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Started by lizard™, September 19, 2018, 05:40:39 PM
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Quote from: lizard™ on September 19, 2018, 05:40:39 PM...Is there by now an audio menu in the 700D or not and if not is there a chance it will happen in the future?
Quote from: dfort on September 20, 2018, 04:44:02 AMAssume that the 5D3 is out of the question? It is still by far the best camera for ML and probably the only ML supported camera seriously used by absolute professionals. Most of us here are hobbyists, some more serious than others.
Quote from: dfort on September 20, 2018, 04:44:02 AMIt looks like you're leaning towards the 700D. From your list that will give you the best ML experience but don't discount the 100D or even the EOSM. Ok, back to the 700D, the current Canon firmware is version 1.1.5. It is also my one and only firmware update port to make it into the main ML repository. Any 1.1.4 builds are most likely outdated so whatever feature matrix you're looking at isn't up to date.
Quote from: dfort on September 20, 2018, 04:44:02 AMAn audio menu comes up only when the mlv_snd module is loaded. It does have audio meters but you can't monitor audio from the camera as you're recording.So basically, the 700D is a good choice. There has been some interesting developments on it recently. I didn't say much about the 70D because I have not had much experience with it but it is a little more of a work in progress than the other cameras, though everything here is a work in progress.
Quote from: garry23 on September 20, 2018, 05:05:57 PMI wouldn't ignore the EOSM http://photography.grayheron.net/2017/12/thank-you-sony.html
Quote from: dfort on September 20, 2018, 06:07:13 PMAs far as the difference between the 60D and 700D, there might not be much difference when you look at the specs but the 700D is way ahead in ML development mostly because it has a Digic 5 processor while the 60D is a Digic 4 camera. Lossless compression, reduced bit depth, SD card speed up, crop_rec module and other new features are working on Digic 5 but not Digic 4. Though there is still development on Digic 4 cameras we also need to devote time to getting the newer Digic 6, 7, 8 (and 4+) cameras ported.
Quote from: lizard™ on September 20, 2018, 06:25:18 PMI've heard kit lenses are usually bad quality. Preferably not above $100.
Quote from: andy kh on September 20, 2018, 09:02:28 PMif you do mainly photography, i cant say much coz i don't do photography and i have no knowledge about photography. but when it comes to videography 70D is a hero. others are all kids when it comes to auto focus, lowlights etc. i had use 550D and 650D in the past and they all are kids when u compare with 70D. 70d is a semi professional camera whereas other cameras like 650D/700D are just consumer camera. if you can't live without ML, 70d may not be your choice. now 70D is my fav camera and i wont be upgrading until i can buy a used 5D mark 3.
Quote from: dfort on September 20, 2018, 10:33:16 PMSo called "kit lenses" aren't bad quality especially for the price range you're looking at.I should also say don't discount the 70D. Although not all of the ML features are working on it yet, most of them have to do with video.
Quote from: David_Hugh on September 20, 2018, 11:18:33 PMAnother 70D user chiming in. I got 50fps in mv720 mode at 1824x626 working, but not a coder at all so I cant really implement this in a build - but there is progress!I am saying this because the 70D has one feature NO OTHER CAM THAT RUNS ML HAS. Dual Pixel Auto-Focus. And despite it not being a "professional" feature, you can pull off pretty neat "Steadicam" Shots on a cheap glidecam etc. for which you would otherwise need an expensive follow focus system.BUT. Especially for the pricerange you are looking for, the 700D is a great choice. Most amazing ML video features at the moment and its got that flippy screen you kinda need for videography . As dfort mentioned, 100D and EosM are perhaps the other serious contenders.
Quote from: lizard™ on September 21, 2018, 02:25:50 AMIs there even any 70D developement going on at the moment, as the latest version was from feburary.
Quote from: dfort on September 21, 2018, 03:22:48 AMReally? What about this build on the experiments downloads page?
Quote"The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it!" --Ansel Adams
Quote from: ArcziPL on September 21, 2018, 10:07:03 PMI've upgraded from 700D to 70D and would never want to go back. ML support is great, even for video recording I prefer the 70D. Best reasons: ergonomics (second wheel, AF point selection with 4-directional keypad), AF Microadjustment, Dual-Pixel AF, real-time preview with correct framing in 3x zoom RAW recording, 3rd party flash firing in Live View.
Quote from: lizard™ on September 19, 2018, 05:40:39 PMRecently I came across the ML website (not even sure how) and I LOVED that camera emulator.[...]Program your own camera!Write Lua scripts
Quote from: lizard™ on September 22, 2018, 12:03:09 AMI'm hoping FPS overwrite is coming to the 70D though as that's a really cool feature, but as long as the intervalometer is present on the 70D it's not that neccessary to me.
QuoteAlso as a side question, is there any wifi developement going on? E.g. would it be possible to take a shot and have it sent to a pre-defined server (in combination with the io_crypt module something simple as netcat or any raw tcp stream should be fine, for unencrypted images ssh/sftp would be better of course)? If there isn't something like that present at the moment, would it be possible in theory?
Quote from: a1ex on September 22, 2018, 07:02:29 AMWorking on it, but it's going slowly, as I'm targetting all old and new models and each one has its own quirks.
Quote from: a1ex on September 22, 2018, 07:02:29 AMNo wifi development from my side, as none of my cameras have this capability and I'm not a networking power user either, but Maqs documented the network interface on 6D (likely similar to 70D, 1300D and other models):http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/6D/NetworkingYour request is doable, but it does require some time to sit down and experiment on a network-enabled camera.
Quote from: lizard™ on September 22, 2018, 02:25:38 AMWell, that went quick. I got lucky and just got a 70D that's been barely used for just $400, which is $100 below the avg. for even way more used models over here.
Quote from: lizard™ on September 22, 2018, 12:03:09 AMI've decided to go with the 70D. Better image quality and processor and the shutter speed and continous shooting buffer were my main points and I think it's worth the extra money as I usually keep and use things like that for many years.
Quote from: lizard™ on September 22, 2018, 02:25:38 AMI'm also wondering if there are big differences between kit lenses for older cameras like the 350D and newer ones, like the 70D for example. Those older ones are dirt cheap ($20)
Quote from: lizard™ on September 22, 2018, 02:25:38 AMwhile having the same specs as newer ones costing around $60.
Quote from: lizard™ on September 22, 2018, 02:25:38 AMI've also heard that zoom lenses like 18-135mm are worse in quality than let's say a 18-55mm and 55-135mm lens, but I've never heard why that is so. Can someone enlighten me?
Quote from: lizard™ on September 22, 2018, 02:25:38 AMI'm thinking of getting a Canon EF-S 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS with an UV filter first. Both are $42 together which sounds like a very reasonable price. Would that be a good first choice? For the same price I could also get the "II" version of the same lens (without the UV filter though, but those are cheap so I'd rather get a better lens). Are there any remarkable differences between I, II and III when it comes to this lens (or any lens in general)?
Quote from: ArcziPL on September 24, 2018, 09:42:38 AMIMO a good choice and a very good deal but not because of the reasons you have mentioned.
Quote from: ArcziPL on September 24, 2018, 09:42:38 AMUh, where did you get the two first arguments from? There is absolutely no significant difference in image quality between 70D and 700D. I've compared the shadow noise and ISO performance of both and couldn't tell any difference. I also don't know how a "better processor" could influence the photos. It's just pure marketing.
Quote from: ArcziPL on September 24, 2018, 09:42:38 AMBecause it's easier to design and manufacture a lens with a narrower focal length range that keeps reasonable image quality than doing the same with two times greater "zoom range".But do not consider it as a golden rule which always apply. The new 18-135 IS STM is far superior than the old 18-55 ones. Technology matters here and it continues to be developed.
Quote from: ArcziPL on September 24, 2018, 09:42:38 AMGetting better body to save on lens is simply wrong. A good lens matters more than the body, as it is primarily the lens which influences the image quality.
Quote from: lizard™ on September 24, 2018, 01:54:41 PMI'm going to see if I can find some good local offers for the 18-135 IS STM lens, I'm currently looking at a Sigma 18-200 F3.5-6.3 DC OS HSM, do you by any chance have any experience with that one? I've found one nearby for a great price and it seems pretty solid to me. (Which again is purely based on impressions gained from youtube reviews)
Quote from: ArcziPL on September 24, 2018, 08:36:31 PMNo, I never had interest in mega-zooms. Check some reviews and make up your mind based on them. From my experience: looking for a good lens might take a while. For me it was easy to decide which body to take but I'm picky about lenses. You need to try them out, to know if you like them. And this means either borrowing or buying. What matters are parameters which you won't find in spec[...]
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