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#26
Quote from: garry23 on September 20, 2018, 05:05:57 PM
I wouldn't ignore the EOSM  ;)

http://photography.grayheron.net/2017/12/thank-you-sony.html

That's a great setup. I love the attached monitor one. It's crazy how such a compact camera can be this professional.
I looked further into the M series and find that the M3 would be a great camera (especially for it's popup-flash and tilt-able screen), however there doesn't seem to be any ML developement on that one.

I'd just personally prefer to have something bigger in my hands. I'm planning on getting an external flash but having one built-in is just way more convenient. And of course, the rotatable display!

Quote from: dfort on September 20, 2018, 06:07:13 PM
As far as the difference between the 60D and 700D, there might not be much difference when you look at the specs but the 700D is way ahead in ML development mostly because it has a Digic 5 processor while the 60D is a Digic 4 camera. Lossless compression, reduced bit depth, SD card speed up, crop_rec module and other new features are working on Digic 5 but not Digic 4. Though there is still development on Digic 4 cameras we also need to devote time to getting the newer Digic 6, 7, 8 (and 4+) cameras ported.

This is what I was thinking too. I'm currently looking at a 700D with a 90-300mm lens and a battery grip for just $270. It has almost 24k shutter count, but is still in a great condition and even comes with the original box, so I'm probably going for this. What's a good recommendation for a lens in the (around) 18-55mm range? I've heard kit lenses are usually bad quality. Preferably not above $100.
#27
Quote from: dfort on September 20, 2018, 04:44:02 AM
Assume that the 5D3 is out of the question? It is still by far the best camera for ML and probably the only ML supported camera seriously used by absolute professionals. Most of us here are hobbyists, some more serious than others.
A used but in good condition 5D3 over here is slightly over three times the price of a 700D, so it's out of my price range, and really much better than what I even "need". I love photography a lot, but I don't see me ever doing it as a profession. Plus, I'd really love to have a screen that I can fold old like the 60D or 700D has.

Quote from: dfort on September 20, 2018, 04:44:02 AM
It looks like you're leaning towards the 700D. From your list that will give you the best ML experience but don't discount the 100D or even the EOSM. Ok, back to the 700D, the current Canon firmware is version 1.1.5. It is also my one and only firmware update port to make it into the main ML repository. Any 1.1.4 builds are most likely outdated so whatever feature matrix you're looking at isn't up to date.

I've looked at the EOS M first actually, and while it doesn't look bad,  it's just *really* small and having thought "I wish I would've gotten a camera with a rotateable screen" countless of times in the past, I really want to go for one offering that this time. I shoot astro a lot, and having the camera pointing up on a tripod always needs either an external monitor, or knee pain to see the screen. Same applies to the 100D.

Quote from: dfort on September 20, 2018, 04:44:02 AM
An audio menu comes up only when the mlv_snd module is loaded. It does have audio meters but you can't monitor audio from the camera as you're recording.

So basically, the 700D is a good choice. There has been some interesting developments on it recently. I didn't say much about the 70D because I have not had much experience with it but it is a little more of a work in progress than the other cameras, though everything here is a work in progress.

Really the only thing I'd love to have that the 70D has and the 700D doesn't is the extra dial on the back of the camera. I've never had one before so maybe it doesn't matter that much at all, but it just seems really convenient to me, even over a touchscreen. The shutter speed and continous shooting FPS of the 70D also make it even harder for me, but then again it's priced around $260 more here. (The 700D being around $320 with a simple kit lens here at the moment) The 60D is priced around the same as the 700D though, with very similar tech specs.


So, speaking only ML feature wise, there won't be much missing on a 700D compared to a 60D with newest firmwares?
#28
I know this post is long, but I'd really appreciate someone helping me out a lot.

Given that I consider most ML users absolute professionals, I hope I can still get some help with my noob question.

I love photography and post-editing, but so far I've never had a DSLR, only bridge cameras and since I didn't do it professionally, for me that worked fine.

Recently I came across the ML website (not even sure how) and I LOVED that camera emulator. Played a bit around, looked more at the website, and then saw this in the feature list:
QuoteProgram your own camera!
Write Lua scripts
And my nerd self was instantly in love with ML and determined to get a Canon preferably already yesterday. I used a 500D years ago, but that's all for my canon experience. (Shooting on Olympus at the moment).

I'm considering between the EOS 60D, EOS 650D and EOS 700D (and 70D (?)). If ML were out of the equasion, I'd go with the 70D, mostly because of the better image processor. However, ML plays a big role for me since without it and all it's fancy stuff that will take me weeks to get into I wouldn't get a canon in the first place. Since the 70D is a "work in progress" and haven't gotten an update since over half a year, this one's out of question for me.

So I went to check out the feature matrix but I'm heavily confused. The matrix says the 600D can work all the audio modules, whereas the user guide says the entire audio menu is missing on the 600D and newer.

I can't see a big difference ML feature wise between the 650D and 700D, so between those I'd rather go with the 700D.

So to get to the point: Which differences will I encounter using ML between those three models? Is there by now an audio menu in the 700D or not and if not is there a chance it will happen in the future? I do mostly photography only, so that shouldn't matter as much to me, but it wouldn't hurt to have for sure.

There also seem major differences between 700D.114 and 700D.115 within the feature matrix. Is this just a firmware version or do I have to be careful when buying the camera and watch out for something?