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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3350 on: September 12, 2013, 08:50:17 PM »


Nice results, and i can kill the moire a little. Try it by yourself using this settings, thanks.  I want to see more tests.)

p.s.: thanks for the dng file
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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3351 on: September 12, 2013, 10:32:16 PM »
planning to get canon 50D for raw video (i'm raising money), so i'm here to ask you guys does it worth it? i have some questions
1. is it true that you cant use over 1/120 shutter speed in 24p mode?
2. does ettr work in video mode?
3. does it worth that money to get vaf?
4. can i use manual canon lens?

Answers:

1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Yes.

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3352 on: September 13, 2013, 10:57:36 AM »
Testing the 50D RAW this summer.

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3353 on: September 13, 2013, 11:49:15 AM »
Received a prototype VAF filter from Mosaic Engineering yesterday afternoon. Went through a couple tests thus far... Feel free to download DNGs of the 50D with the prototype VAF...
 
https://copy.com/IOqlwsmWUi8i
 
Thanks. The company producing/inventing/manufacturing the filter is called Mosaic Engineering. They are headquartered in Pennsylvania, USA. The footage is shot in Phoenix, AZ. I am not affiliated with Mosaic Engineering or Magic Lantern other than I'm trying to put the two and two together... In my opinion, this combination is an incredible opportunity to create an appropriate production camera with high-quality imagery and feel-good results.

Enjoy!

...(Rending raw video results in background...) Video samples available soon.
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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3354 on: September 13, 2013, 12:34:06 PM »
Thanks for the updates regarding the new filter.

On another update note, DaVinci Resolve 10 Public Beta is live on the BlackMagic site.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

As always, the Lite version is free.  Haven't tested new features yet, but from the preview a month or so ago, it looks nice!

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3355 on: September 13, 2013, 03:22:21 PM »
aaaand still no AMD support on windows.

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3356 on: September 13, 2013, 04:01:03 PM »
Read up that the new Mac Pro is running open GL AMD graphics cards... Wouldn't this warrant a need for AMD support?

Myself, I just lost support for having Mac OSX 10.7... Can't upgrade to 10.8 because of the Mac Pro's build date. Still though it's a 2.66 8 core with 16 GB ram and a 1GB HD5770...
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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3357 on: September 13, 2013, 04:04:58 PM »
Davinci Resolve Lite Readme file states * OpenCL support for AMD GPUs on Windows
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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3358 on: September 13, 2013, 04:13:27 PM »
Davinci resolve lite also says nvidia driver required... I saw no mention of AMD, maybe its buried in there.

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3359 on: September 13, 2013, 04:43:47 PM »
I think AMD cards are properly supported but I've now got issues with an Nvidia card that has OpenCL. Was working fine on V9 but V10 keeps crashing. Just hope a rollback works :(
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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3360 on: September 13, 2013, 04:57:10 PM »
Solved my own problem :)

If anyone else gets OpenCl errors when starting Resolve 10, go to the advanced tab and enter:

LsManager.3.NumGPUs = 1
LsManager.3.GPUMapping = 0
LsManager.3.GPUMappingEnable = 1

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3361 on: September 13, 2013, 05:03:41 PM »
Alright a report from the field here - shot a promo on a 50D raw the other day. Apologies if it's a bore but may be handy for any thread stalkers like me planning a shoot!:

First things first - the latest versions are getting incredibly stable given what they're doing. equivalent to the red MX i'd say...

I was shooting on 2 x 32GB Sandisk extreme 60mbs (these were fine for the 50D's sizes up to a point, I was shooting 720p or just above to make sure I wasn't burning through cards at a silly rate) & 1x 64gb 1000x komputerbay. Couple of idiosyncrasies with both of these cards - first the Sandisk wouldn't give an up to date read-out of available space and would 'pop' the camera when full requiring a battery pull. I'm guessing this was because they're slower, but overrall I head less crashes with these than the Komputerbay, which I guess comes from build quality.

I'm wondering if you could chance a 400x transcend, anyone have any experience with this? If I was shooting regularly on the 50D I think a Nexto SSD backup would probably be a good investment - you reallllllly burn through the cards so something to just back something up immediately would be fantastic. Obviously no duplicate so it'd be at your own peril. Any idea if a less hungry (12 bit?) format has progressed any further? Or if this is even possible...

Towards the end of the day, having shot outdoors on a relatively sunny one, I had some problems with overheating setting the framerate back from 30.4 to 22. 10 minute break to cool off fixed this.

Battery's, I had 6 - 4 old & 2 new + a battery grip. I bought the two new ones for this shoot and i'm now of the opinion that anyone suffering quick battery drain has got old, dud batts. The two new lasted virtually all of the first day of shooting & I fired through the old 4 in another 2 hours. Given that I already have the grip i'm going to shoot on eneloop rechargeable AAs next time, should offer a good bit more capacity. Really, you're going to burn through your cards at a 5/1 ratio to your batteries at least so it's not too much of a concern.

Exposure, no problems. I generally shot under 1-2 stops outdoors as I wanted to get the sky in & I trusted id be able to pull what I needed out of the blacks - and you can.

Having no playback...yknow, if you need to show clients rushes on set then this camera's ruled out. Dont bother with DaVinci, it can't deal with CDNG's out of the 50D - I went through after effects and pre-graded every shot which was a long process but actually a godsend when it comes to editing as everything is halfway there. Given it took me 3 days to transcode everything for editing - this camera is for labours of love, where you have time in post. But the aesthetic is absolutely, hands down, unbelievable. I much prefer it to blackmagic & i'd say it's closest aesthetic is Alexa. I really cannot rave about the image quality enough - beautiful.


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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3362 on: September 13, 2013, 05:42:08 PM »
I think AMD cards are properly supported but I've now got issues with an Nvidia card that has OpenCL. Was working fine on V9 but V10 keeps crashing. Just hope a rollback works :(

Yep. It keeps crashing on me too.

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3363 on: September 13, 2013, 05:47:20 PM »
Yep. It keeps crashing on me too.

Did you try what I wrote above?
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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3364 on: September 13, 2013, 06:00:00 PM »
It GPFs on me when "loading surface"

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3365 on: September 13, 2013, 06:06:55 PM »
[OT] Resolve 10's optical flow is pretty damn good! I can do very passable slowmo on 50D footage now  8)

Love that you can set sharpness in the debayer too and it feels like debayering in general has improved quite a bit. Not sure (yet) if it will replace my Rawtherapee workflow but it's very promising.
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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3366 on: September 13, 2013, 06:10:39 PM »
It GPFs on me when "loading surface"

Are you using a hardware controller?

Run the CaptureLogs.bat in the Black Magic folder (program files). It will write a zip to your desktop. Look in the zip for ResolveDebug.txt. Might give you some hints.
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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3367 on: September 13, 2013, 06:21:24 PM »
Alright a report from the field here - shot a promo on a 50D raw the other day. Apologies if it's a bore but may be handy for any thread stalkers like me planning a shoot!:

First things first - the latest versions are getting incredibly stable given what they're doing. equivalent to the red MX i'd say...

I was shooting on 2 x 32GB Sandisk extreme 60mbs (these were fine for the 50D's sizes up to a point, I was shooting 720p or just above to make sure I wasn't burning through cards at a silly rate) & 1x 64gb 1000x komputerbay. Couple of idiosyncrasies with both of these cards - first the Sandisk wouldn't give an up to date read-out of available space and would 'pop' the camera when full requiring a battery pull. I'm guessing this was because they're slower, but overrall I head less crashes with these than the Komputerbay, which I guess comes from build quality.

I'm wondering if you could chance a 400x transcend, anyone have any experience with this? If I was shooting regularly on the 50D I think a Nexto SSD backup would probably be a good investment - you reallllllly burn through the cards so something to just back something up immediately would be fantastic. Obviously no duplicate so it'd be at your own peril. Any idea if a less hungry (12 bit?) format has progressed any further? Or if this is even possible...

Towards the end of the day, having shot outdoors on a relatively sunny one, I had some problems with overheating setting the framerate back from 30.4 to 22. 10 minute break to cool off fixed this.

Battery's, I had 6 - 4 old & 2 new + a battery grip. I bought the two new ones for this shoot and i'm now of the opinion that anyone suffering quick battery drain has got old, dud batts. The two new lasted virtually all of the first day of shooting & I fired through the old 4 in another 2 hours. Given that I already have the grip i'm going to shoot on eneloop rechargeable AAs next time, should offer a good bit more capacity. Really, you're going to burn through your cards at a 5/1 ratio to your batteries at least so it's not too much of a concern.

Exposure, no problems. I generally shot under 1-2 stops outdoors as I wanted to get the sky in & I trusted id be able to pull what I needed out of the blacks - and you can.

Having no playback...yknow, if you need to show clients rushes on set then this camera's ruled out. Dont bother with DaVinci, it can't deal with CDNG's out of the 50D - I went through after effects and pre-graded every shot which was a long process but actually a godsend when it comes to editing as everything is halfway there. Given it took me 3 days to transcode everything for editing - this camera is for labours of love, where you have time in post. But the aesthetic is absolutely, hands down, unbelievable. I much prefer it to blackmagic & i'd say it's closest aesthetic is Alexa. I really cannot rave about the image quality enough - beautiful.

I wrote something about it in my blog. It's going to get a bit easier . . .
http://theindieshooter.com/2013/09/11/native-cinema-dng-support-for-adobe-premiere-pro-cc-coming-in-october-2013/

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3368 on: September 13, 2013, 06:57:44 PM »
50D Prototype Anti-Aliasing Filter Video Test... Available at...

http://youtu.be/0VLn6GzFpzM


Download DNG images and ProRes 422 video of the prototype 50D anti-aliasing filter from Mosaic Engineering at...
https://copy.com/IOqlwsmWUi8i
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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3369 on: September 13, 2013, 07:25:53 PM »
Thanks for the VAF test Levi. Looks promising.

I'm trying to download a couple of your dngs but they seem way too small and won't open. Are they still uploading? ignore - was a Copy error
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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3370 on: September 13, 2013, 09:36:08 PM »
Resolve 10 is out and the pink dots are gone!!!

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3371 on: September 14, 2013, 02:12:34 AM »
Did you try what I wrote above?

Yes. But my system is Ancient - 2008 MacPro 1,1, Dual core Intel Xeon, 10GB RAM, OSX 10.6.8

Same as Levi, can't upgrade to 10.8 anymore and have not found a copy of 10.7. My laptop on the other hand is a brand-spanking-new macbook pro - I'll try on that instead.

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3372 on: September 14, 2013, 07:17:00 AM »
Thanks Levi, this looks good for being the first prototype!

One small thing, can you remove the s from the https in your Vimeo link - it will embed in the forum properly then.

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3373 on: September 14, 2013, 09:21:10 AM »
aaaand still no AMD support on windows.

Not true. It runs fine with my ATI HD5670. Allows fluid grading oft ML dng sequences. Playback oft HD sequences reaches ab out 10 to 15 fps. It's a Windows7/64bit box with 8GB ram, i5 quadcore.

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Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
« Reply #3374 on: September 14, 2013, 01:11:07 PM »
What do you mean DaVinci doesn't support CDNGs? Maybe you should update your software?