Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras

[ted ramasola]

time to update the 7D row of information.

I think its position should now be in 4th place?

[xNiNELiVES]

This guy is afk I think.

[wallpaperviking]

Hi, I did post this in another section but I did not get any replies, so figure I would try again here..   I am brand spankin new here so please be gentle if this is a really dumb question   So I have been following the Canon Raw development and like everyone else here I am sure, think it is exciting times indeed!  Now with the price drop of the MIcro 4/3's BMCC, it makes it both confusing and exciting times ahead...
 
So, as pointed out, this is a potentially very stupid newbie question but here goes anyway....
 
Does the new Canon Firmware that enables you to record to an external recorder have any place with the Magic Lantern Raw developments with the 5DIII?  There seems to be so much talk about recording with a fast enough CF card for shooting RAW, does there exist or is it at all likely in the future to exist, a possibility to record RAW on the 5DIII onto one of these external recorders?
 
Ok, thanks so much, look forward to hearing any thoughts or responses.

[SamW4tson]

does there exist or is it at all likely in the future to exist, a possibility to record RAW on the 5DIII onto one of these external recorders?

External recorders use the HDMI output, and I don't believe that the camera can output RAW data via the HDMI. So, in short, no.

time to update the 7D row of information.

I think its position should now be in 4th place?

Anyone can edit the file - post the data and I'll do it if you want

[ted ramasola]

Anyone can edit the file - post the data and I'll do it if you want

I used to. I made several inputs on the 5d mkII row, It seems locked now. Probably due to lots of wrong entries.

[wallpaperviking]

Hi SamW4tson,

Thanks for that, I thought that may be the case as someone else would have mentioned it already

Thanks again.

[Dreadas]

5d2 max is not at 1080p . It is 1880x1058 at 16:9 and its only at around 349ish frames.

Max stable and continuous is 1880 x 854 at 2.20:1.

Max stable and continuous at 16:9 ratio is 1720 x 968.

Is this still the case... and how many min is this?
How long can you shoot on the camera in one take?

[ted ramasola]

Is this still the case... and how many min is this?
How long can you shoot on the camera in one take?

With the current build for the 5D2 that is dated aug 9 compiled by a.d.

The highest possible res to record is at
1880x1058 16:9 = 1049 approx frames

Highest continuous recording is at
1880 x 940 2:1 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest 16:9 continuous recording is at
1728 x 972 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest res in crop mode is at
2144 x 1076 = 358 approx frames

near full HD res in crop mode is at
1920 x 1076 = 1223 approc frames

Highest 16:9 continuous recording in crop mode is at
1856 x 1044 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

[xNiNELiVES]

With the current build for the 5D2 that is dated aug 9 compiled by a.d.

The highest possible res to record is at
1880x1058 16:9 = 1049 approx frames

Highest continuous recording is at
1880 x 940 2:1 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest 16:9 continuous recording is at
1728 x 972 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest res in crop mode is at
2144 x 1076 = 358 approx frames

near full HD res in crop mode is at
1920 x 1076 = 1223 approc frames

Highest 16:9 continuous recording in crop mode is at
1856 x 1044 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Thanks for updating this.

[ZeGerman]

What happened to the audio? In the earlier builds it was possible to record a seperate wav file while recording raw but now it's gone? Any chance of it coming back or any alternatives?

[David J. Fulde]

Hey, so looking at the google Doc and my own tests I learned something:
By setting the resolution to 720P 60FPS, and using the FPS Override to 23.976 we can shoot at a whopping 1280X388 (2.35:1) on the 550D instead of the 'official' 960X540
holy. shit.

It seems that you need to 'warm up' the card a bit to do this, but I will do some more tests and get some sample footage out for you all by monday(ish) MAYBE tomorrow.

[BrotherD]

Hey, so looking at the google Doc and my own tests I learned something:
By setting the resolution to 720P 60FPS, and using the FPS Override to 23.976 we can shoot at a whopping 1280X388 (2.35:1) on the 550D instead of the 'official' 960X540
holy. shit.

It seems that you need to 'warm up' the card a bit to do this, but I will do some more tests and get some sample footage out for you all by monday(ish) MAYBE tomorrow.

David, this sounds interesting! How would 1280x388 change, as far as resizing in post, if I use my 1.33 anamorphic lens (Panasonic LA 7200)? 

[David J. Fulde]

David, this sounds interesting! How would 1280x388 change, as far as resizing in post, if I use my 1.33 anamorphic lens (Panasonic LA 7200)? 

I should note that the actual resolution ends up being 1280X581 after you stretch it from the original 1280X388

And BrotherD I have absolutely no idea, I've never used anamorphic lenses and, therefore, have little real world knowledge on them

is a link to a short, not great, comparison video I did (I tried to account for the crop with a zoom lens and I did my math wrong, which is why some of the FOV are so different.)

From the video description:

"This is a comparison of the MAgic Lantern RAW capabilities on the Canon T2i. shooting at a resolution of 1280X388 (Stretched to 1280X581) which is far more than the 'official' spec of 960X540

Some of these are flipped due to the framing I had made it difficult to see the difference.

Some of the shots are not identical as I changed focal lengths to try and account for the crop that happens when filming RAW like this and, frankly, did my math wrong.

I tried my best to keep the framings similar but.. It didn't work. Each comparison was shot on the same lens, either with a zoom or by moving around with a Prime."

[Datadogie]

How can you get more pixels. 960x540 gives you 21,760 more pixels than 1280x388. With the anamorphic lens are you not just getting a stretched pixel making you think that there are two pixels.  I think the sd card controller can only handle 518,400 pixels at maximum frame rate.

[BrotherD]

Data, are you saying that 960x540 is "better" than 1288x388 for anamorphic shooting with the T2i? If it is not too much to ask, how do you calculate pixels? Thanks.

Derrick

[David J. Fulde]

How can you get more pixels. 960x540 gives you 21,760 more pixels than 1280x388. With the anamorphic lens are you not just getting a stretched pixel making you think that there are two pixels.  I think the sd card controller can only handle 518,400 pixels at maximum frame rate.

did a small test to see how much this matters

http://imgur.com/a/O8Cp9

Long story short: Very little when not shooting with anamorphic lenses

[Repetitor]

Can someone please explain to me how you got the numbers for writespeed on Canon 6D? When I record a video (regular not raw, 1080p in 24p mode), import it to Windows, right click on it and go under details, the video data rate shows between 80000-95000 kB/s, depending on the image and movement in the video. Does this number have anything to do with writespeed of the camera, and if it does, than isn't the real write speed much higher that the 40 MB/s as the table states? Can someone please try to explain this to me, I'm new to DSLR video and especially ML community, but I thought that producing a video with 80-95 MB bitrate would demand a card that is capable of faster writespeed than 40 MB/s. Maybe I'm interpreting these numbers all wrong???

[arrinkiiii]

Yep, i think is time to update this chart

[Pelican]

the video data rate shows between 80000-95000 kB/s

I doubt it. My windows reports data rate in kbps.
kbps <> kB/s 
1 Byte = 8 bit

[JulianH]

but I thought that producing a video with 80-95 MB bitrate would demand a card that is capable of faster writespeed than 40 MB/s. Maybe I'm interpreting these numbers all wrong???

The bit rate of that 80/95 Mbps video is is Mb/s, not MB/s.
95 Mbps = 11.875 MB/s.

Raw video with lets say 80MB/s, has a bitrate of 640Mb/s.

[oleg2007]

Y just did this test 

Here are some data about it:

████►DOWNLOAD THE ORIGINAL FOOTAGE (1.71 GB)◄████
Link: https://mega.co.nz/#!h1sXUY4D!CvnuewhP3p5_1eE0Zh-fBTNJ8IBylXi2Qn5FGTOEGY0

MAGIC LANTERN'S RAW Test.
By: Oleg Litvin - www.facebook.com/oleglitvin

Testing Magic Lantern's RAW Mode.
Camera: Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Lens: Canon EF 50mm F/1.4 USM, Canon 24-105 mm f4 EF L IS USM, Arsat 80mm f/2.8 Tilt Shift.
Card: CF Komputerbay Professional 64GB 1000x UDMA7.
S: 1/47 (ML)
F: Multiple
ISO: 100, 200, 640, 800 & 1600
1880 x 960 RAW (Upscaled to 1920 x 800) -- 23,976 fps (FPS OVERRIDE, BITRATE FW DEFAULT)

NO ADDITIONAL LIGHTS
NO CUSTOM WHITE BALANCE
NO IS
RECORDED IN DIFFERENT THOUGH AMBIENT, LOW LIGHT, OVEREXPOSED, UNDER, ...
(The idea is to see what can ML RAW rescue from random though footage)
DNG2RAW ML for Windows.
Adobe Photoshop CS6 -- 64bits
Adobe Premiere CS6 -- 64bits

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Featuring:
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[frspp]

Yep, i think is time to update this chart

Yes please. For example on 5d2 column "record time at 16:9, 24p, no crop" column it says 1856*1004 which isn't actually 16:9 (1.78:1) but 1.85:1. Maybe also fill in which card was used as there might be differences?

With the current build for the 5D2 that is dated aug 9 compiled by a.d.

Highest continuous recording is at
1880 x 940 2:1 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest 16:9 continuous recording is at
1728 x 972 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest 16:9 continuous recording in crop mode is at
1856 x 1044 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

What's the difference in the last two? I mean they both are cropped, right?

I think I read somewhere that even on h264 1920 px material is upscaled from 1880 or 1872 or 1856 px sensor output, right? The spreadsheat also states same on the same 5d2 column "record time at 16:9, 24p, no crop" as it reads 1856*1004.

[bjacklee]

What is the current performance details for 6d right now? Im planning to upgrade from 60d to 6d but im not sure if its worth upgrading based on the 6d/60d raw recording capabilities.

[DjJuvan]

I have a little problem with RAW recording on 5D Mark III; while I'm used to work in a very fast environment, the default recording on 5dmk3/550D is really quick when starting/stopping recording. Than again, when I work with RAW, the starting time is way to slower, and when I stop the recording, I have to wait to make another start. Like said, I do a lot of clips in production for really quick post-production process. Is there any chance to optimize the code to make it faster to start/stop the recording?

Thank you for your hard work!

[condra]

Great thread. Thanks.

I only installed it today but for now I'm getting the best results on my 5d2 using 1600x900 24p continuous shooting with 1000x Transcend card ...