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2013, 03:04:50 PM »
Just voicing my own opinion on this matter:

After reading the guide myself, I can say that a huge portion of it is unrelated to ML such as raw shooting in general, the post-production workflow as well as cinematography in general. This means that the guide isn't about ML per se, but rather features it. So in all fairness, I don't see why many see an issue with this yet no one bothered to mention the number of filmmaking books & magazines that also mention ML.

I for one haven't been following raw development closely as I had my finals during the last month. For someone with plenty of time on his/her hands, he/she can just browse around the forum as well as several other blogs and collect the scattered info. However, not everyone has that much time, and this is exactly the target audience of this guide.

This may seem 'unfair' on those who contribute and expect nothing in return, however the dude has got to make a living somehow and he's posted several useful articles on his blog (for free).

As everything else in life, you can buy it or you can find the info yourself (which after all is accessible). Same goes for picture styles (some are free, some aren't) and everything else.
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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"... Is this in good spirit?
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2013, 04:02:53 PM »
Andrew is a pretty solid dude.

I think his aim is to compile all of the information in a clear way so more people can use the raw hack.

The ML team has done some amazing coding, but EOSHD is what got the word about the hack "The world just exploded".

People shouldn't jump on him for covering his costs... imagine how pissed you'll all be when someone comes out with a CF to SSD adapter that costs $500...  you know that is coming.

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Re: EOSHD $20 "Raw shooter's Guide"... Is this in good spirit?
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2013, 07:15:33 PM »
Funny thing is that the core ML contributors have nothing against the guide... It's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned :-)
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