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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #725 on: June 16, 2013, 12:14:13 AM »
Hi guys! First I like to thank you all for the great work.

I hope this is the right place to adress my problem. I did not find any useful information in the RAW video beginners guide or with the search option.
I can't run the raw module on my 600d. I installed ML 2.3 on a new sandisk 95 mbps card and then copied the tragic lantern files.  When I try to load modules it says "error loading 'B:/ML/modules/600d_102.sym' : file does not exist", which is obviously not the case. I guess I'm doing something wrong. So far I tried these two builds: [600D] MovedInd.zip and [600D] NewSystem.zip.

Thanks in advance
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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #726 on: June 16, 2013, 12:18:53 AM »
Make sure you place the Modules folder into the ML directory.

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #727 on: June 16, 2013, 09:34:58 AM »
One more 1536x656 footage. Some shots look really pretty ...


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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #728 on: June 16, 2013, 09:40:09 AM »
Upload it to Vimeo (or do 1080 in YouTube)... can't see much of a quality at 480...  :)

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #729 on: June 16, 2013, 11:03:51 AM »
Upload it to Vimeo (or do 1080 in YouTube)... can't see much of a quality at 480...  :)

or so ;)


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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #730 on: June 16, 2013, 12:43:43 PM »
frontloop, it is 12fps + Twixtor?
600D+ TL. CANON 50 F1.8 II; TAMRON  17-50 F2.8 VC; CANON 18-135; MIR-1B 37 F2.8; JUPITER-37A 135 F3.5.

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #731 on: June 16, 2013, 12:44:47 PM »
Thanks !

How were you able to achieve 20 seconds (500 frames) at 1536x656 ?

What are your settings ?
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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #732 on: June 16, 2013, 01:10:28 PM »
@alephone

Thanks! That was the problem. Missed that completely

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #733 on: June 16, 2013, 01:38:33 PM »
frontloop, it is 12fps + Twixtor?

exact. In that shot it worked fine.

@AriLG
Recording was with 11,988 fps. SanDisk Extreme 45MB/s. Then used twixtor in the post.

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #734 on: June 16, 2013, 02:20:42 PM »
@frontloop, thanks.

Are there any shortcomings to using twixtor (as it is, after all, a synthetic process) ?
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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #735 on: June 16, 2013, 02:57:18 PM »
Hi,
at the 600d of mine, it works. But there is one question:
How to open the *.raw Videos on my Windows PC?

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #736 on: June 16, 2013, 03:00:44 PM »
Are there any shortcomings to using twixtor?
Yes. Twixtor and the free alternative MVTools2 (AviSynth Plugin) may create artefacts if the scene has complex patterns, too much detail oder too fast motion. They aren't perfect.

@ BenRott: You have to convert them to any format you want by using a programm like raw2dng or one of its countless modifications.

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #737 on: June 16, 2013, 03:20:53 PM »
@CFP Thanks, but how does raw2dng work?

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #738 on: June 16, 2013, 03:41:46 PM »
@CFP Thanks, but how does raw2dng work?
Drop a RAW file onto raw2dng (drag above it - and release the mouse button). the dng files will be created on the same folder.
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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #739 on: June 16, 2013, 03:55:34 PM »
Hey guys,
a little Twixtor test here :


All informations on the Youtube page .

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #740 on: June 16, 2013, 04:41:19 PM »
The same test in the same conditions, without the zoom x5 crop. I wanted to test the reaction of Twixtor with pan/tilt :


I've made my workflow for the shooting of my short :

- H264 1080p@24fps cinestyle for fast moving scenes and rapid workflow (no conversion)
- RAW 1468@12fps 2.35 for static or slow scenes, or pan/tilt camera with static scenes :
          - Rawmagic to convert Raw to DNG
          - import DNG in AE as 12fps
          - insert in 24fps timeline, with twixtor effect to create in-between frames
          - export in ProRes 422HQ or 444
          - edit in FCPX, export in ProRes
          - Uprez to 1080p (for the parts shot in RAW) in AE with Instant HD

With my tests on my MBP core i7 16GB ram, the Twixtor step is x13 real time, and Instant HD is 7,5x RealTime.

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #741 on: June 16, 2013, 05:32:20 PM »
Thanks again. What Sd-Kart would you recommend me, for the best qualety I can get?

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #742 on: June 16, 2013, 06:05:36 PM »
Good test

Shows almost zero jello from 12p :)


The same test in the same conditions, without the zoom x5 crop. I wanted to test the reaction of Twixtor with pan/tilt :


I've made my workflow for the shooting of my short :

- H264 1080p@24fps cinestyle for fast moving scenes and rapid workflow (no conversion)
- RAW 1468@12fps 2.35 for static or slow scenes, or pan/tilt camera with static scenes :
          - Rawmagic to convert Raw to DNG
          - import DNG in AE as 12fps
          - insert in 24fps timeline, with twixtor effect to create in-between frames
          - export in ProRes 422HQ or 444
          - edit in FCPX, export in ProRes
          - Uprez to 1080p (for the parts shot in RAW) in AE with Instant HD

With my tests on my MBP core i7 16GB ram, the Twixtor step is x13 real time, and Instant HD is 7,5x RealTime.

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #743 on: June 16, 2013, 06:36:53 PM »
I would like to play with twixtor myself, but since some of you finally came back to start doing test, would be bothering someone if I ask you to make a decent test with twixtor?

This time I have to request something like this, now that I got my hand on a t4i, and I want to see how far can it go.

Thanks for trying, happy testing.

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #744 on: June 17, 2013, 09:38:07 AM »
This time I have to request something like this, now that I got my hand on a t4i, and I want to see how far can it go.

Well, I've made some test yesterday, with 24fps 720p and with 12fps 640x480. Yes, sure, 12fps gives you a very decent picture quality. See for example here: http://www.naumik.com/temp/scr4/20130617-vnc-280kb.jpg

But when you have something to move fairy quickly on a textured background - you'll get this:
http://www.naumik.com/temp/scr4/20130617-gj8-256kb.jpg

I know twixtor has solutions for this with manual masking, etc, etc... but it's a too hard workflow already...

And it's not too visible on playback (just looks like blurred edges around moving things).

I've didn't develop all my yesterday's tests, so maybe I'll post an update later today or tomorrow.

But overall I think it's good to shoot slow moving scenes with 12fps, and fast moving thing with 24fps 720p mode.

I tried to shoot my usual style (short scenes, 5-10-15 sec per take), so I've got 1664x704 with 12fps, and 1536x384 (stretched to 1536x640) in 720p mode 24fps. Fairly good as for me.

Here's the difference between these modes:
12fps 1664x704: http://www.naumik.com/temp/scr4/20130617-s49-384kb.jpg
24fps 1536x384: http://www.naumik.com/temp/scr4/20130617-c32-321kb.jpg

Both stretched to 1920px wide using PhotoZoom Pro.

My opinion is - after YouTube applies it's magical compression to it - no one will see the difference (especially if watching from Facebook in 480p mode in little window).

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #745 on: June 17, 2013, 11:09:54 AM »
Thank for your time@vicnaum. The results are just what I was expecting.

But here is something I didn't understand. You said "
Well, I've made some test yesterday, with 24fps 720p. , and fast moving thing with 24fps 720p mode.

Everybody here know that is impossible to get more than 2 seconds in 720p out of the 600d. Maybe you didn't mean it that way and  I misunderstood. 

Have you try this?

This is for those who want to try 720p with a (2.35.1)

FPS 24          (24p)            {16:9}       1280x720 127-150                                         27.8MB
FPS 19          (19.001p)     {2.35.1}      1280x544 277-4125                                       22.0MB
FPS 18          (18.002p)     {2.35.1}      1280x544  expect 525-10000, 277-10000           20.9MB        NO THAT BAD
FPS 17          (17.125)       {2.35.1}      1280x544 577-10000, 626-10000                     19.9MB         GOOD
FPS 16          (16.003)       {2.35.1}      1280x544  Continuous                                   18.5MB          SWEET SPOT


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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #746 on: June 17, 2013, 11:14:41 AM »
My opinion is - after YouTube applies it's magical compression to it - no one will see the difference (especially if watching from Facebook in 480p mode in little window).

Check "T3i/600d (H.264 vs Raw) Awesome results!" in share your videos. watch it at 480p and notice the big difference in dynamic range and color.   

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #747 on: June 17, 2013, 11:20:33 AM »
By 720p I meant the canon mode that uses lineskipping.

By youtube 480p I meant the difference in sharpness between normal mode and line-skipping mode. And it's obvious that the RAW gives better color controls.

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #748 on: June 17, 2013, 12:12:38 PM »
These experiments with twixtor are interesting. I think if we can get as much fps as we can it will be better for twixtor results.

I would like to do a request:

enable 19,181 or 19,2 in fps override menu, because:

19,181 / 4 = 4,795 x 5 = 23,976

19,2 / 4 = 4,8 x 5 = 24

so twixtor will create one new frame for each four existing frames

(it is impossible to get 19,181 or 19,2 changing times in advanced menu, so it need to be enabled in the fps menu)

1088x608 works great @ 19fps so enabling 19,2 or 19, 181 will be usefull

when crop to 16x9 it will be 1080x608, a great use of almost all recorded pixels and probably good twixtor results (19,2 to 24)

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Re: Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
« Reply #749 on: June 17, 2013, 02:08:59 PM »
If you can't get 19.2 with advanced timings it won't happen just setting it in the menu.