New Canon EOS R Full Frame Mirrorless Camera

Started by reddeercity, February 08, 2019, 07:28:29 AM

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reddeercity

This might be my next camera ! and doesn't necessary need magic lantern

https://www.canon.com.au/cameras/eos-r
https://www.canon.com.au/-/media/files/canon/product-brochure/eos-r-brochure.ashx

CMOS sensor (supports Dual pixel CMOS AF)
Approx. 36.0x24.0 mm
L (Large): Approx. 30.1 megapixels (6720x4480)
JPEG, RAW (CR3, a Canon 14-bit RAW format)
SD/SDHC/SDXC memory card
* UHS-II and UHS-I cards supported.

now the good part  :D
Movie Recording
Recording format:
MP4
Video:
MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, variable (average) bit rate
Audio:
For editing (ALL-I): linear PCM
Standard (IPB), Light (IPB): AAC
Movie recording size:
4K (3840x2160), Full HD (1920x1080), HD (1280x720)
High Frame Rate movies: HD
HDR movies:
•With RF/EF lenses: Full HD
•With EF-S lenses and movie cropping: HD
Time-lapse movies: 4K/Full HD
Frame rate:
119.9p/59.94p/29.97p/24.00p/23.98p (with NTSC)
100.0p/50.00p/25.00p/24.00p (with PAL)
* 119.9p/100.0p used for High Frame Rate movies
Compression method:
For editing (ALL-I), Standard (IPB), Light (IPB)
Bit rate/Card performance requirements (writing/reading speed):
4K (29.97p/25.00p/24.00p/23.98p)/For editing (ALL-I)
: Approx. 480 Mbps/UHS-II, Video Speed Class 60 or higher
4K (29.97p/25.00p/24.00p/23.98p)/Standard (IPB)
: Approx. 120 Mbps/UHS-I, UHS Speed Class 3 or higher
Full HD (59.94p/50.00p)/For editing (ALL-I)
: Approx. 180 Mbps/UHS-I, UHS Speed Class 3 or higher
Full HD (59.94p/50.00p)/Standard (IPB)
: Approx. 60 Mbps/SD Speed Class 10 or higher
Full HD (29.97p/25.00p/24.00p/23.98p)/For editing (ALL-I)
: Approx. 90 Mbps/UHS-I, UHS Speed Class 3 or higher
Full HD (29.97p/25.00p/24.00p/23.98p)/Standard (IPB)
: Approx. 30 Mbps/SD Speed Class 4 or higher
Full HD (29.97p/25.00p)/Light (IPB)
: Approx. 12 Mbps/SD Speed Class 4 or higher
HD (119.9p/100.0p)/For editing (ALL-I)
: Approx. 160 Mbps/UHS-I, UHS Speed Class 3 or higher
HD (59.94p/50.00p)/For editing (ALL-I)
: Approx. 80 Mbps/SD Speed Class 10 or higher
HD (59.94p/50.00p)/Standard (IPB)
: Approx. 26 Mbps/SD Speed Class 4 or higher
HD (29.97p/25.00p)/Standard (IPB)
: Approx. 13 Mbps/SD Speed Class 4 or higher


This is the best part yet !! This cam maybe  even better then the 5D mark iv (cheaper too 2999.00 canada)
oh yea DIGIC 8 Image Processor by the way .
Time code: Can be appended
Canon Log: Available for card recording (when set to 8-bit) and HDMI output (when set to 8-bit/10-bit)
HDMI output: Image output without information display available
* 4K output supported; Auto/1080p selectable
OLED: color electronic viewfinder

Yea that's right 10 bit HDMI in 4K :)) with canon log  :o
Weak internal codec but not too bad (All i's h264)
Love that you can control everything  from the control ring lens & control ring adapter for EF & EFs .
killer features , read the PDF .

reddeercity

Quote from: Walter Schulz on February 08, 2019, 07:38:34 AM
Did they actually say you can have it alltogether?
QuoteCanon Log: Available for card recording (when set to 8-bit) and HDMI output (when set to 8-bit/10-bit)
so I take this as:  log records to card & output HDMI  when HDMI is set to 8bit but log is only available to HDMI when set to 10bit
for HDMI records @ 10bit 4.2.2

Walter Schulz


reddeercity



Color space rec 709 & Rec 2020 with HDR Video
Yes indeed a big step up , I think Canon being lurking around the forum again   :P

Edit:
QuoteMovie recording time available:
Total approx. 2 hr. 20 min. at room temperature (+23°C/73°F)
Total approx. 2 hr. 10 min. at low temperatures (0°C/32°F)
*With a fully-charged Battery Pack LP-E6N, Movie Servo AF enabled, and 4K/Full HD set.
What the hell !! 2hr 20 min video record time ?
I Never seen this on a consumer camera  :o

Dmytro_ua

Have you seen this thread? https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=22770.0

I'm also interested in this camera. But still not sure if I can live without 5d3 MLV 14-bit RAW capability...
5d3 1.2.3 | Canon 16-35 4.0L | Canon 50 1.4 | Canon 100mm 2.8 macro
Ronin-S | Feelworld F6 PLUS

70MM13

Quote from: Dmytro_ua on February 08, 2019, 10:57:15 AM
Have you seen this thread? https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=22770.0

I'm also interested in this camera. But still not sure if I can live without 5d3 MLV 14-bit RAW capability...

i'm with you...

it simply won't be possible to get acceptable results with even 10 bit 422 avc for intense grading like i do in the shadows.  it'll fall apart...  14 bits raw for me!

but just think how nice this will be when it has magic lantern!

i'll buy one just to help however i can, since it seems this has a more promising future than the 5d4...

reddeercity

Apparently you didn't read the PDF , where dose it said AVC 10bit?
It understood that the HDMI is Uncompressed (1.5Gb/s or 1500MB/s)
normally most are 8bit (consumer camera )but EOS R is in 10bit
Give this to me all day along specially in Canon Log space .
Better then Raw , no debaying ready to grade & edit right off the hard drive recorder .
You can't say that about raw even if you use resolve , still need to setup color space etc...
Uncompressed 4k off the HDMI would be so much easer to work with trans code to prores 4444xq in
rec 2020 , oh yea you have a choice of either rec709(HD color) or rec2020(HDR color) in 10bit
with HDMI only , yes you have to have a HDMI recorder but so much worth it , use the internal "All I h264"
for proxies workflow and relink with the uncompressed 10bit 422 .

I use uncompressed (1.5Gb/s) 1080i60->24p(with pull down) hdmi transcoded to prores hq (NinjaHD recorder) from my canon HV20
I can usually grade (90% of the time) to the raw from my 5D2 with out problems .There's more bandwidth there then you think
specially in the shadows with ETTR , nice thing about the hv20 it have film color space when internal recording is set to 24p.

Don't get me wrong I love raw just like everybody , but in the real world ,
time is so important and the longer it takes -- well  that = a unhappy customer.

4k takes soooo long to process in raw , quick turn around are not very feasible (news & short docs.)
Unless your doing a small or large feature , that's more for a raw work flow.

sorry for the long off topic post , just trying to get point across . :D
   

70MM13

Ahhh, that's a different story then!

sorry i have not worked with hdmi, so thanks for the clarification!

this sounds excellent...  looking forward to seeing it in action!

jackmoro

@reddeercity I had similar thoughts as you, but did you use Canon 5DiV with CLOG or EOSR for real? I did. A lot. Unfortunately I've bring you back to the earth. Video image quality there is nowhere close to 5D3RAW. Add here a crop factor for 4k, keep in mind with crop factor you're not just changing focal distance, but expanding DOF losing that "cinematic" look. 5DIV is a workhorse, you can rely on it, but video image quality and colour are not there if you're seriously looking for it. Also there're so many small things that makes your life much harder when you film with standard firmware. Camera with ML is not just RAW. You either have ML or get Canon C200.

Dmytro_ua

There is no ML ready for Canon 5DiV or EOSR. So, I assume if @reddeercity get either of them, the porting could really speed up. And it's GOOD for everyone.
On the other hand EOSR is more "future proof". It can handle everything 5DiV can + a lot of other cool features.
According to rumors, in a few days we can see the new Canon EOS RP - cheaper version of EOSR + a lot of new cool RF lenses. And hopefully at the end of this year - a PRO version of EOSR.





5d3 1.2.3 | Canon 16-35 4.0L | Canon 50 1.4 | Canon 100mm 2.8 macro
Ronin-S | Feelworld F6 PLUS

jackmoro

Not talking about some real flaws with EOSR ergonomics, RP according to the latest rumours looks like 6DII mirrorless :(

KelvinK

Lens Mount       Canon RF
Pixels          26.2 Megapixel
Memory Card Type    SDHC SDXC
Battery         1 x LP-E17 Rechargeable Lithium-Ion Battery Pack, 7.2 VDC, 1040 mAh
Physical Dimensions 5.2 x 3.3 x 2.8" / 132.1 x 83.8 x 71.1 mm
Weight         1.07 lb / 485 g

Built-in 0.39 inch, 2.36 million dot Electronic Viewfinder with Touch-and-Drag AF
Vari-Angle LCD touchscreen
4K UHD 24P/Full HD 60p video recording with 4K time-lapse shooting and the ability to extract still images from 4K video recordings
ISO range of 100-25,600 that is expandable up to ISO of 102,400

retail price of $1299.00 for the body

for the price (mostly), if you don't own other system camera, this might be ok camera

4k crop reduced a bit to 1.6x from 1.74x, but no Canon Log (all other fake logs dont' expand DR at all), no 30p in 4k (can't do sort of slow-mo with 80%)

4k IPB only :(( LOL
FHD IPB only also.. wtf?
6D - 5D - NEX - M50!


KelvinK

6D - 5D - NEX - M50!

Walter Schulz

Quote from: KelvinK on February 14, 2019, 02:03:33 PM
just checked full specs, they claim UHS-II

My wrong! Corrected it!

But look up this one:
Number of pics (according to CIPA): 250? 100D is rated for 380 ...

KelvinK

literally what we can see: canon for the first time trying to get market with aggressive retail price of new camera?
6D - 5D - NEX - M50!

KelvinK

Quote from: Walter Schulz on February 14, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
My wrong! Corrected it!

But look up this one:
Number of pics (according to CIPA): 250? 100D is rated for 350 ...

well, looks like what they had to pay for low cost of camera and weight. it was 370 for the Canon R
and 250 well, that's not much at all
6D - 5D - NEX - M50!

Walter Schulz

CIPA-cycle is not undisputed (to put in friendly wording). Do you have any information if cam can be powered by external USB power bank?

KelvinK

Quote from: Walter Schulz on February 14, 2019, 02:16:29 PM
CIPA-cycle is not undisputed (to put in friendly wording). Do you have any information if cam can be powered by external USB power bank?

doubt there's any adaptor yet, because this type of battery was used before in pretty amateurs cameras.
6D - 5D - NEX - M50!

Walter Schulz

Misunderstanding: EOS R is able to charge battery in cam with optional PD-E1 adapter connected to USB port. But - according to manual p. 576 - it's not possible to operate the cam while charging.
Don't expect this to change in RP.

EDIT: Really, Canon? "To protect batteries and keep them in optimal condition, do not charge continuously for more than 24 hours". Not able to handle Li-ion loading properly? This is not what I call decent engineering! Damn!

jackmoro

They didn't add Canon's main selling point for video - DAF in 4k.
They didn't add 24p in FHD.

Unfortunately, miracle didn't happen - this camera has no life as videocamera.

Still, it's might be great FF mirrorless photocamera.


Walter Schulz

Well, we all know Canon's sensor tech has some lessons to learn when it comes to noise in high-ISO country (you can find more harsh words without being wrong).
But what could be learned by comparing an ISO-less sensor with Canon's not-so-ISOless after blowing the living hell out of it? The result is predictable.
Am I wrong?

M50 performance makes me wonder, though.


Greg

Quote from: Dmytro_ua on March 05, 2019, 07:32:16 PM
These 4 candidates seems to be more interesting (as ML has nothing common with Nikon):
Nikon has more features, focus stacking, n-log 10bit video, etc.
I have not seen ML on R and 5D IV.