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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2013, 08:20:36 PM »
Well, not sure if that helps, but my maximum continues shooting without sound is 1536x656 (2,35) with my EOS 6D and a Sandisk Extreme 45mb/s
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2013, 08:29:02 PM »
High Jello fast TV works on EOS-M... the other modes I think need a timing change... in line with figuring out correct 23.976

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2013, 09:15:27 PM »
I would t st the max frame amount for the max resolution but in the current raw version there isn't the requested resolution in the options.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2013, 10:56:21 PM »
Max resolution 1920x1080 no crop: 1728x672

That must be a mistake; can you upload a DNG silent picture?

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2013, 11:43:52 PM »
Of course i can.
The way i tested it, maybe i don't use the correct settings:
boot up in video mode -> load module -> changed to photo mode -> high iso => nr multishot -> activated raw video -> entered raw video sub menu -> aspect ratio => 1:1 (doesn't make any difference to 16:9, i just increased that it doesn't limit the vertical resolution but 16:9 wouldn't have limited it anyways) -> choosed highest resolution i could set -> changed rec key to "menu" -> started recording

that's what i got:
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/p1w5v4k36rhfkyh/000000.dng

hope that helps... what's wrong with the resolution? the low vertical resolution? maybe that's because the images are squeezed without crop?

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2013, 11:48:17 PM »
Well, in this case I'm sad to notice the EOS-M wins the first place for worst image quality...

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2013, 11:56:34 PM »
Because of the sqeezing bug, the resolution or the quality of the dng?
If it's because of the quality of the dng... it's quite dark here, so it's shot with very high iso. And the squeezing makes it look even more horrible.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2013, 10:53:41 AM »
Can you do another test? Look in raw video menu while recording a H.264 video.

I still can't believe 1920x1080 is upscaled from 1728x567...

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2013, 12:34:22 PM »
I have been doing some tests if this can help to fill the 6D gaps.

Using [113] Just small Changes.zip with latest H264inis.zip.

Sandisk Extreme Pro 32Gb, 95m/s.

32x7 modules, hack on, and all at 24fps 16:9, in still mode using Raw Video.

1600 x 928 - 192
1665 x 944 - 180,180,180
1728 x 992 - 143,143,143
1792 x 1000 - 121,130,120,130,130,130

And the problem is that with latest build we can not go further on resolutions, it is limited to 1792 width. So it will be very helpful to unlock the limits so we can try to push a little further.

I am going to be doing some more test at other res, and trying to do the same but hack off.

I have noticed what someone has been commenting earlier about not been able to use the aperture of ISO, seems they are locked by the camera and changes seems not have any effect. Is this something that has been done on purpose? Thanx and sorry for my english.  ;)

Any specific tests that needs to be done please let me know and I will try to do them, but with the limits on resolution as said I can not test higher than these.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2013, 12:39:58 PM »
Greetings, I am pleased to report that with my old 500D and a SanDisk ExtremePro 95 MB/s I am able to get 1152X400 @24fps continuous, which scales nicely to 1280X720 in AE with a little noise reduction and sharpening. The Module I used is the tragic lantern, enabled with a bin that mk11174 floated my way. The results look good, although no 1080p, but it is an old camera (which I would trade in a heartbeat for a 50D, which is even older ;-)
Just thought I would report, as I am extremely happy to be on the bleeding edge with the rest of you all. Thanks so much, a1ex, 1%, mk11174 and everyone else that is developing this fine piece of software.
ps if there is something that I'm missing as far as pulling higher res from this camera/card combo, please let me know.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2013, 01:02:22 PM »
Can you do another test? Look in raw video menu while recording a H.264 video.

I still can't believe 1920x1080 is upscaled from 1728x567...

why 1728x567? 1728x672 is what we get.

If i enable raw video and start h.264 recording i'm not able to get into ML menu. Without raw recording enabled, but module loaded, i get into ML menu, but don't get any information about the resolution.
In video mode and enabled raw video (while not recording), i also get a maximum of 1728x672. It says 1728x688 for a moment, but then switches to 1728x672. 1664x688 is also possible.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2013, 01:22:06 PM »
Because 1728x672 covers the 3:2 area, not 16:9.

If you can't get into menu, take some silent pics while recording and upload a DNG.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2013, 01:27:34 PM »
On a 6D, continuous recording at 1280X720 24p no issues, as it saves 36,9mb/s no problems, but  higher than that at some point stops recording.
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2013, 01:36:14 PM »
Updated, can you confirm the other fields? I don't know the maximum resolutions, read them from menu.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2013, 01:46:26 PM »
The resolution of the silent pictures seem to be good news, aren't they?
1734x1158 for 1920x1080
1734x695 for 1280x720

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/z2h2y6xql2blmu9/720.DNG
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/42drg7af0lj1tiq/1080.DNG

Is it normal, that they are scaled up... even into another aspect ratio? Does Canon also do so while native h.264 recording? So recording for example 1472x608 and then scale it to 1280x720 or 1920x1080 is not a bug, but like it should be?

Oh, and might it be possible to record interlaced... Maybe it would be possible to record 1734x975 24i continuously with eos m....

1728x992 12p seem to work  continuously (don't know why ML calculates that as 16:9 instead of 1728x927)... ML says, that it might stop between 400-10000 frames, but buffer doesn't seem to fill up and it uses less then 35mb, which seem to work without filling up the buffer... with 37mb/s it's limited to ~1500-2000 frames.
At least 1664x944 12p is definitively possible. And that should be exactly the same amount of data as 1664x944 24i.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2013, 01:55:37 PM »
Good and bad.

Good: you can get the same video quality as the other APS-C canons;
Bad: we need to figure a way to work around the H.264 (very low bitrate, or some other way to get into that video mode without actually recording).

For now, I don't think it makes sense to post performance data for the EOS-M.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2013, 06:20:59 PM »
That 'table' at the start of the thread is really very helpful and informative - but shame it's not a spread sheet that can be updated.

So can we just recap ...

What sort of performance and resolution can we expect from the 5D Mark II at 25 fps (i'm in PAL land UK) ?

Is it likely that the 5D Mark II will ever be able to deliver 1920 x 1080p 25 fps continuous raw in 14 bit ?

If not, when will we be likely to see it in 12 bit. I'm not sure there's that much difference between 12bit and 14bit - there certainly isn't a huge difference in stills between my 5D Mark I Classic (12bit) and my 5D Mark II (14bit).

The 'table' would also be really helpful if it suggested which cards are also recommend for each camera.

You guys at ML are so cool and we owe so much to you all. A big thanks ... I think we are ALL still amazed at how this raw feature is evolving.

A big thanks to all involved.  ;D




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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2013, 06:30:30 PM »
It's not likely to get 1920 x 1080p because the sensor is sampled at a lower resolution (1880). It's also not likely to get any more speed improvements for continuous recording - it already records at pretty much the benchmark speed.

It's also not likely to see 12-bit anytime soon, because the CPU is very slow for any sort of postprocessing.

The table can be edited, but you need a mouse to click on the link.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2013, 06:54:03 PM »
Eos M is 1728x1151 when in FULLHD/recording, normal buffer is 960x639

720P is identical at rest and 1280x689 while recording...

I need to log what is run when recording starts and run that to do normal sized LV. BTW 650D should have the same problem.




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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2013, 08:36:42 PM »
350 frames for a Canon 5D M2 just double checking here - is that right? Only 10 + seconds of footage possible? Sorry, I'm not a techie.
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2013, 09:19:11 PM »
You'll get more frames with lower resolution or frame rate. Check the column "Max res for 24p continuous rec". You can continuously record 24 fps 1728x972 with 5d m2.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2013, 09:39:05 PM »
Thanks A1ex for the info - not to mention all your hard work !

I've only just downloaded ML and am having a play. Once i get it working properly i'll be more than happy to make a gratuitous donation !  ;D

However, I'm in PAL land UK, if i want 25fps, 14bit continuous raw recording, can i set 1600 x 900 pixels in ML and upsize to standard 1920 x 1080 HD proportions ? I know it's not perfect but i'm guessing the quality will still be far superior to Canon h.264 Cinestyle video and my 5D2 is 5 years old  ! ;)

Is there still a 4Gb file limit for converting raw to dng with Macs ?

So for a 5D2, i just need a CF card that writes at 65mb/s - is there any size / make you would recommend ?

Is the ML current build pretty safe and useable now as i'm not much of a techie and not sure whether to wait a little longer ! ;D

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2013, 12:38:04 PM »
Right now the spread sheet states 5D3 CF write speed as 100.
I assume that is referring to Photo Mode? As a1ex has stated in Reply#3 that in video mode is only 90.
May need some clarification on that.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2013, 12:56:29 PM »
I did not say 90.000 ;)

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2013, 01:03:35 PM »
Speed: 5D3 has around 90 (100+ is only in photo mode)

ah, I thought you said around 90? typo?
sorry about that if I misquoted you.


ah, never mind, I see your point  :)