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I´m a bit tired deinstall/reinstall again. I will wait for an answer at the blackmagic forum, too.
Than i will try out to deinstall. First try teh stable version again. And than try  the BETA + install quicktime "inside resolve".

I rendered ""mpeg4", "DNxHD", DNxHR", "h264". And some other codecs... but sometimes
resolves crashed. Crashed really bad. So i stay with "mov (mpeg4) for the moment.
And render also tiff and uncompressed to see if my settings are wrong. As i said.
As tiff... the image looks perfect!

I use "Media Player Classic" / VLC Player and Quicktime to watch the rendered image.
I also import the final video back into resolve Timeline. Media Player Classic also have the option
to save an image.. so sometimes i check that image also in Photoshop.

The codec i want to use is mpeg4. At the moment i do all the grading in Resolve.
Than render the image as mpeg4. And later convert the mpeg4 file with Quicktime Pro into
an "h264" file for Festivals, Vimeo, whatever.

File information from a "resolve mpeg4" file:
------------------------------------------------------------------
Format              : QuickTime
Format/Info      : Original Apple specifications
File size             : 368 MiB
Duration           : 43s 480ms
Overall bit rate   : 70.9 Mbps

Video
Format                           : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile                 : Advanced Simple@L3
Format settings, BVOP   : Yes
Format settings, QPel     : No
Format settings, GMC    : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix    : Default (H.263)
Bit rate                           : 70.9 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                            : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio         : 16:9
Frame rate mode              : Constant
Frame rate                     : 25.000 fps
Color space                    : YUV
Bit depth                       : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Compression mode           : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 1.368
------------------------------------------------------------------

I record alot of RAW Footage right now. For a documentary film. So this if for Filmfestivals.
Even if my output is "only" for Youtube / Vimeo / TV ... still the colors are OF.

Its definitly NOT normal when i put a jpg into a timeline.. and render it out... the colors are
crushed. It looks good in AE, Premiere, Phothsop, VLC, Quicktime, Media Player Classic, and also on youtube, vimeo, etc.
It also looks 100% perfect in Davinci Resolves Timeline, and 100% perfect if render it out as tiff / uncompressed avi.

" I can all but guarantee it will look different again on Youtube vs Vimeo vs Media Player" ... simple NOT TRUE.
I renderd files in AE / Premiere as uncompressed, convert it to h264, upload it on Youtube and Vimeo.
And my timeline image looks the same as the rendered file, and the online video still looks the same.
Maybe some shifting in the red tones. maybe some artefakts. But not THIS:
http://monostep.org/temp/resolve5.jpg

The solution with XML is not working. At the end i'm still stucked to render with DaVinci Resolve.
And i cannot render h264 or any quicktime. Only unkompressed or tiff. If i edit in Premiere.. so what?
That doesnt' fix my problem.

And talking about different cameras, and different codecs. I'm not talking about DNG or h264 as import material.
I can simple grab any JPG i have on my desktop, or tif, or png.. put in into my Resolve Timeline.. where it looks PERFECTLY fine.
After rendering it out... it "color crushed" (but not if i render tiff or uncompressed".

Its a bug in Resolve. Or some BUG how Resolve communicates with Quicktime... but Quicktime won't star with Resolve.
Or maybe its a "colorspace" bug... and i have to find the right button in the Settings. But there are "Resolve Settings",
than Clip interpretations stettings. And render settings. and thats it. Andi dont' want to "deal with" it.

[ARLT Aktions Gaming PC SSD / i7 Skylake / 8GB / GTX 960 - 990,- Euro]

Thanks for the feedback.
I don't want to build a pc on my own. So i think i will start
with this... and than upgrade later to better cards .. if i need it. Or more RAM, more SSD, etc.

ARLT Aktions Gaming PC SSD / i7 Skylake / 8GB / GTX 960 - 990,- Euro
- Intel Core i7-6700 Quad-Core Prozessor mit 4x 3,4 GHz
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 (4gb ram)
- 8 GB DDR4 mit 2.133 MHz
- SSD 250 GB Serial-ATA/600 SSD von Samsung

I will plug in my old HDs and lets see how it works. I cannot have all my footage on a SSD because i cannot afford a 1TB SSD.
I don't know how "caching" exaclty works. My thoughts... when i have enough RAM. (32 GB or more)
i will not need "HD caching", right?

My window looks a bit different.





If i switch from "Auto" to "Data" the footage looks the same in the Timeline. And i get the full range. (no chrushed colors)
if i change to "video" i got chrushed colors in the timeline. So I do not want to change it to "Video" because that allready crushed
my blacks in the timeline. So i go with "DATA".

The strange thing is.
In the render settings i also can choose between DATA und VIDEO.
If i choose DATA or VIDEO ... the video is still chrushed. And its more chrushed when i'm using "data".
Like in this Screenshot:
http://monostep.org/temp/resolve4.jpg

Of course i can interprete the footage as VIDEO .. and than color grade it. And i am able to get the same results out.
But this ist not what the original footage looks like... when i drop it in AE / Premiere / or watch it in VLC / Media Player Classic.
I have to choose "DATA" so my colors are not crushed in the timeline. But than it just looks like this:
http://monostep.org/temp/resolve4.jpg

i cannot get it out. Only if i render tiffs or uncompressed YUV 10-bit .avi files.

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@Danne: thanks for the link. very interesting. But i'm using Win7 and sadly this will not work in Win7.

So i still got the "Quick Time encoder initialization failed." when i start Resolve.
So i uninstalled Resolve 11. And switched back to Resolve 12. (latest stable version)

Old "Resolve 12" was Version 12.2.013
New "Resolve 12" is Version 12.3.

I am now able to render "uncompressed YUV-10bit AVI" Files... and the image looks great! (no crushed colors. 100% perfect)
And also tiff images. Looks 100% perfect.
I´m in the same boat as sgofferj posted yeterday:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17351.msg168049#msg168049

When i try to render mpeg4, quicktimes, or whatever... i allways got crushed colors.
If you want i can post screenshots of all my settings. But i think my settings are fine.
(because tiffs and uncompressed avi looks fine. so my settings must be fine. right?)

Problem: I do not want tiffs or uncompressed avis. Because they are very big.
The next steps are:

1. Fix "Quick Time encoder initialization failed." on Win7. (i will not switch to Win10) And hope that this will fix the render issues, too.
If you read this: https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=38658#p230523
i think this is also a problem with Win7. There must be away that "Quicktime" and "Resolve" communicate witch each other.
Uninstall will not solve the problem.

2. Fix a new problem: As i rendered the file... the image flickers.. and now i got this "RED !" .. also in my timeline.
I restart Resolve 12.. but it is still there.


God damn... REEEEEEEESOLVE. WHY. so much frustration. But i will not give up.

And here is a link to the test image i'm using:
http://s33.postimg.org/xuit7oxbx/test_AE_JPG.jpg
(no DNG ... simple jpg)

@Danne: I will check this out later. Thanks!
@DeafEyeJedi: thanks. I thought it was a .mlv / dng problem. But its not. It doesn't matter if i take DNG files, uncompressed avi, h264, or simple a JPG.
I took a jpg... put it into Resolve timeline and if i render it out the video file is "crushed". And it was a new install of Davinci Resolve 11. And i did
not change any settings. When i render tiff-seqenze. Its fine.

So. Thanks for your help. But i have no idea how we can mange it together?
First i have to fix that anoying "Quicktime decoder initialization failure". Maybe thats the problem. Maybe not.
I want to fix that first. So i can say: ok, thats not the problem. And than go on.

[1. ARLT Aktions Gaming PC SSD / i7 Skylake / 8GB / GTX 960]

Ok. I have to decide between these to PC´s from ARTL.com:


1. ARLT Aktions Gaming PC SSD / i7 Skylake / 8GB / GTX 960 - 990,- Euro

- Intel Core i7-6700 Quad-Core Prozessor mit 4x 3,4 GHz
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 (4gb ram)
- 8 GB DDR4 mit 2.133 MHz
- SSD 250 GB Serial-ATA/600 SSD von Samsung

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2. Gaming PC - ARLT Mr. Gamer SSD / i7 / 8GB / GTX750 - 960,- Euro

- Intel Core i7-4790 Quad-Core Prozessor mit 4x 3,6 GHz
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 (2gb ram)
- 8 GB DDR3 mit 1.600 MHz
- SSD 240 GB Serial-ATA/600 SSD von Kingston
- HDD 1.000 GB Serial-ATA/600 Festplatte

LINK: http://www.arlt.com/Gaming/PCs-Notebooks/Gaming-PCs/PC-ARLT-Mr-GAMER-X-Treme-Pro-i7.html



PRO No.1:
- I've heard that the "Skylake" Prozessor is good for Videoediting. Some people say that its perfect for Resolve 4K Editing. (don't know if its true. At the moment i only need FullHD.)
- GTX has 4GB Ram
- DDR4

CONS no.1:
- no 1.000 GB HD (I hope its not a problem to plug in my old HD's)

...
i think i will buy "No.1". Any thought or concerns?

[EDIT]

I uninstalled Resolve 12 and Quicktime.

Than i installed an old Davini Resolve 11 Version.
And the newest Quicktime Version.
Resolve 11 starts without "Quicktime missing Warning" (good)

Droped that uncompressed file into the Resolve 11 Timeline. Render it out.
And the colors are still crushed. WTF. WHY?
After that i importet a simple jpg file into the timeline.
renderd it out. Colors are stil crushed.

I simple don't get it. I teste Premiere, AE, different players.
I skipped from DNG to a simple uncompressed avi file... to test it.
Why is Resolve 12 and 11 changing the colors in the rendering.
Its a "fresh install".

Any more sugesstions? My next plan is to install Resolve 12.5 beta... but i don't think that will fix my problem.

EDIT


CHECKED - if you rendered out Rec709 set it's input colorspace to Rec709.
CHECKED - Check you haven't got any track node or master panel luts active as these are applied to everything.
CHECKED - Grab a still of the original and use reference wipe to A/B against the import making sure you click on the grabbed still and not some other version.

I've checked that all.
No' ive rendered some tiff sequenze out of Resolve. And the tiff sequenze looks perfect! no crushed colors!
But when i render avi, movs.. allways crushed. So it has something to do with "Resolve Video rendering setting/engine".
Any sugesstions? (btw. i've got that "Quicktime missing" again. Also at Resolve 11. Is that important. because i don't
know how to fix it. I re-installed Quicktime. But Resolve still say its missing. But i starts.. so i don't klnow.

[EDIT:]

@Andy600: No. i did not. User "sgofferj" wrote: "when I render to uncompressed YUV AVI, I do NOT see any Gama shift".
In my case.. i tried every unompressed option. Avi and quicktime. And it looked bad.

I don´t think its a video/data level issue.. becaue i testet it here:
http://monostep.org/temp/resolve4.jpg

video level = crushed video look
data level = even more crushed look

Tomorrow or on sunday i will test dpx and tiff. If that doesn´t work i will reinstall Resolve 12.
Than also try 12.5 beta. And after this i try to find an Old version. "Resolve 11"... and try this.


EDIT: Last one thing. I have Quicktime. But when i start Resolve .. Resolve tells me that "Quick time decoder initilization failed" But i don´t give a shit. because i can use resolve. But maybe... Resolve need the "Quick time decoder initilization" thing for rendering. or fucks up my renderings because of that. i don´t know. I should fix that, too... before deinstall Resolve 12.

I posted the problem also on blackmagic forum. But no answer so far.
Someone wants me to put the rendered Videofile back into resolve.
So i did that.

Here is a split screen timeline Image. Original Footage + Rendered file (uncompressed YUV 10 bit.avi)
http://monostep.org/temp/resolve5.jpg

I don't get it. I pressed every single button in the render settings... and try every format.
i rendered 10, 20 videofiles. they all looks the same. all "crushed". Should i test Resolve 11, instead of Resolve 12.
I have no idea how to fix it. grrrrrr.

"pushing exr files to gamma 2.2"? Inverse Luts? what?
Guys... why not start a new thread about "exr" / "icc" /"sRGB" / "Luts" / "ACR", etc...
#justsayin #nohate

1. I´m using an EIZO Monitor. But i think it doesn't matter. Even if you work on some cheap monitor.. and you
see a difference with the output file you can take a screenshot and check the colors in photoshop. To make it clear:
I am using ONE Monitor. Not two.. and the screenshots are from the same monitor.
2. I´m not using Quicktime. I checked the rendered file in Media Player Classic, VLC Player and Quicktime. It looks the same. I also checked my NVIDIA Card Settings.
3. I rendered "uncompressed YUV", "uncompressed RGB", "mpeg4", "DNxHD", DNxHR", "h264", etc... all with the same results.

I allways looks like this:
http://monostep.org/temp/resolve3.jpg



@cmccullum: what should i do in the "color management settings"? I can only change the colorspace in
the timeline... but thats not the problem. The footage in the timeline looks fine! not washed out. It
looks exactly like the footage i imported. But the rendered file looks "crushed". "Broadcast save" is OFF.
And no LUTS selected.



@Andy600: You wrote i should check "'Data levels' settings in the Deliver page". It was on "auto"
I tested "data level" mode and "video level" mode. Here is the result:


http://monostep.org/temp/resolve4.jpg

I get better results with "video" levels.. but its still "crushed".
As I wrote before. The Input video looks 100% perfect in the Resolve timeline.
But the output file is still to dark. Its a bit better when using "video mode".
but it should be 100% correct. not 99% correct. When i render an uncompressed file in AE or Premiere
(with no color grading) the output file looks exact the same as the input file. That is what i'm testing
right now with Davinci Resolve. And i don't get it why the image is getting "crushed".

sorry. somehow forget about your comment... cause i think i checked all the settings from top to buttom. Tomorrow i will have a closer look at the "color management settings".

[1.]

I did another test. Here is a screenshot:
http://monostep.org/temp/resolve3.jpg

1. I took the DNG Files into AE and rendered an"uncompressed avi" file.
2. I took that avi file into Davinci Resove. So far so good. The file looks good in AE, looks good in my Media Player Classic / VLC, and looks good in Davinci Resovle. perfect.
3. After i rendered that file with Davinci Resolve... (as mpeg4, h264, or uncompressed) the blacks are crushed, whites are brighten up, skin tones looks different, etc.

As you can see in the screenshot. So it has nothing to do with the DNG Files.
The Preview in Resolve is also fine. 100% accurate.
Only the last step... rendering in Resolve... "changes" the colors. I have no idea
how to fix that.

@Andy600: I've changed the level settings to data levels... but there is no change.
Here is another screenshot:
http://monostep.org/temp/resolve2.jpg

Maybe the "preview" is not washed out. (in resolve i made a test and crushed the blacks, and also lighten up the
image to pure white... make a screenshot and checked the color in Photoshop. Its 100% black and 100% white)
So the preview in Resolve is not "washed out". But in the final rendering the blacks are more "crushed".
The image has more contrast. (as you can see in the screenshot). I'm using ML DNG  Files from Canon 50D. Convertet
with MLViewer.

to me... it doesn't look like "washed" out anymore. Becaue i get 100% black and 100% whiote in Resolve.
Its more that in the uncompressed output file... somehow the "dynmaic range" is gone. And the blacks are "crushed".

Just try another card. Buy a faster card. 1066x .. 160 MB write speed, or more.
Even if the card says "150 mb, or 160 ... sometimes you will only get 80 or 90. So
but simple buy the fastest card you can get.

Check out this sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16cgnRivbUv7nA9PUlCLmLdir3gXdIN3pqzCNAAybepc/edit#gid=5

So... i think you need a faster card. the 5D Mark III should handle Full HD 16:9.

I've got a strange problem in Resolve. The Image
in Resolve looks "washed out" / grey. but when i render it.. it looks fine.

Here is a screenshot:
http://monostep.org/temp/resolve.jpg

i rendered a uncompressed avi file. So no codec / compression algoryhtm which
changes the colors or something. Any idea how to fix it?
btw. when i start Resolve i've got the "Quicktime thing not found". (but i've got quicktime)
Might that be the problem?

[1. ARLT - Gaming PC - 960,- EURO]

Hello,

I want to buy a new PC. Budget: Around 1000,- Euros.
Want to edit ML raw Footage in Davinci Resolve. (Did this allready with my old PC, but its slow)
My last two computers was some "Gaming PC" from ARLT. (www.arlt.com)
I've checked these three PC's (one from "ARLT", the other two from "Cyberport")


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1. ARLT - Gaming PC - 960,- EURO


- Intel Core i7-4790 (3,6GHz)
- 8GB RAM
- 240GB SSD
- 1000GB HDD
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX750
- ohne Betriebssystem

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-16 GB RAM
- 120 GB SSD,
- 1 TB Festplatte
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- Windows 10 Home 64 Bit

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- Intel® Core™ i5-6400 Prozessor (bis zu 3,3 GHz), Quad-Core
- 16 GB RAM
- 2 TB SSHD
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX960 Grafik (2048 MB)
- Windows 10 Home 64 Bit,

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The first "Lenovo" PC is much cheaper, but got 16 MB ram. But only "i5" instead of "i7" CPU.
And only 120 GB SSD instead of 240 GB. The Second Lenovo got a 2 TB SSHD...
and i don't know if a "hybrid modell" is good or bad.

I don't care for "Windows 10". I've got Win7, so i would
install Win7 on the PC. Do not want Win 10 at all.

I want a PC with:

- I5 (or i7)
- 16 GB ram
- some NVIDA Card
- SSD (don't know if its important to have 240 GB, i think 120 GB is enough for Windows 7 and Systemsoftware. For Videostorrage even 240 GB is to small)
- NO Windows 10.

Any "thoughts" about that configuration. Is it enough. Should i spend more money?
What are the really IMPORTANT parts when buying a new PC.

And do you know some good Computer stores in Berlin. I was allways a big fan of "ARLT.com".
But they are not in Berlin. I can order a PC online. But I´m more the guy that goes into a store
and buy a PC in a store. So www.cyberport.de is the only decent PC Hardware Store i know in Berlin so far.
I'm not so happy with Acer, HP... Lenovo did great Laptops. Any sugesstion on Brands... which i should avoid?

I found a solution. The issue is calles "Screen tearing". WIKI:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing

there is an online tool to check Screen Tearing:
http://www.vsynctester.com/

Solution: I have to turn "Aero" Design ON... at Win7.
Sounds strange. But it works.

Windows Vista and 7 Aero issues:
"Currently Geforce users two imperfect states they can run in. With Aero turned on, the OS can decide to simply
not display frames from an application, even though the application is creating a perfect 60 FPS. With Aero turn off
you will often see tearing no matter what, even if you follow all the other rules outlined in this article. "

https://www.derivative.ca/wiki088/index.php?title=Vertical_Sync_and_Horizontal_Tearing

I was shooting yesterday with my 50D RAW.
Somehow the camera decided to record the last two shoots only in h264 (1920 x 1080p) instead or ML-RAW.
I took the camera home. copy the files. And got ten RAW files.. but also two .mov files.
I put the card back in, film again. And the camera shoot RAW again. As it should.

I´m 100% sure that i did not change the RAW Settings while shooting. It was point and shoot (hit record)
I was NOT in the ML Menu. The settings was all the same.

Now i will load up the "file system" and have to check after every single shoot if the camera recorded RAW or a mov file.
Anyone else got this problem?

Update. Second Video:
https://vimeo.com/166871670

I contacted LG. They say i should check the Video codec and the cable.
Its not the video codec. I play Youtube videos, too. And even when i browse
slideshows on the internet the monitor flickers. (you can see it in the video)
I also checked the cable. Use different cables. Same problem.

LG schreibt:
"In der beschriebenen Situation ist - bei aktuellen und sauber installierten
Treibern - die Grafikkarte nicht das Problem, ebenso wäre mir auch keine
Einstellung / Funktion im Monitor bekannt, dass den erkennbaren Effekt auslösen
könnte."

Any ideas?

Hi... I bought some new Monitor. Nothing spezial. A "LG Electronics 24MB35PY-B".
Put it via DVI on my Graphic Card. Running FullHD (1080p) in 60 Hz.

And the "flickering" (not really a flickering... more like "image slicing flicker" thing) when watching movies, own videos files, etc... driving me nuts.
I filmed my monitor... so here is an example:

https://vimeo.com/165202865

I don't know how to fix that issue. Is it the "Refresh rate" of the monitor? The DVI cable?

Don't save money on the card. I´ve got a 50D, too.
And this card:

SanDisk Extreme Pro CompactFlash 64GB
Speicherkarte (bis zu 160MB/s lesen)

ca. 90 Euros on Amazon.
You can record around 20 minutes raw Footage.

And maybe buy some fast USB.3.0 Card reader, too. like this one:

Lexar Professional USB 3.0 Dual Slot Kartenleser
(Kompatibel mit SD und UDMA Flash Speicherkarten)
Around 25,- Euros

Awesome Video.
Can you say something about your color grading.

Did not know about prad.de - will check it out! Thanks!
(funny... that someone picked the same Iiyama Modell like i did. And got the same old EIZO. Its definitely not me)