Easter(pascua) folklore procession 5dm3 samyang 14/2.8 raw 14 bit

[Nick_Andr]

[yourboylloyd]

Nice! That was some cool shots. You don't need to shoot in 14bit though. 10bit gives the exact same dynamic range and quality with smaller files

[Nick_Andr]

Nice! That was some cool shots. You don't need to shoot in 14bit though. 10bit gives the exact same dynamic range and quality with smaller files

Thanks.

[vastunghia]

You don't need to shoot in 14bit though. 10bit gives the exact same dynamic range and quality with smaller files

You mean in this specific scenario? Or always?

[yourboylloyd]

You mean in this specific scenario? Or always?

Always. You get the exact same dynamic range. 10bit vs 12bit vs 14bit is all the same range on these sensors.

[vastunghia]

Always. You get the exact same dynamic range. 10bit vs 12bit vs 14bit is all the same range on these sensors.

You sound pretty confident on this, so I'm assuming that you have performed thorough testing already. However, I'm surprised. Based upon my personal experience (and some tests I did) I agree that in most occasions 12 and 14 bit look very similar, but still 10bit is definitely different -- and in some cases even 12 bit is not enough.

Latest test I've stumbled upon in this forum:

Visual comparison of shadow recovery with the new 11bits option on the EOS M:

Could you elaborate further on your position?

Thanks

[Skinny]

Sometimes you have no time to do 100% correct ETTR especially if there are some very bright light sources in the frame, and sometimes there are just some deep shadows which will benefit from extreme shadow recovery.. So in real world scenarios at least 12 bits won't hurt. That's just my opinion

By the way as you can see even in these examples if you push the shadows you will get mostly a red noise.
You can desaturate only dark reds and only in deep shadows, which will help. And then use your favorite noise reduction with less aggressive settings

[vastunghia]

So in real world scenarios at least 12 bits won't hurt. That's just my opinion

Yeah. Big advantage of going RAW is having a larger margin for error (think of white balance and exposure, of course) which can be corrected later. Restricting to 10 bit looks like a very low benefits-vs-costs ratio to me. One could go for 8-bit MPEG at that point, and save himself all of the pain which comes with RAW workflow.

[Nick_Andr]

Ml on my 5d m3 signals the same bitrate at lossless raw 10-11 bit 12 bit and 14 bit at 1920*1280
~57 Mbps (in ML hints)

[elenhil]

Presumably, because it's lossless *compression*.

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[ilia3101]

Always. You get the exact same dynamic range. 10bit vs 12bit vs 14bit is all the same range on these sensors.

Nah 10 bit is definitely a lot worse. But I agree that 12 bit is indistinguishable from 14.

Latest test I've stumbled upon in this forum:

Interesting find. Never saw that much difference between 12 and 14 bit when I've tested it (both on 5D2 and 5D3). Perhaps it depends on recording mode/camera. May also be the black level, raising it in MLV App might reveal identical results between 12/14.