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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2014, 12:40:55 PM »
- No link/info on download page or on ML's homepage (Twitter aside)

Solved. I'm not exactly good at web design and marketing messages, so I'm open to suggestions.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2014, 12:49:10 PM »
Thanks!
What about your (and the other devs) contacts to "the outer world" as in photo/video related site owners/contributors? Just drop them a line about what's going on and why. They might be happy for some content in those halcyon days after Photokina.
Spread the word! ;-)

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2014, 12:56:42 PM »
I did, but so far nobody replied.

So far, when the bloggers mentioned ML, it was from their own initiative, with very few exceptions. Sometimes they contacted me to ask more details. Now it sounds more like we are asking them to do us a favor (which doesn't seem to work).

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2014, 01:07:25 PM »
Thanks for the effort! And marketing isn't my strong side, either!

Let's hope the americas are waking up and their monthly salary transfer will find it's way. We'll see how it works later this evening, I suppose.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2014, 01:49:39 PM »
Seems to be working. It was about 63,300 in morning and now has crossed 65,000.

Keep them coming world. If this thing comes alive it will be a paradigm shift .. pretty like the customisable google phone that is on the cards.
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2014, 02:08:11 PM »
Just a random thought: if the hardware can get 300 fps at 4k, and is able to do some basic processing on them in real-time, even if it can't output all these frames, it could be very useful for stills.

The camera could shoot 300 frames and select the top 10 (that seem to be the sharpest ones), just like the "Best shots" options from silent pictures. Might be interesting to try for wildlife.



Regarding dynamic range: if the sensor can output say 600 fps at 1080p, to get a 1/50 exposure at 25fps (180-degree shutter), you could combine 12 frames. If it can output 800fps, and you are OK with a 360-degree shutter, you can combine 32 frames. Assuming it does proper 2x2 binning (without introducing noise), this would give:



Just a theoretical way to get up to 13.5 stops of DR in 1080p without motion artifacts (with frame averaging).

Of course, you are not going to get close to a Nikon D810 image resized to 1080p :P

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2014, 04:50:06 PM »
They are getting closer to the goal €66,839EUR / €100,000EUR with 9 days to go!
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2014, 05:04:32 PM »
Solved. I'm not exactly good at web design and marketing messages, so I'm open to suggestions.

Try something like that:
And play with bootstrap 2.3.2 style :)

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<div class="container">
    <p class="text-center">
        <h3>News: Magic Lantern joins forces with Apertus to create THE open source camera.</h3>
        <img src="https://apertus.org/sites/default/files/Axiom-Beta-Announcement01.jpg" class="img-rounded">
        <blockquote>
        <p><a href="https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/axiom-beta-the-first-open-digital-cinema-camera/x/692033">We need your help. NOW!</a></p>
        <small><a href="http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11787.25">Forum discussion</a></small>
        </blockquote>
    </p>
</div>

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2014, 05:09:42 PM »
Do the math, canon eos m! We're not any nearer because time is running, too. Still far away from comfort zone. At 4 percent/d it will be an "interesting" finish because of slower weekend. And 350+ 4/3 perk is just ignored. Most attraktive perk now is 350+ Super35 but only 39 left = 13650. Will take a lot of people to throw in smaller amounts to fill the gap. Or lesser with a liberal hand not going for perks.

No, not comfortable at all!

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #60 on: September 30, 2014, 05:31:21 PM »
Do the math, canon eos m! We're not any nearer because time is running, too. Still far away from comfort zone. At 4 percent/d it will be an "interesting" finish because of slower weekend. And 350+ 4/3 perk is just ignored. Most attraktive perk now is 350+ Super35 but only 39 left = 13650. Will take a lot of people to throw in smaller amounts to fill the gap. Or lesser with a liberal hand not going for perks.

No, not comfortable at all!

Yes Walter, but they can always come up with the 3rd Batch of the Super35 to help cross over the finish line! All is fair in love and war. I am right now in the Singapore time zone. If I wake up in the morning with less than 10 Super35's remaining, I may also join the party! Lets see.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2014, 06:19:56 PM »
There indeed seems to be an big increase in donations the last. Which is good!

Worst case scenario: they end up at say 70.000.
Wouldn't you, if you were them, come up with the remaining 30.000 to fulfill the 100.000 goal and release that 70.000? Or would you let slip 70.000 just like that?

They could also get a loan easier once they have 70.000 in their hands to reach a 100.000 budget.

I'm sure indiegogo (and PayPal) make a nice profit on all this, but do you have a choice if you run a project?.

I know nothing about crowd funding, so I may be talking nonsense.

What would the backers want them to do: work with a 70.000 budget or get their money back and let them quit?

At this point, it may be even more about
-making a statement about open source
-building a community and customer base

Just some quick thoughts while following progress.
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2014, 06:27:58 PM »
You may want to look into the rules about this.
If the goal is missed the backers will get their money back. Period.
What the people at Apertus will do if the goal is going to be missed is their part. They may want to fill the gap or not.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2014, 11:24:58 PM »
just read an interesting critique. where's an audio-in port? if its possible to encode the mediafile inside the body, it would be useful to give at least an unmanaged line-in to embed it into the file.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2014, 12:05:11 AM »
i've contacted a big german publishing house regarding the cooperation.
lets see if they publish something :)
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2014, 01:14:55 AM »
€69,886EUR raised of €100,000EUR
8 days left

Over €3,000EUR added overnight!

Kurt: You can consider that we have crossed €70,000 since I pledge my €350 but will wait a bit more before I transfer. Don't know how I will come up with the rest though. I guess, we will cross the bridge when we come to it.

Another thought came to my mind - if 2 of us can come together to contribute the initial 350x2 for 2 of these and the rest is collected overtime to pay the remaining €4600 it would be great. The promoters of Axiom could always waive the shortfall in the end, if any. This will be a win-win for everyone; and a super win for the open source community.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2014, 05:07:43 AM »
Hey, I just had a brainwave. Why don't Alex, Trammell Hudson, g3gg0 and all start a crowdfunding initiative of your own since the excitement around open source and funding is beginning to pick up ...

I would rather commit €350 to the ML development since this is something I have lived, breathed, used, enjoyed so much.  I would love to see it flourish if nothing else just for the simple but pure sense of belonging and being part of an ever growing and extended family. I have met so many selfless people in these forums and continue to forge new bonds. I am a lawyer by profession and there is no way in the world I would have met folks like you all if I wasn't given the opportunity to be part of this magic community. All this must mean something to everyone in it. There is nothing I can contribute accept show my appreciation and make a token contribution. But if this sentiment could be channelized and focussed the buzz it creates will be worth it.

You could keep a realistic funding target of €75,000 -€100,000 for Phase 1 and then depending on how this scores the world is your playground. The funding could be directed towards promoting the cause of open source with clear targets and objectives. Developers could be paid and intellectual property could be created and monetised if deployment was at an enterprise or corporation level. Rest all could benefit for free as long as they wished to play and have fun!

Think about it. It may just work.

Edit: With the money, you could buy a good number of Axiom's to get the HW side of the development program sorted.

And there is a lot of good quality reference material already out there to showcase the potential and capability of this endeavour.
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2014, 05:13:02 AM »
@ Canon eos m,
Not necessarily opposed to your suggestion, but personally I am excited about the idea of what the ml team (joined by many others, hopefully) could do with an opensource camera, with no need to guess or reverse-engineer or otherwise fiddle about with a "black box" they don't know the contents of (i.e. Canon cameras).

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« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2014, 05:26:17 AM »
Frank,the thing is everyone with ideas has to get their due either in cash or kind. Crowdfunding is a way to channelize and promote. If there are enough that share the vision the benefits to mankind and womankind will be enormous. Imagine a 3D printed open source satellite to Mars with the ML firmware and you will see where this is going.

The talent in Alex's core team is already there - programmers, testers, film makers, colourists, contributors - all working for a world where there are no boundaries to creativity.

I am sure others will join in this dream.

Crowdfunding as a concept is new to me but I can already see that it is full of potential. Others have done, the ML can do it better.

A SMALL STEP FOR ML, A GIANT STEP FOR THE FILM WORLD.

Also think what the Steadicam did to the film world. It was less of what it was but more of how the inventor spread the word. He trained potential DP's and camera crew to use this thing. The world caught on and the rest is history.

Also think of what the Gopro did for adventure sports. The guy who invented it still enjoys the action and the Gopro has been a hobby to him which makes him a few million bucks. So why complain.

Also think of the team that created the 5DM2. The video capability was just a by product. But there was more to come when the director who used the camera for cinematography ends miade the 5D a stuff of legends - Canon didn't. Similarly, Alex and team has made the 5DM3/7D a stuff of legends - Canon didn't.
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2014, 05:46:34 AM »
Have you folks noticed almost €20,000EURO (about 30% of the funding) was committed between last night and the night before. 16 X €350EURO + 1 X €900EURO was committed during his period. We all rock. Want to hazard a guess. I will take the first shot. In my view, Axiom will make it to 130% of the target funding requirement.
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2014, 07:43:03 AM »
Let's wait and see what happens. Looks like Olympus is in the game, too. This was already posted by s.o. else here in the forum. The prototype pictures from Olympus look like it's been the sister of Apertus Axiom:

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/olympus-open-platform-prototype-camera-at-photokina-2014-26189
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2014, 07:57:07 AM »
Cannot come up with your numbers, canon eos m! 20.000? Not seeing this difference. And 20.000 are *exactly* 20 percent and not 30.
Sorry, but your math sucks.

My numbers: About 8 percent the last 40 hours. Good but not excellent and - as I said earlier - the most attractive perk (Super35 2nd batch) will drain before goal is reached.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2014, 08:23:21 AM »
Cannot come up with your numbers, canon eos m! 20.000? Not seeing this difference. And 20.000 are *exactly* 20 percent and not 30.



I meant 20K is 30% of about 60K.

See your point. But then I am an optimist
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2014, 08:24:18 AM »
Okay, my two cents are in for the Beta (actually 350 eur for the Super35 version)! Really looking forward to what happens!

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2014, 08:33:43 AM »
since we announced supporting the axiom project, and encouraged ML users to donate, there were close to 11.000 EUR of donations within 4 days.
this money is of course not all due to ML users but the point is, i see a possibility for reaching the goal within time.

again such boost with the help of local press (like e.g. heise or some other publishing houses) there is a chance in hitting the 100k.
so i hope those people are going to pick up the final lap race here.

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