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Grognard

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Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« on: January 25, 2023, 12:07:51 PM »









My latest 35minutes film is shot mostly with a canon R5 4k 10 bits 4.2.2 but i shot few material with my 5D mark iii too
And I prefer magic lantern images. Especially because mlv app give us a prefect cinematic shot without any effort.
Thank you Danne, bilal, Markus and ilia for your amazing work.

Here some 3.5k shots.

https://ibb.co/yNx0Nfj
https://ibb.co/tcRM5dJ
https://ibb.co/rm3zhnB
https://ibb.co/stHxtbr
https://ibb.co/SVhnSbQ
https://ibb.co/KXhks5P
https://ibb.co/bQdqzJJ


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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2023, 03:32:52 PM »
wonderful..
it looks like you are using cinema camera.. 🎥
A very pleasant look with the 5D Mark III
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Bruno Italiano

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2023, 05:17:37 PM »
Wow, I would love to see the whole movie. You really like 5D3 more? I love the 5.7K
 Beautiful how it doesn't look too Sharp. Some of the videos |example; DPReview| on YouTube looks to me over sharpened?

vastunghia

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2023, 07:44:54 PM »
Those stills look gorgeous, congrats. Would be super curious to see your recipe in MLV App.

Mind sharing a bit more details about your ML workflow? Did you grade ML footage only in MLV App, or did you add something in your NLE? Which format do you export from MLV App?

Thanks

Sergio
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Grognard

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2023, 11:05:02 AM »
Thank you ML700, Bruno Italiano




Mind sharing a bit more details about your ML workflow? Did you grade ML footage only in MLV App, or did you add something in your NLE? Which format do you export from MLV App?

Thanks

Sergio

The film is not finished yet. What I like the most with MLV app is that without any effort it can achieve perfect cinematic shots.

So it's not the definitive color editing here.

Here is some shots from R5. I'm only the director not operator on these. I only shots with my 5d mark iii. It has been shot in canon clog3. It could look great too but needs a serious color editing.

https://ibb.co/hXXf7K4
https://ibb.co/Jng7t6x
https://ibb.co/YQ4m6W7
https://ibb.co/1GYkCCh
https://ibb.co/MS5FFJp
https://ibb.co/BnRr61p
https://ibb.co/PZf6GZY
https://ibb.co/5MHP3dq

Grognard

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2023, 11:58:38 AM »
Did you grade ML footage only in MLV App, or did you add something in your NLE?

Only mlv app because it's just a color preview. I've added contrast, sharpeness 25%  and a lut (roll film emulation) 50 %. mix

gabriielangel

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2023, 11:37:25 PM »









My latest 35minutes film is shot mostly with a canon R5 4k 10 bits 4.2.2 but i shot few material with my 5D mark iii too
And I prefer magic lantern images. Especially because mlv app give us a prefect cinematic shot without any effort.
Thank you Danne, bilal, Markus and ilia for your amazing work.

Here some 3.5k shots.

https://ibb.co/yNx0Nfj
https://ibb.co/tcRM5dJ
https://ibb.co/rm3zhnB
https://ibb.co/stHxtbr
https://ibb.co/SVhnSbQ
https://ibb.co/KXhks5P
https://ibb.co/bQdqzJJ

Wow! Which lenses did you use? The texture is very interesting.

Bruno Italiano

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2023, 08:47:41 AM »
Dear Grognard,

I record in 14-bit lossless or in normal FullHD in uncompressed14 bit, to keep the best amount of colour. I then export in uncompressed *.dng and then edit with Adobe After Effects (Adobe Camera RAW).

Examples:




Your Bruno

Grognard

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2023, 08:56:45 AM »
Wow! Which lenses did you use? The texture is very interesting.

Canon L 24-105 F4.
But I also use a black pro mist 1/4 filter.

Grognard

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2023, 11:04:20 AM »

I record in 14-bit lossless or in normal FullHD in uncompressed14 bit, to keep the best amount of colour.

With my experience there are no signifiant differences between 12 and 14 bits even in very complexe scene.

I'm always using 12 bits in 3,5k mode because is continuous (almost in 14 bits)


I used to shot in 14 bits uncompressed when lossless and 12 bits doenst existe yet but lossless is one of the best improvement.


vastunghia

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2023, 12:53:50 PM »
With my experience there are no signifiant differences between 12 and 14 bits even in very complexe scene.

This is very interesting. I did some brief testing and I tend to agree with you. I've always stayed with 14 bit just because I was not 100% sure. Will do some more thorough testing and share it as soon as I find the time.

S
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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2023, 06:29:29 PM »
When someone is wrong on the internet     :P

2 years ago, I unfortunately shot an entire day with 12 bit lossless, not to my knowledge, I had been messing around with slow mo and bits and forgot to reset it to 14 bit lossless..

I didn’t figure it out until I was color grading and I kept feeling that the colors were weird, like Reds would solarize and the overall lacking of colour information was weird. I actually thought the Sensor of my 5D was about to die.

 The biggest give away was in the colors that are close to clipping, like böue sky surrounding the sun, a huge chunk of the blue sky around the sun will turn Magenta, like really ugly Sensor pattern magenta, that is impossible to key out because of the pattern, so you have to VFX that out. Basically it felt like the highest part of the ETTR range lost its color information

 I recommend you stick to 14 bit, unless you are okey with losing close to a stop of usable dynamic range.
once you go raw you never go back

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2023, 07:12:11 PM »
I can't hardly notice the difference between 12bot and 14bit. Would be nice with some kind of example footage.
Do you add darkframe subtraction?

Grognard

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2023, 10:18:52 AM »
When someone is wrong on the internet     :P

2 years ago, I unfortunately shot an entire day with 12 bit lossless, not to my knowledge, I had been messing around with slow mo and bits and forgot to reset it to 14 bit lossless..

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 I recommend you stick to 14 bit, unless you are okey with losing close to a stop of usable dynamic range.

2 years ago... maybe you're issue is solved now.

I use a lot of 12 bits without issues. You can see on my shots that i don't have any dynamic range issue.

The only problem could be on liveview when recording in 12 bits it's a little bit darker with a green cast on the screen.

In crop mode, ETTR histogram also doesn't work so well, maybe highlights were clipped on your shots.

Bruno Italiano

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2023, 11:06:49 AM »
It wouldn't be wrong recording in 14bit / lossless?

vastunghia

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2023, 12:06:10 PM »
It wouldn't be wrong recording in 14bit / lossless?

Clarify “wrong” ???
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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2023, 06:33:43 PM »
I always use 12 bits (with 5D2) and the only difference is *slightly* more noise in shadows, but there is almost no difference really. For example, 10 bits are 10 times worse. But 12 are fine for me... saves some card space.

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2023, 07:06:43 PM »
@Danne Yes, I can. I will post some examples.
once you go raw you never go back

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Re: Film shot with R5 (4k) and 5D mark iii (3.5k)
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2023, 05:37:39 AM »
It looks pretty good film-looking!
Good job!