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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2013, 09:14:27 PM »
6D photo mode + movie mode speeds are identical.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2013, 12:49:47 AM »
Maximum speeds Canon EOS 50D (KomputerBay 32GB card):

1x mode: 1584x1056 (66.9 MB/s) -> ?? MB/s achievable
5x/10x mode: 1920x818 (62.9 MB/s) -> 65.5 MB/s achievable, limited by DMA

This is with June 8th build of ML.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2013, 04:45:47 AM »
Updated 50D to new speed available - 70 to 73mb/s with the new build. Woot!

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2013, 03:15:29 PM »

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CANON T3i (600D) raw video?
« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2013, 06:10:31 PM »
I'm new to this, so bare with me. I have a Canon T3i (600D) with ML v3.2 installed fresh last night. I saw on a video from FXPHD background series (bkd228-class06) that theres a Modules menu that gets you to the raw-rec option. I know that the camera they did the demo on is a 5D, my T3i does not display the Modules menu - therefore I can't shot in RAW.

I'm interested in green screen work for VFX. Any tips regarding what memory card to use and such would be appreciated.

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Re: CANON T3i (600D) raw video?
« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2013, 06:52:20 PM »
I'm new to this, so bare with me. I have a Canon T3i (600D) with ML v3.2 installed fresh last night. I saw on a video from FXPHD background series (bkd228-class06) that theres a Modules menu that gets you to the raw-rec option. I know that the camera they did the demo on is a 5D, my T3i does not display the Modules menu - therefore I can't shot in RAW.

I'm interested in green screen work for VFX. Any tips regarding what memory card to use and such would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Miles

You're asking this in the wrong thread.  In addition, reading the forum before asking would be a good idea.  In particular, you may want to start with the thread titled "Uncompressed 600D raw video" here:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5494.0

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2013, 03:18:59 AM »
Hy guys here a SDHC CARD 8/16/32 gigabyte SDHC 94 mb/s and an SDXC 64 gigabyte 94 mb/s made SONY..can help this to recording 1920x1080 on canon 60D? price is very affordable too http://www.sony.it/product/sd-expert-uhs-94mbs-sdhc-cards

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2013, 06:42:35 AM »
Hy guys here a SDHC CARD 8/16/32 gigabyte SDHC 94 mb/s and an SDXC 64 gigabyte 94 mb/s made SONY..can help this to recording 1920x1080 on canon 60D? price is very affordable too http://www.sony.it/product/sd-expert-uhs-94mbs-sdhc-cards
No, 60D is limited by its hardware and won't go past 20 MB/s anyway.
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2013, 09:20:23 AM »
Nice overview. I think the 50D is a bit underrated for low light at 'average' - I haven't done many comparisons with the 5D2, but in a small one I did, I think the 50D might even have the edge. Will try to do a better test next week when I have both available.


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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2013, 10:33:31 AM »
The following is assuming you shoot in RAW, obviously. The chart says that aliasing is bad on the 5D2, but there is a VAF which corrects the situation. For continuous 24p shooting at 16:9 the best you can do is 1280x720. Since the filter was meant for shooting 1080p I had concerns with 720p having even less lines, one of the reasons for aliasing, and I am wondering if it will help with RAW if I shoot at 720p. I'm thinking it could possibly make it worse, different, but bottom line just being a waste of money. Can anyone shed some light on this/share their wisdom with me? Thank you!

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2013, 04:05:10 PM »
The following is assuming you shoot in RAW, obviously. The chart says that aliasing is bad on the 5D2, but there is a VAF which corrects the situation. For continuous 24p shooting at 16:9 the best you can do is 1280x720. Since the filter was meant for shooting 1080p I had concerns with 720p having even less lines, one of the reasons for aliasing, and I am wondering if it will help with RAW if I shoot at 720p. I'm thinking it could possibly make it worse, different, but bottom line just being a waste of money. Can anyone shed some light on this/share their wisdom with me? Thank you!

You can shoot 1728x972 reliably with a 1000x card on the 5D Mark II.  The resolution at that size is much better than the built-in 1080p h.264.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2013, 05:48:30 PM »
You can shoot 1728x972 reliably with a 1000x card on the 5D Mark II.
It is probably reliable resolution with some particular 1000x cards, for instance my 16Gb Transcend 1000x at 1728x972 gives me only around 500 frames.




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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2013, 07:39:36 PM »
It is probably reliable resolution with some particular 1000x cards, for instance my 16Gb Transcend 1000x at 1728x972 gives me only around 500 frames.

Sure.  There are plenty of threads about recommended cards.  With the 32G Lexar cards I'm using in my 5D Mark II, 1728x972 has been about 95% reliable up to around 2 minutes and I haven't tried recording much longer than that (no reason to try, really), but at 2 minutes it had spanned at least once and the buffer was still looking fine (hovering between 1-2 *) so I'd expect it to keep spanning OK.
Even if you can't push 1728x972, I'd imagine that you could still push 1600x900 which is still at least a bit better than 1280x720 - especially if you crank your stills quality down to jpeg.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #63 on: June 13, 2013, 09:46:05 PM »
Even if you can't push 1728x972, I'd imagine that you could still push 1600x900 which is still at least a bit better than 1280x720
Yes, 1600x900 is stable in my case, and it's MUCH better than 1280x720 especially in terms of details in shadows, noise and dynamic range.
I also use Tokina 11-16 EF-S, it helps to avoid issue with cropping on lower resolutions, so even at 1600x900 I still have a full wide angle.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #64 on: June 15, 2013, 08:59:53 AM »
I made some corrections to the 5D2 entry based on new tests I did today with a 32gig 1000x lexar and recording to fill up cf card.

The max 24P resolution than goes continuous and stable is not 1728x972 16:9 but 1880 x854 2.20:1.

1728x972 could only get between 6,500 - 7,100 frames, I could push it higher with GD=OFF, FPS over ride=23.976, preview=Hacked I could achieve 10,000 frames approx. This is already 7 minutes of footage and nears the capacity of the CF card. File size is approx 27.7 gig.

1880x854 fills card till full at 29.7 gig (31,930,872,768 bytes).

Also, Max Resolution in crop mode is slightly higher with 2152x1078 instead of 2144, this is achieved by selecting 2240, and since ML menu says its not possible it automatically gives you the nearest possible res which is 2152x1078.
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #65 on: June 16, 2013, 10:57:54 AM »
I'll be doing lots of tests the next two week and will update my post.

24fps / 1920x1280 / 3:2 / Preview HaCKeD / Memory Hack ON / Komputerbay 64GB (128GB does not).
60fps / 1600x864 / 1:85:1 / Preview HaCKeD / Memory Hack ON / Komputerbay 64GB (128GB does not).

64gb Komputerbay 1000x = 101mb/sec @ 19280x1280 = continuous
128gb Komputerbay 1000x = 68mb/sec @ 19280x1280 = 77 frames :(

Looks like I'll be ordering a bunch of 64gb cards!

Pretty awesome considering this is a $3K camera :) This is the best solution for an inexpensive 60fps raw camera. Wish the BMPC had higher frame rates or the Scarlet Dragon was a more realistic price 1/2 of what it is... might as well get an Epic X!

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #66 on: June 16, 2013, 02:00:58 PM »
Since the filter was meant for shooting 1080p I had concerns with 720p having even less lines, one of the reasons for aliasing, and I am wondering if it will help with RAW if I shoot at 720p. I'm thinking it could possibly make it worse, different, but bottom line just being a waste of money. Can anyone shed some light on this/share their wisdom with me? Thank you!

RAW 720 is a crop from 1080p with the same line skipping factor as 1080p. Canon stock 720p is something different. I have just bought VAF-6D and I am going to test it and make some comparisons.
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #67 on: June 16, 2013, 07:10:21 PM »
5D2 write rate with Lexar Professional 1000x (32Gb and 64GB) is about 67.9MB/s.

Thus I'm able to continuously record at 1880x854@25fps (2.20:1).
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« Reply #68 on: June 18, 2013, 09:05:30 PM »
Hey everyone this is my first post on the forum but I have been a long ML supporter and have ML on my 60D. With this breakthrough of Raw video on Canon DSLRs, I have been weighing my options on my next purchase. I was in the market for the BMCC but I really love the idea of being able to shoot raw video and raw stills with the 5DMk3. Also the fact you can shoot up to 3K in 1:1 crop mode is amazing. All the footage I have seen is mind blowing. I havent really found a thread on here after searching for a FAQ or consolidated answers. I have a few questions I am a new shooter still learning only about 3 years under my belt so excuse my ignorance lol.

1.) I've scrapped the BMCC purchase and fully plan on getting a MK3 in the coming weeks. So how many compact flash cards would I need before having to dump footage? (If my calculations are right I would fill up one card in like 7 or 8 minutes). Are people using hyperdecks and ninjas recording to larger ssds seems to be a more viable solution if capable?

2.) I havent been able to find anything on an audio solution this has to to be done off camera? Or can I shoot in camera audio and back it up off camera?

3.) I know its still in its infancy but any news on recording 60D raw via clean hdmi and a recorder. Would love to use it as a b cam if it possible.

Thanks in advance for any direction and advice. I give my complete and up most respect to the ML team for an absolutely amazing job. I fully plan to donate to more development once the funds become available. 

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2013, 10:21:06 PM »
RAW 720 is a crop from 1080p with the same line skipping factor as 1080p. Canon stock 720p is something different. I have just bought VAF-6D and I am going to test it and make some comparisons.

Now I can confirm: VAF-6D works great with raw footage in any resolution with 1x magnification as well as h264 in 1080p.
Besides of aliasing and moire I also finally get rid of color artifacts in raw.
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #70 on: June 20, 2013, 03:32:14 AM »
Edited spreadsheet to change entry for 5DmkII in 30P mode.

Using Jun 18 NB compiled by a.d.

Max res for 30 continuous recording is

1472 x 828 . Tested with 1000x lexar, recording till card is full.
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #71 on: June 20, 2013, 07:07:39 PM »
So, with my MKIII I should be able to record 1920x672 60fps? I have the 64gig KomputerBay and it gives me like 75 frames and then stops. I am running ML off an SD card in the other slot. Does that inhibit the speed?

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #72 on: June 21, 2013, 03:02:23 AM »
Umm... I'd like to test the 6d's frames at 1816x1022 but this resolution isn't selectable. Why isn't it with the digit 5 processor?

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #73 on: June 21, 2013, 06:23:44 AM »
I took off the heigh restriction for the next one.. on 50D not much difference.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #74 on: June 21, 2013, 08:07:22 AM »
I took off the heigh restriction for the next one.. on 50D not much difference.

Thanks, but what about the width, thats what I especially care about.

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