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#51
Raw Video Postprocessing / Re: The CinemaDNG Discussion
February 11, 2014, 07:17:54 PM
After converting several formats, H.264>>ProRes (with Bigasoft Converter) Cineform>> (GoPro Studio) and a few others I have tried, these CDNG files are the best and edit in real time seamlessly even with effects dropped on them and in full res.  The native H.264 files are horrible to try and edit with and even ProRes files bog down in 1/2 and 1/4 res.  The CDNG workflow is the way to go.  It is really smooth in PPro editing wise so far.  Glitch free scrubbing and playback at full res, on my machine anyway.  You don't have to import all the clips in as a sequence or anything like that, just convert and drag into the project bin from the Media Browser in PPro.

You are on the right path, and close with this.  The best thing is how FAST it converts the RAW files!  Fast!  MLV is another story because of that bottleneck, so yes, native MLV may be the way to go.

Oh... on some clips I get weird color banding in PPro like in this image (3X magnification) screen shot from PPro single frame export.



But doesn't appear if the same CDNG is opened in Photoshop.  Only looks like that in Premiere.
#52
Raw Video Postprocessing / Re: The CinemaDNG Discussion
February 11, 2014, 06:51:35 PM
* Are these corrupted Sensels static? 
Static as in do they move around when the video is played on the timeline?  No they do not move but remain where they are.  What does Sensel actually mean?  (sorry, new to these terms)

* did you tried rawdigger with both files? (raw2dng vs. raw2cdng)
I never used that program but downloaded just now, have no idea what it does.  LOL!!!  When I open both files in Rawdigger the raw2CDNG file looks okay, the raw2DNG file looks pinkish.

* are you using a proper modeltag? 
I'm not sure, this is how it looks when I convert...



I got that model name off of some list that I think was EXIF data for specific cameras, where do I get the correct name for a 60D?

In some of the RAW files I get these pink corrupted frames (2 or 3 per clip).

#53
Raw Video Postprocessing / Re: The CinemaDNG Discussion
February 11, 2014, 02:35:28 PM
Your converter is looking VERY NICE!!!  After more testing today I have found that to convert MLV files with raw2cdng they need to be in the same directory as the raw2cdng program and that needs to be on a root drive for example, D:/raw2CDNG works for me.  At least this seems to be the case for me.  While processing the MLV files this window pops up...



But the files finish converting (slowly) and then appear in the raw2cdng GUI, after that they convert really fast to CDNG.  The mlv_dump process is the only bottle neck in this method of converting MLV files.  Here are some more test images from today.

raw2dng, no issues.  (4:1 magnification)



raw2CDNG, very slight problem on a few pixels, or maybe blown highlights or something?  Almost undetectable.   (4:1 magnification)



MLV files converted through raw2cdng...

File 1



File 2



Both MLV conversions are crispy clean, no pixel problems.  I completely uninstalled DMR and Preview, not sure if that had anything to do with it.  But while it was installed I did some more conversions and got this clean raw2cdng file when opened in Light Room 5...



But then when I opened the exact same .dng file in PPro I go these pixels showing up...



Still testing...


#54
Not having ACR wouldn't necessarily be a deal breaker, but there has to be something that allows for DR adjustment.  Whenever I shoot raw (90% of the time) I always open the files in ACR first to adjust exp/whites/blacks/ISO/ and so on but it is an extra time consuming step in the work flow.  If your plugin gives me a way to do it native in Premiere, done.  I'm buying.  For me, it needs to work much the same way the R3D pugin works which aace mentioned and can be seen here...  http://vimeo.com/52037147

I too am drooling over a possible plugin that allows direct import of RAW/MLV with these kind of functions.  You make it, I'm in.  There you go, you have at least a few already.  Why not start a poll or thread asking what users want.  Here, I'll start...

A plugin that allows RAW/MLV to work native in PPro with the ability to adjust RAW/MLV dynamic range etc., just like the R3D plugin does.

I am already testing in PPro with the current plugin which works fantastic, but has a few pixel issues.  If it had the DR adjustment functions, WOW!

#55
Raw Video Postprocessing / Re: The CinemaDNG Discussion
February 10, 2014, 07:51:04 PM
The first two are from Lightroom 5, I converted the raw's in raw2dng/raw2cdng and opened both files in LR5 and took screen caps.  The last is from a single frame export from the PPro timeline.
#56
Raw Video Postprocessing / Re: The CinemaDNG Discussion
February 10, 2014, 07:41:21 PM
Here is some interesting stuff...

Convert with raw2dng, clean no weird pixels



Then convert with raw2CDNG... 12/16 bit Partymode On and Off same results, funky pixels.



And then I loaded the same file in PPro direct with Drastic's plugin installed again (after uninstall) and I get this... funky pixel hell!



Hmm....
#57
Raw Video Postprocessing / Re: The CinemaDNG Discussion
February 10, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
I moved the folder to my root D:/ rive and now it works.  Renamed the folder to raw2cdng only and that seems to have worked, takes a lot longer to convert MLV>RAW though!  But the RAW to CDNG is really fast!   :D
#58
@James...  Thanks for coming in here and explaining.

Drastic was kind enough to send me a license code to work with this plugin and I have been doing so all day and as is... it doesn't really do what we really need it to do, work with ACR.  Being able to work direct in PPro with native MLV/RAW is absolutely great though.  I have been testing this out all day and it definitely works very well, smooth import/editing function but with RAW you need to be able to adjust the dynamic range and you can't do that. 

Without the ability to use ACR to adjust dynamic range on import it makes the plugin much less desirable than the freely available and really awesome raw2cdng converter we already have here on this forum.  Although I love the fact I can open MLV/RAW files directly into PPro CC, without the ACR function it is not really that useful in a RAW/MLV workflow. 

Right now, I can use chmee's really GREAT (and also free) raw2cdng converter which gives me CDNG files I can open/adjust/save (batch) in Photoshop CC and then open direct in PPro CC.  That is a pretty good option for me and doesn't cost me anything, and probably the rest of us here would agree.  I also agree the plugin would have to be as versatile as the R3D plugin that's native to Premiere. 

As g3gg0 said, in a free open source environment like this it would be a tough sell unless it had all the bells and whistles.  All that being said, if the plugin worked native in Premiere with ACR functionality and as versatile as the R3D plugin is I'd buy it now.

I will say that it is very nice to be able to go straight into PPro with MLV/RAW straight off the Card/HD though.



#59
Raw Video Postprocessing / Re: The CinemaDNG Discussion
February 10, 2014, 05:57:25 PM
Man... all I can say is thanks!  This converts my .RAW files with lightning speed.  I'm still not sure on the dead/cold pixels issue.  I noticed they are on all my files whether shot in MLV or RAW.  I'll try some other settings tomorrow.  I'm shooting in MLV/RAW on a 60D with...
1280x720
16:9
fps override on 24fps
Global Draw off
Frame skipping off
Preview - Hacked No Prev
Extra hacks - On

The pixels appear in both MLV/RAW files.  You can see here...



The other issue is with MLV files.  Here is what my raw2cdng window and raw2cdng folder contents looks like...



But if I try to drag an MLV file onto the window nothing happens... although I can see a DOS window flash briefly as soon as I drop the file in, but nothing happens then, the file does not drop onto the GUI and Win 7 x64 doesn't ask any questions.  Not sure why I can't get the MLV files to work.  Any ideas?

The RAW files work perfectly as far as I can tell, pull right up in ACR for batch DR correction, and edit smoothly in PPro CC 7.2.1 (4).
#60
Raw Video Postprocessing / Re: The CinemaDNG Discussion
February 10, 2014, 01:38:48 PM
Here are my tests with v.1.49...

Convert RAW files from SD card:
16 bit linear, party mode(ON) Gamma 1.0 = Result - no issues.
12 bit logarithmic, party mode(ON) Gamma 1.0 = Result - Strong green cast.
12 bit linear, party mode(ON) Gamma 1.0 = Result - no issues.
10 bit logarithmic, party mode(ON) Gamma 1.0 = Result - no issues.

16 bit linear, party mode(OFF) Gamma 1.0 = Result - no issues.  Faster conversion speeds!
12 bit logarithmic, party mode(OFF) Gamma 1.0 = Result - Strong green cast.  Faster conversion speeds!
12 bit linear, party mode(OFF) Gamma 1.0 = Result - no issues.  Very fast conversion!
10 bit logarithmic, party mode(OFF) Gamma 1.0 = Result - Slight pink cast and lots of added noise.

Question:  Does v1.49 work with .mlv files?  I tried dropping a couple on the GUI but nothing happened.  I have mlv_dump.exe in the raw2cdng folder as well.  The conversion speeds are very fast on my 1280x720 15 second RAW/MLV clips.  This is definitely a time saver.

One other thing, I noticed a few cold/dead pixels in my raw/mlv files, wondering if that is from the conversion or my raw settings?
#61
Raw Video Postprocessing / Re: The CinemaDNG Discussion
February 10, 2014, 12:28:50 PM
raw2cdng v1.49 is very slick.  It is fast!  raw2cdng>>ACR >>batch adjust/save>>Import from PPro media browser>> done.  So far this is the best option I have found, works really good chmee.  I use 12/16 bit linear/party mode/Gamma 1.0, works good, no pink cast files look good in PPro.  One question, is this supposed to work with .mlv files also?  If so, how to convert .mlv?

Very nice!  Good work.
#62
What about a Media Reactor/MLV+RAW plugin only option?  Can you guys at Drastic do something like that?  Seems like a good idea.  You have tons of options it seems.  Just an idea.
#63
Ha ha ha... I was freaking out going... Oh, this is it!  A miracle!  LOL!!!  ;D  Let there be hope still.
#64
And I thought I had found some revolution!  :'(
#65
But, since Drastic is on this forum...

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8627.0

they may be able to come up with a more reasonable solution for all of us Indie film makers as they must clearly know most people can't afford this ($495.00).
#66
Yep, me too... here is the missing link...

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8627.new#new

Oh... hear that air being let out?   SSSSSssssssssssssss..... 
#67
I just tried this out and it works to directly use RAW/MLV right off the card in Premiere Pro CC (7.2.1(4).  Seamless import/editing/output and no pink cast.  I didn't realize that I had installed the demo and then when I was running PPro I decided to try and import some MLV files into PPro... and it worked!!!  I thought it was onto some big discovery and started another thread about it...  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10401

Now I see it is from the DMR plugin ($495.000) which I can't afford, but it does work.  Good work on your part infinitebuzz!  Unfortunately out of reach for most Indie film makers like me.  Back to MLV/DNG/LR/AE/PP/Time consuming WF.
#68
Yep, that's got to be it, I have that demo installed so it must be the watermark as mentioned here.  Dang!  I thought it was going to be a home run!  $495.00 though... ouch!  Anyway, we now know MLV and RAW can be directly used in PPro CC (via a plugin) and we know what kind of plugin.  Maybe some of the other Dev/Programmers associated with this community can come up with a free or almost free version that works just as well, then we are all in business.  Sigh...  :-[  I really thought this was gonna be the big breakthrough!
#69
@g3gg0  Please look at the thread I started on this topic, it definitely works, look at the videos I posted.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10401.new#new

Maybe delete this post here since I already started another thread?  I wasn't sure where to put it. 
#70
Just had a look through my CP at the install history, Recent install history is...

Adobe LightRoom 5 (which always automatically opens my SD card when inserted)
IrFanview (with plugins)  Download here ---> http://www.irfanview.com/
GoPro Studio
DNG Converter
MLV Converter 1.7.2 for WINDOWS
Drastic Media Reactor  ---> ding ding ding!!!  (What the properties from PPro said)
Film Convert
DaVinci Resolve 10.0 Lite

Could be a combo of Drastic Media Reactor and IrFanview, not sure.  But if maybe some of you try installing those and see what happens?  I really hope this is a small piece of code, or DMR or IrFanView update away from drag and drop MLV/RAW in PPro CC!

#71
Here is one more video screen capture showing Adobe PPro CC being opened, Raw and MLV files being dragged straight off the SD card and dropped into PPro, where they are directly editable. 



As you can clearly see it definitely works as stated.  The only thing is as I mentioned before, that weird arrow with .MLV under it and some cold/dead pixels.  Anyone have any idea what is going on and why all of a sudden I can edit Raw and MLV directly in PPro CC with no time consuming and complex converting processes?  If we can figure this out the ML RAW capabilities just went through the roof!  Direct editing in PPro CC!!!   :D

I have no idea about programming and code, just shooting and editing.   :)
#72
Drag and Drop works for both MLV and RAW!  I just tested both.

Here is what the properties sheet in PPro says about the files...

MLV file


RAW file...
#73
It isn't Drastic, I just looked, I Dl'ed it but didn't install it.  [[EDIT:  I did install actually]]  It may have something to do with IrFan and maybe even raw2cdng.1.4.8 because I was just using that to convert files before this all happened.  In my raw2cdng.1.4.8 folder I have...

raw2cdng.1.4.8.exe
mlv_dump.exe
5DIII_N2.look
raw2cdng.1.4.8.gif

That was the last thing I was using before I was able to have MLV and now RAW files drop directly into PPro CC.
#74
Okay, I'm trying to figure out all of this, I did download Drastic and I installed Infran and I notice all my RAW files have a Cat icon. 

Here is what I did...  I took the card out of my camera, copied all the MLV files to my HD, then opened PPro, went down to the media browser, clicked on that folder with the MLV files in it and it started processing, took a while, then bam!  There were the files and they work just fine... wait a minute! 

NEWS FLASH!!!   I just did it with RAW files too!  Okay, I know people won't believe this so here I go to make another video screen capture of that!

Just because it doesn't work for you right now doesn't mean it won't.  Obviously I have stumbled onto something here now we just have to figure out what it is.  Just look at the video screen capture of me using it in PPro CC.
#75
I am on Windows 7 x64 and using the latest Adobe Premiere Pro CC v.7.2.1(4).  I have a 60D and I am using this build...
magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2014Feb05.60D111

I just went outside and shot some more MLV files just to make sure and it works on my system.  I am on a Toshiba laptop, high specs.

Here I just uploaded a video screen capture of me using these raw files direct in PPro CC.

Video here...



I am opening a new HD project and creating a sequence of 1920x1080 and then I browse to a folder on my HD that has the .mlv files in it.  When I use the Media Browser in Adobe PPro CC and click on the MLV folder it starts processing the MLV files...



Then I can work with them like any other files PPro supports.  I also just tried dragging and dropping an MLV file from a folder on my HD right into PPro CC and that works also.  If you don't believe me I can post a video of that too.

@sam.anstis >>> Look at the video and see for yourself.

@ Canon eos m >>> You select the folder where your MLV files are by using the media browser within PPro CC.  However, I just tried dragging and dropping and it works.

Watch the above video everyone!   :)