Do you realize that only too few camera had RAW video capability?

[JOELwindows7]

Okay. Everyone, pls come here. Here here. This is very interesting & very important. So people, do you realize that all these times over the past few years, big brands like Canon (we had), Nikon, Sigma, Fuji, Panasonic Lumix, Sony Alpha, etc. etc. etc. lacks something? Something every essential, that should've been like, How in the world (swearingly), that this feature never been here to this day? And especially,

Why must we make Magic Lantern just so Canon can have RAW Video capability?!

I know, shockers, yes. I've went Vsauce here. But look at the title again. look above.

I mean, all cameras have RAW, all brands there is. Even smartphones too, look at my Samsung Galaxy, it can shoot RAW in Pro photo mode! But... No RAW video? the only reachable to certain amount of people is this, the Magic Lantern which of course a hack. And look at those poor budget artist who cannot buy expensive cinema camera. They stuck on H.264, or worse. Nothing RAW, nothing raw from sensor for video, already destructed.

Now pls collect these videos: Search red raw patent YouTube

• https://youtu.be/__X25Fr2K_M
• https://youtu.be/Z4B3yKwrKvQ
• https://youtu.be/WeM2D1-yTzo
• https://youtu.be/dIpFw96s6Wc
• https://youtube.com/shorts/jj-mHLfvWzE?feature=share

Okay pls watch those later when you have time. Not now. Here, let me summarize.

The reason why, none of the consumer brand had Video RAW support is because... RED. yeah, that bas8888. You see what I'm talking about? Okay, ARRI has their own RAW, but ummmmm mmmmm it's their in house, idk why haven't we adopted this yet, because again, it's haaaaaaaard, I have no idea actually. also ARRI is expensive, and we are budget. But all, RED is all behind this, they expect all royalties no matter what whenever it's about RAW Video, it seems. They had the patent, and this Mr. Oakley abuses it to.... yeah you know.

Now you see, you people have achieved what it supposed to be. adding RAW Video to a camera where it should've been. Amazing Awesome, I'm impressed. It should be easy, it is easy. It did easy. In fact all cameras have RAW capability, but again, RED the bas8888 keeps them from doing it unless they can succ blood to thirst first (Royalty or Sue). In fact many company tried to fight back but somehow judges favors RED 💀.

Now, today I heard Nikon is being sued, for you guessed it, RAW video on the Nikon Z9. Man, Nikon used TicoRAW, but RED is RED, and RED never REST if there is competition, idk. I know Nikon isn't our side, but we gotta still hope Nikon wins, because if not, you know how lack step in tech would we still been. Pls, RAW Video all camera! developing hacks are risky & haaaaaaaaaaaaard!

well, that's all. thancc for your attention. feel free to talk about this here, idk.

by JOELwindows7
Perkedel Technologies
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[names_are_hard]

I don't believe this is true.

The RED patents only attempt to cover compressed raw, in 4K resolution or above.  Even then, the patent is limited to particular methods of compression.  3K uncompressed raw wouldn't be affected at all.

The first RED patent around raw video that I can find is this one: https://patents.google.com/patent/US8872933B2/en
That's from 2012.  The 5D2 was released in 2008, so RED patents have nothing to do with availability of raw video on that cam (or a wide range of other ML supported cams that were released around this time).  Unless there's an earlier patent I've missed?

My personal opinion is that their patents won't be held to be valid as generally as they're trying to apply them, so the situation is likely to be simpler in a few years when the cases work through the courts.

It's completely fine to speculate!  But when you confidently state incorrect things as facts, it can confuse other people.

[Walter Schulz]

I think ML introduced RAW recording April/May, 2013

[names_are_hard]

Useful data point, but the point I'm making is that this original statement cannot be true: "The reason why, none of the consumer brand had Video RAW support is because... RED".  The timing just doesn't work.

[JOELwindows7]

Oh you're right. coz I just found one another camera that can shoot RAW video, it's this Sigma FP that its RAW video format is Adobe CinemaDNG. And taking survey at serveral stores here, OMG, it costs 4 Grands 
Okay, Uhh, don't worry! we got this APK for Android that shoots CinemaDNG (or whatever the RAW Video it would be) for uhh $18, MotionCam Pro. Wait, I haven't tested this.

Also, the... CinemaDNG is not compressed. What I was meant really was.. Compressed RAW, that RED has. And as you can see, no RAW on other brands than RED are compressed, I think.. & say if a camera had ProResRAW, uhh I heard that's because the manufacturer subscribed to RED. idk..
Alright, I should've said

RED has been holding hostage for Compressed RAW in form of their patents
yeah like that. idk.
there is consumer brand that has RAW video then. and it's rich consumer brand. ah man.

ah damn it, so hard to search, I'm still looking which camera had Compressed RAW than RED. forget cinema camera, we're talking about Compressed RAW on a.. budget consumer brand (less than 1 grand). ... uhh, nothing. Look, if you came here & a cinematographer, I know you don't want to compress RAW Video, but uh you see, many of us budget here lacks disk space, but insist on highest flexibility. And that's what we want. I couldn't find it. It's only some here, and that expensive thingies.
Please if you know which camera beside ones that supports ML, has RAW video built in, Compressed RAW if you want, less than 1 grand let us know, idk...

Yep, okay. Here more articles & YouTube videos I've explored

• https://youtu.be/dIpFw96s6Wc Yep, this is ProResRAW manufacturer has to subscribe to RED I'm talking about. Right? Wrong.. What?
• https://camerajabber.com/buyersguides/which-cameras-shoot-raw-video/ I found Sigma FP has RAW video Uncompressed from it this
• https://www.redsharknews.com/red-v-nikon-and-a-brief-history-of-lawsuits This article from last year. Idk if the lawsuit has over yet. coz this one is relatively new & takes long time.
• https://m.dpreview.com/news/9301564383/nikon-denies-red-s-lawsuit-concerning-compressed-raw-patents Yep, it's about Compressed RAW not the common RAW uncompressed, I should've said. TicoRAW's Compressed RAW.
• https://ymcinema.com/2022/12/01/red-digital-cinema-filed-another-patent-related-to-compressed-raw/ Okay this is new, couple months ago. RED filed another patent on Compressed RAW
• https://www.diyphotography.net/red-has-been-granted-a-new-patent-covering-compressed-raw-in-all-video-capable-devices-including-smartphones/ & the copy image says, it was established in 15 November 2022
• https://www.scribd.com/document/611803090/RED-Compressed-Raw-Patent-US-11503294-B2 & here's the scribd copy of the new patent featured. So now it's the Original serveral years ago, and then this one. I think there was another in between idk. I only hear the war is about Compressed RAW that's it
• https://patents.google.com/patent/US8872933B2/en wai wai wait. is this one? Okay, this is one of the earlier RED patens, filed in 4 May 2012. Oh it says expired, and then the new one come above up. Right.. ah yes, idk if this one. Okay look, I'm not lawyer, can be wrong here.

oh yeah idk about the other RAW video like Blackmagic RAW, ARRI RAW, idk.. maybe they're also not compressed, idk.

[Deadcode]

Dont overlook that MotionCam Pro. You can shoot compressed 4K 60 fps RAW with a smartphone.. and the quality is actually insane... My OnePlus 8 Pro challenges my 700D in both noise and dynamic range... and surpass it in detail.

if you mess up the WB or exposure, RAW may save your ass. If you nail WB and exposure, a good LOG will be far enough in any project.

You love RAW because ML developers made one klikk film look for you with MLVAPP. You can archive the same look with proper color grading skill even with an 8 bit log... for much less storage space and for much less processing power.

Why can't you shoot raw with consumer products? Because customers want to have awesome look right out of the box, and dont want to fiddle with the footage. Here on these forums only the 1% of the canon users who want to have more from their camera.