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#26
Hi!

Not sure where to place this thread, but Ill try here. In some weeks I will start a production with a budget around $50K. I first planed to rent an Amira with good PL optics. But I started to question the impact it had on the budget and salaries etc. Since I don't believe I can't produce a good studio production with a 5D3 and maybe Otus optics. I thought as a editor and directing with improvisation that a multi camera ML Crop_rec would be nearly as good and if not better with the editing possibilities.

But there are the problems, camera stops functioning (happened two times in one year of work), restart, batteries in and out etc. That can't be accepted in this production. They must work (will bring three 5D3 with ML and correct settings) and two will constantly run. The takes will be around 2-10 minutes so card and overheating shouldn't be such a problem. But from your experience, is it to risky?

The setup will be, two running 5D3 with each 128-256Gb CF. Backup of cards, often offloading, not waiting etc. Tripods on mostly all shots. Some dolly. Precise lightning for a multi camera shoot. Lenses will be, 2x Otus 28mm, 2x Milvus 15mm, Otus 55mm.

Tests with the lenses on the setup, resolution chart and flair tests: https://vimeo.com/240315090

What do you think?
Thanks!
#27
Quote from: ibrahim on October 23, 2017, 12:36:48 PM
:) Hello countryman,

Förstår svårigheterna men tyckte ändå att de mjuka kamerarörelserna och valet av musik var fint.

Vilka inställningar valde du på din 5d3 för crop-mode? Minns inte längre hur man gjorde.

Gällande minneskort. Jag brukar altid ha med mig en 1 eller 2 TB WD passport portabel hårddisk tillsammans med en 3.0 kortläsare och 2 st SDXC sandisk kort 160bm/s där ena är 64GB och den andre 128GB. Om du har möjligheten använd istället två st 128GB för 64GB fylls på ganska snabbt. På det sättet bör du inte ha problem även när du är ute då din bärbar och även hårddisk inte behöver el. Om du vill filma kontinuerligt använd en extra kamera när du tvingas stopp för filöverföring och korttömning. Bra jobbat!

Regarding settings, all pretty normal: ML raw Lite, Crop_rec with 1.85:1 ratio and 2K resolution. As high as possible to record more than 5mins of footage. But since Raw eats gigabytes I had an expensive 256gig of Sandisk 160mb/s. And three 128gig with same specs. Constantly offloading, even with Kingston usb 3 reader it's still 20-30mins for 128gigs of footage. So no can't recommend. Thanks Ibrahim!  ;)
#28
This was quite a long project, kind pf doc-commercial. It was shoot from time to time over 5 months. I shoot mostly with a 5D3 and my Canon FD lens set. I found the images some times to be a little soft, and some times I was a bad cinematographer, focus pull etc. But in the end the image is quite rich. I can't recommend shooting something like this with Raw, it's just to risky, card running out happen more than 10 times. Since I had to keep recording. But what do you think? It's in Swedish so not so easy for some of you to understand, but imagewize and music is universal. I found the Crop_Rec to be very good for the editing, leaving me with more choices which is usually good.

Movie is about a group of people who has mental illness in different variables. And often feel they are being left out of possibilities in school or in work place. The title is Våga Prata, which translates to something like: Dare to Talk.

#29
Well non of them is Stedicam. I took a Tiffen course in Steadicam, and boy a real steadicam owns them again and agin.
#30
Quote from: viniciusone on October 02, 2017, 01:27:00 AM
Which Log did you set into the camera while shooting? I tried the same workflow using Cinestyle profile and it doesn't affected my image after converting to .Dng at all. I just got a Raw image without any Log.

Would mind doing a tutorial for us? Your result are stunning this way!

Thank's!!
You can't have a log in camera ON raw material. You shoot raw and you choose LUT / LOG colour space for grading or do it manually your self. Many misconceptions here..
#31
Quote from: extremelypoorfilmaker on September 30, 2017, 05:30:26 PM
Could somebody please tell me where is the noise? I was trying to find it in that video and it seems it's nowhere to be found..
:D
Clearly the youtube compression has pushed it thogehter, but clearly something is struggling in the upper left. Just a comment ;)
#32
Quote from: The_bald_guy on September 25, 2017, 06:35:16 PM
In the on camera live view, you get this slow fps refresh and bad moire draft for framing only right?
You can't have live view and proper framing while doing crop rec other than 1080.
#33
Yes for a quite unscientific test the 5D3 holds up quite well. Would you do the same test comparing rolling shutter the Alexa is miles ahead. Since there is so much more than just color science.. Highlight roll off (not DR), roll off on the 5d3 is quite horrible. A7S is much better at this, Alexa of course much better..

But instead of comparing 3k camera to 40k cameras, your video looks nice!
#34
General Chat / Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
September 20, 2017, 10:12:31 AM
Just tried it out, and I must say it's bigger than I imagined. The size equals to a c300 minus some top hight. Was hoping for a more compact solution for my Steadicam work. Other than that it was quite light in feeling. Unfortunately they had no Cfast available so no test footage...
#35
Quote from: goldenchild9to5 on September 11, 2017, 01:51:37 AM
Shot some 3.5K 12bit Lossless stuff today using September 6th build & running on 1.1.3.  So far everything is running smoothly  8)
Still wonder how you folks manage to record 12-bit lossless? My cam says its only for photo mode.. Running 1.1.3. Thanks!
Please ignore this post, for first time it now is choosable! Great work! It's has been a problem when choosing in mlv lite menu.
#36
General Chat / Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
September 09, 2017, 11:20:28 AM
Quote from: kaco on September 08, 2017, 10:52:28 PM
I had few sample C200 raw files. It works in Davinci 14 beta. The only problem (probably a matter of time) is that it is being interpreted as some log (canon log probably?) and the raw panel is not working. So you have to adjust your exposure and white balance with 3 color wheels. But the data is there (highlights, etc).
Once you have tried, if you do ;), full 14 release please say if Raw is there?
#37
Quote from: kaco on September 08, 2017, 10:48:55 PM
It is beta! But it is working for me, also with project imported from Davinci 12.5.
In first two or three public betas my power grade gallery was not being imported correctly, but now most of things work for me just fine.

Cheers.
Wong. It's full now, but as I claimed it works as bad as it was a beta! I would go as long to say postpone this release it's as bad as that.
#38
Hi!

Like many I was looking forward to the release of a stable build of BM Davinci Resolve 14. This post is if you already have big grading projects and thinks of competing them in 14. I think this is a critical function for a upgrade of a suite? Anyhow every project crashes on 14. If I create a new one maybe only maybe it will work. It's to damn stupid of them to release this "stable" build and remove the older 12.5 from their download section.

I must recomend not to transfer until it is proven stable for 95% of users. Bunch of shit. Really unfortunate since al the new functions are very welcomed!

Davinci Resolve 14
#39
General Chat / Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
September 08, 2017, 10:24:06 PM
Quote from: Cybornut on August 31, 2017, 12:58:54 PM
Found this thread searching for Canon C200 Magic Lantern...
Anyhow, I now have a C200 on hand... let's get this started.
Would really like to know if cinema raw light goes native with Davinci Resolve? I can't have a camera that needs poorly canon software. Thanks for a reply!
#40
Much problems of the forums you mention is avatars, the good thing about using your own name is to not be an ass****.
ML forum works great, many positive peoples with great knowledge here. Only downside is that fewer and fewer will use ML in the coming future. Raw is becoming much cheaper with Canon Raw Light and Panasonics introduction of Eva cameras.

Fantastic thou is that DSLR/Mirrorless cameras will continue to revolutionize productions pro-semi pro indie market.

All the best,
David
#41
Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV
July 26, 2017, 01:15:15 AM
Quote from: AlexRo on July 26, 2017, 12:23:49 AM
No, I did not want to know when it will be ready. I asked about the situation with the development of ML for 5d mark iv. Is it being worked on or not.
Sorry for my English.
Don't wait for it..
#42
Quote from: Kharak on July 23, 2017, 05:56:22 PM
Do you have FD lenses for your 5D MK III ? How does that work? Cause I am so interested in the FD ones, but from what I understood they are not compatible with the mirror of the 5DIII, true ? and FD lenses are so crazy cheap.

Also from pictures I've seen, they have a more "Cinematic" look than the new EF mounts. But only judging from pictures and some few videos I've seen, I just liked the look of them. Though... Some of those pics might have been taken with Film, so that automatically adds to that Cinematic look we all crave.

Personally I have become so tired by the clinical clean look of my Canons, the blue color cast aswell (still beats samyang yellow) and anti-flare coatings.. So I'm basically only looking at Vintage lenses these days, especially combined with the Full Frame look, I find vintage lenses to make magic happened in that comparison. No weather sealing though on those vintage ones, which forces me to pull out my canons for certain situations. An all-rounder is the 24-70 L 2.8 (first gen), its crazy sharp and covers most shooting scenarios. But probably more expensive than 800$ unless its in a shabby condition. And all the L lenses are pretty hard to make flare unless you pop a ND on without Lens Hood.
The FD L's are a great peace of set. The mirror conflicts are only on few glasses. 50L and 85L does hit the mirror only when converted to EF mount I belive, but this has to do with infinity focus, but its a small problem for me since I only shoot live view and dont use the mirror for photos. I gladly power on and then let the mirror pop up and then puts on the glasses.

If you like tele lenses the 135 F2 is fantastic. It's also not a L lens, which isn't a problem.
The 24L F1.4 is a tremendous work horse for me. The 50 L is somewhat problematic sometimes but is a L lens, which I think is over priced.

I have 20mm 2.8, 24L, 50L 50 macro, 85L, 135 F2 (all converted to EF). So feel free to ask any questions.

Thanks for the AF tip! Is there a good normal lens which isn't to clinical?
#43
I'm looking for a lens that is either zoom or prime, but has AF and is as much cinematic as possible, good flares if so or so so. Price range is 800$ used.

Any recommendations? I mostly use 50mm. I'm asking since I only shoot with manual lenses I don't know anything about Canon EF optics. Recommendations much appreciated!
#44
Agreed!

The location plus colours are fantastic :)
#45
Quote from: Boygetslost on July 17, 2017, 04:06:07 AM
Hi everyone
I have been using the Jun 19 crop_rec on 5d iii with kombuterbay 1106 card.

Most of the higher res crop modes stop recording almost immediately, I get maybe a second.

If there something I'm missing here? Something I haven't set up right.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Which settings do you use?
#46
General Chat / Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
July 14, 2017, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: hjfilmspeed on July 12, 2017, 05:49:34 PM
I really don't understand Canon. They don't give their DSLRs RAW goodies or better codecs in fear of taking out there Cine line, right? But they give their cheaper Cine line camera better specs then there more expensive Cine cams.... They make no sense and their product specs are all over the place.
Makes perfect sense if they believe the tv productions will continue to shoot on their c cams with prores 4444 options and if commercial what's a cheaper lighter raw can there is one now with canon colour space. If bigger budget why shoot. Canon over preferably Arri or second RED? They make money splitting the product line. Buyers are not so happy off course.

Edit: but as one Canon representative said, they make money on their lenses not so much compared with c cameras.
#47
Realised that crop-rec 3,5k doesn't cooperate as well as UHD at higher resolution. Anyone experienced the same?
#48
Since I only use older lenses (nFD glas), around 30-40 years of age. Would it be better to choose a mode that uses the center parts of the sensor more than the higher part of lens glas? In my experience the UHD options render only from the top part of the sensor while center, yeah is center.

Any thoughts on which options is best to use, I mean in terms of lens qualities and DNGs to use?

Option 1: UHD 1:1 3232 x 1376
Center crop 3,5k: 3232 x 1376

From a sequence I shot today I experienced a lot of CA and bleeding. Maybe it's just the lens quality?

DNG: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ffr4mgcz0argy7o/M28-1359_001359.dng?dl=0
This one uses UHD 1:1 option.
#49
Quote from: Andy600 on June 28, 2017, 03:19:35 PM
Please be aware that the colorspace options in this app are gamma only. This app currently can not render images correctly in Cinelog-C colorspace. Your Cinelog-C luts will not work as intended and will have incorrect color.

AFAIK there is no realtime playback capability with this app.
I see, back to Davinci then.
/David
#50
Very useful for making editable footage! Great job!

I wonder if I'm not seeing of if you can implement the following?

  • I can't play the footage, pressing SPACE and nothing happens. Scrolling works though. Any clues?
  • I can't zoom in the image, for example, I record 3,5K sequences with my 5D3. Could you make it possible to zoom in to 100/200/400 %?
  • LUT option? Since I have several LUT with Cinelog color space, an option for applying a Lut prior to export mov would really enhance this app.

All the best,
David

Edit: Sorry for not knowing about the re-write. Then maybe options for the future updates..