Canon EOS M - 9th September 2018 - lost

[ricardopt]

Hi everyone! Just starting on the raw video with the EOS M, will share the progress, my first attempt...

My 2nd attempt

[ricardopt]

My 3rd attempt with the canon eos m
1632x694, 23.976 fps, 10 bit,  3x3 720p pixel binning crop mode
exported to prores using latest mlvproducer app
color graded in premiere pro

great dragonfly close up at 01m57s

[sys73r]

which camera did you shoot this on?

[dfort]

which camera did you shoot this on?

Read the subject line. 

[sys73r]

Read the subject line. 

I thought it could be one of the  M2, M3, M10, M6 or M50, looks like its just the "M" one.

[ricardopt]

My 4th attempt with the canon eos m
1632x694, 3x3 720p pixel binning crop mode
exported to prores using latest mlvproducer app
resized to 1920x1080 and color graded in premiere pro using cinestyle lut

the same as above but without using a lut, just modified the brightness/saturation/vibrance values a bit.

[ricardopt]

another video...couldn't get rid of some of the shakiness..
1632x694, 3x3 720p pixel binning crop mode
exported to prores using latest mlvproducer app
resized to 1920x1080 and color graded in premiere pro

[Danne]

Eosm is a very nice cam. Here is a build which let's you select mv1080p 1736x1120. The setting is in crop_rec menu.
https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9741.msg204949;topicseen#msg204949

[ricardopt]

Another one....this time 1736x976 - small colour correction

[ricardopt]

Another test...

[ricardopt]

Another atempt with the EOS M and magic lantern, 1736x976, converted with mvlapp (prores 4444, rec 709), edited with premiere pro (no color correction), canon eos m footage from 35s to 2.05s.

[Danne]

Nice footage. Especially drone files.
Did you use mcm rewired preset? I also wonder what the anamorphic preset would deliver...

[ricardopt]

Hi Danne, im the one who needs to say thanks

im using the 13 february build
mv1080p 1736x1158 and then selecting 1736x976
24fps

using mlvapp (1.5) and adding a bit of sharpness, fix bad focus, chroma smooth 3x3, rec 709 profile.
premiere pro for the editing and warp stabilizer, only needed because of the warp stabilizer, otherwise not needed (only basic "cutting" and sync)

[ilia3101]

I like the drone shot. What version of MLV app and what settings?

Tip: I don't recommend rec709 processing mode, what it does is give you the closest to exact real world colour and output in rec709 colour space, but it doesn't look great because it doesn't take in to consideration the fact that rec709 has small dynamic range and small gamut. Tonemapped/standard/film also output in rec709 colour space, but have smooth roll off and allows you to adjust stuff, I see no reason not to use these instead

[Danne]

Lately I put in a mv1080p "rewired" mode which gives correct realtime preview. Easier to work with if recording 16:9 footage. Also 1736x1158 works with this mode.

[ricardopt]

 Hi Ilia3101.

i answered your questions in the previous comment, anything in particular you want to know? i'm not a professional only do this as a hobby but ill try to answer.

i had footage from my drone, gopro 5 and the eos m, and i try in vain to match the colour between them, but i couldnt do it and ended up not using any of the gopro footage record in "flat" mode.

For each second on the video i spend around 120 seconds on it, and at the end i gave up color matching and did just rec 709 because what usually was a hobby was turning out into a "nightmare"...so rec 709 was kind of a quick way out.

[ricardopt]

About the drone footage, i live in Portugal and the area in the video was "destroyed" by a wildfire in October 2017, the video is from december 2017, the drone is a bebop 2... nothing high end 

[ricardopt]

Danne thanks for the tip, i didnt have any problem with preview, i was more concentrated on getting the best focus with "magic zoom".

Thanks

[ricardopt]

New video test, timelapses were done by speeding up the video 3000%, photos were coming out purple, same settings as previous video.

[ricardopt]

25th April

[Luther]

25th April

So much aliasing! Didn't the last experiments from Danne solved that (3x crop mv1080p MCM rewired)? The crop is a problem, but I think the Viltrox speedbooster could solve that (?). Also, the ffmpeg aliasing script on MLVApp seems to work nicely for this kind of footage...

[ricardopt]

Hi Luther, english is not my native language, by aliasing do you mean "jagged lines" or the "jumpiness" in the folliage in the first 16 seconds?

i've uploade the same video without any stabilizer effect added, the "jumpiness" goes away at the cost of stabilization.

[masc]

So much aliasing! Didn't the last experiments from Danne solved that (3x crop mv1080p MCM rewired)?

3x3 produces always aliasing, because of line skipping (except 5D3). The more sharpening one add e.g. in MLVApp, the "better" moiree/aliasing is visible.

[Luther]

Hi Luther, english is not my native language, by aliasing do you mean "jagged lines" or the "jumpiness" in the folliage in the first 16 seconds?

Yep, exactly that. Here is a example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliasing#/media/File:Aliasing_a.png

3x3 produces always aliasing, because of line skipping (except 5D3). The more sharpening one add e.g. in MLVApp, the "better" moiree/aliasing is visible.

My bad, I meant the 1:3 binning. Doesn't that nearly solve the aliasing issue? EOS-M is very impressive, I'm looking to replace my cameras with one too.

[ricardopt]

Hi everyone, here's a video from february, probably a build from the same month

[ricardopt]

Hi everyone, here's a video from 26 April, Danne build from 24/4/2019, 1736x976, mcm rewired, mlvapp 1.6, edited in premiere pro.

[ricardopt]

Hi everyone, here's a video from 2nd June 2019, Danne build from beggining of May 2019, 1736x976, mcm rewired, mlvapp 1.7, film preset (small tweaks), resized to 4k... edited (no color correction or luts) in premiere pro.
I recomend to watch the video @2k or 4k.

[Danne]

Nice to see some eosm movie published. I would be interested to see some anamorphic shots of this kind. Maybe sharpen in post. I suspect aliasing will be much less noticing and also no need for upressing footage in post.

[ricardopt]

Nice to see some eosm movie published. I would be interested to see some anamorphic shots of this kind. Maybe sharpen in post. I suspect aliasing will be much less noticing and also no need for upressing footage in post.

Hi Danne, do you have any settings for anamorphic in mind? About the sharpness...the videos were a lot sharper but i needed to use denoise at 70% to get rid of some "persistent" white dots, also i upsized to 4k to test it altough i know upsizing doesnt do any magic , by the way i notice people talk about aliasing, can you tell me an example where its showing?

Thank you

[Danne]

Run the anamorphic lua script for basic set up. Next you can choose the anamorphic rewired preset and either 2.35:1 or 16:9.

[ricardopt]

About the aliasing, here's a clip with 4 different versions of the same scene:
1 - shapness =70
2 - sharpness =70 + 1 pass aliasing
3 - sharpness =70 + 3 pass aliasing
4 - sharpness =70 + 3 pass aliasing + unsharp

without "pixel peping" the first clip looks the best, jagged lines can be seen on the water strider legs etc etc but its the best one, the surface of the water, water stride body tension against the water, the ripples caused by the water stride can be seen as it should, with the other modes the jagged lines decrease a bit but all the details i said about the first clip are lost, using the aliasing filter also managed to get rid of the shakes caused by the slider i used as seen on the first clip.

Anyone knows a better way of getting rid of the aliasing?

[Danne]

Anyone knows a better way of getting rid of the aliasing?

Film in anamorphic mode (1x3 pixel binning)

[masc]

Nice to see some eosm movie published. I would be interested to see some anamorphic shots of this kind. Maybe sharpen in post. I suspect aliasing will be much less noticing and also no need for upressing footage in post.

I did that a while ago... I think you know the clip already... but if someone else is interested. Recorded in 1x3 2.35:1 anamorphic mode, slightly sharpenend !after! rescaling (to not rescaling/increasing sharpening artifacts).

[ricardopt]

Its you doing those videos , i like the one you shot between Elgersburg and Martinroda with the glidecam with those cool panning shots. Nice work

[ricardopt]

my test today with 16 June build, unfortunally pink frames on all videos, but there could be a number of resons for that that i never checked (global draw, preview, sdcard brand etc) but video quality from this "under spec/old" camera is amazing...4k anamorphic, 1064x1800 resized to 4k, 12bit, no color grading apart from the rec709 profile in mlvapp, only selected 3x3 chroma and 70 sharpness.

[Danne]

Nice!
16:9 is hard. Kind of borderline. 2.39:1 and 2.35:1 should work better regarding frame corruption.

[ricardopt]

I everyone, quick test with videos from my village (countryside Portugal),16 June Danne's build, cinema lua script, 2.39 aspect, 1064x1666, 12bit, tried out the new timelapse option (3fps) but i had to speed it up 1500% to get the result in the video.

[Danne]

Nice! I think 2.39:1 is 1328x1666 though. Should be in the camera and seems like it in the movie too.

[ricardopt]

i need to get a cheap gimball (suggestions?)...software stabilizers make it worse...by mistake i resized to 3840x2160 in mlvapp but resized to 3840x1606 in premiere to get 2.39.1

[ricardopt]

here's a quick low light test, 16 June build, 4k anamorphic, iso 6400, denoised... in the midlle of "no where", no artificial lights around just the full moon.

[ricardopt]

28 July build, 1080p rewired, converted with mlvapp using "tonemaped" profile, edited in Premiere, recorded on 28 july 2019.

[ricardopt]

28 July build, 1080p rewired, converted with mlvapp using "tonemaped" profile, edited in Premiere, some problems with white balance, recorded on 28 july 2019.

[Danne]

Nice colors. What issues were you having with wb? In latest build I adreesed an obscure white level bug so if that was the issue download latest.

[ricardopt]

Hi, i dont know if i should even call it a "white level problem", in mlvapp if i try to make a scene less bright some pink spots start to appear at the whitest areas, i read to activate higlight reconstruction but it doesnt fix it. Its not a big problem... i have to learn how to expose scenes under bright conditions.

[masc]

@ ricardopt: This is what MLVApp help&wiki tells:
https://github.com/ilia3101/MLV-App/wiki#highlight-reconstruction
https://github.com/ilia3101/MLV-App/wiki#raw-white-level

[ricardopt]

"your eyes are playing tricks on you"
July 31 build, intervalometer mode, 700 raw images converted/edited to jpeg, edited in Premiere.

[ricardopt]

I´ve been wanting to try out other lenses than the 22mm that came with the EOS M, EFM lenses are expensive and after watching one of Zeek's video on using FD lenses i bought the Speedbooster and some second hand lenses on ebay, total cost for the speedbooster and 6 lenses was 150 euros, quite a bargain since just one native lens costs more than that, i first tried the canon fd 28mm, its in good condition without fungus and dust and with both caps, its sharp, i need to get used to fixed aperture and get some variable ND filters, im out of my "confort zone with these lenses" and for once i think its a good thing to be out of it, just recorded some short random clips today using the 8th September build using 4k preset and only changing the aspect ratio to 16:9, all other values are the default ones, no pink frames, videos converted with mlvapp using tonemaped "profile" and playing with the shadows and highlights values, since i think the lens is sharp i just added "30" on sharpness.

Thanks to everyone envolved in all these tools.

[ricardopt]

Hi everyone, these videos were recorded one year ago when i was "lost" with magic lantern, i dont have the original files anymore, i converted them but never got around to make a final video with them.

[marganai]

Hello Riccardo. Can you tell me which version of ML you installed at eosM? . Thanks.