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stevefal

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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2013, 12:42:26 AM »
 
Since overlay are drawn on screen I think it would help not  confusing the histogram with mountains.

To be clear, and to separate the question of border from the histogram design; are you saying that you yourself confused the histogram with mountains?
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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2013, 01:33:55 AM »

To be clear, and to separate the question of border from the histogram design; are you saying that you yourself confused the histogram with mountains?
mountains were the first thing I though before histogram, maybe because they go up too narrow, or maybe just because I'm living in a mountain region.
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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2013, 02:07:13 AM »
Thanks. Unless I agree myself, I generally wait for a trend before acting on feedback. Otherwise it's easy to get randomized.

The problem with histograms is that they look like mountains. I purposefully made skinny peaks because that's something that mountains don't usually do.

With respect to a border, I think that if a symbol looks like mountains, with a border it will look like a picture of mountains. That said, I have several bordered versions in my private iterations so I'll look again.

G3gg0 suggested crushing blacks or whites, but unless they are heavily crushed, it could just look like cropped mountains. And I didn't think that showing heavy crushing was the right condition to model in this context. The icon should model desirable exposure, I think.

I will focus on the histogram itself and try to make it look less mountain-like. Inspiration: https://www.google.com/search?&site=imghp&tbm=isch&q=photoshop+histogram:

Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2013, 02:59:11 AM »
About the overlay icon, just my two cents:

I think zebras identifies very well the idea of overlay options, so why not a diagonal pattern like this?




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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2013, 03:19:51 AM »
This is a sort of idea I was having, show the main thing we have in Overlay (used previous screenshot, not in the correct place):

or this a rough attempt at how I was thinking the "pictured mountains"  ;)


by the way debug is good like now, I like the idea
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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2013, 03:44:03 AM »
Here is a new histogram, taken from an actual histogram. I can see that a deep valley and some bias towards black or white addresses the mountain effect.



The symbol with several small glyphs are too small to be discerned, especially at actual display size. I originally had some like that (even bigger) but the detail is too fine for this scheme.

I like the zebra stripe concept too, but a distinctive silhouette is ultimately more easily identified than a pattern alone. If this overcomes the mountain effect (and I think it does), then this should be a popular solution, since the histogram has been favorable overall.
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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2013, 05:20:54 AM »
Hi, stevefal.
tinypng.org   service can reduce your icons by 30%


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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2013, 09:15:42 AM »
Well, it's kinda pointless since we don't use PNG in ML anyway ;)
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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2013, 02:30:07 AM »
Any takers for implementing the new custom ML icons?



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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2013, 01:48:39 PM »
Any takers for implementing the new custom ML icons? This set is posted at http://popspring.com/mldrop/icons7.zip.
I suppose Alex is working on the script to convert them from bmp to MLcode
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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2013, 04:09:46 PM »
Seems to work. You can edit the png files, then run make-icons.py, then recompile.

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/2bc81082585d

The new icons take 2.1K of RAM. Not that bad IMO.

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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2013, 04:15:36 PM »
Am I correct that none of these changes (or other recent changes) would propagate to the the 5DIII build automatically? I assume that the alpha III build is a one-off.

It's just that I'd like to see the menu icons in action before deciding I'm satisfied with them. I don't have another compatible camera.
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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #62 on: January 23, 2013, 04:19:53 PM »
If you compile the code yourself, you can try them right now.

Here's a screenshot:


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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2013, 10:27:50 PM »
Seems to work. You can edit the png files, then run make-icons.py, then recompile.

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/2bc81082585d

The new icons take 2.1K of RAM. Not that bad IMO.
I'll take a look since with Greg we are using icons for dialog options, it could be a good way to learn how to implement them in a proper way since I'm not sure if right now is good even if it works good.
I think that there should be a way to have a file with all the used icons in ML (probably ico.c) and from our code call them when we need, like it's for consts.

And what about 5DC now it can use the same icons as other builds,no?

EDIT: After a first look is not what I was expecting, need to check more how it's working. I remember that on the mailing list there was a discussion about using canon font and icons, is there a file like consts with the GUI icons, since those will be perfect for showing the dialog options we add. So far we wrote them from scratch but they are not pixel perfect, having the same that we have in photo info screen would be better.found it.
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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2013, 02:08:16 PM »
For adding a new icon, check this changeset: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/53cc09038f3d

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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2013, 04:19:30 PM »
I wasn't aware of the Scripts page. I'll make a new icon for it.

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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2013, 06:08:11 PM »
I added a new Scripts icon, and improved the rather ratty Info icon.

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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2013, 02:44:29 PM »
The new info icon is really better than before.
Can I ask if you have the time to think about a Custo-Modes icon for a feat. under development?
This is a screenshot of what I did so far (without bitmap only a circle cut with a square):

The icon is actually showing the III c-mode, they are 5 total.
C-1
C-2
C-3
C-4
C-5
for now I'm showing them with some bars
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more info about the feat here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=4002.msg24532;topicseen#msg24532
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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2013, 06:24:14 PM »
Hello. My two small suggestions. :)


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Re: Main menu design proposal
« Reply #70 on: February 01, 2013, 08:09:03 PM »
Interesting thinking. Keep in mind that the camera display is much smaller than these images on a computer.
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