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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 10:22:28 PM »

Summarizing edit from mods: I went back to making videos on my cell phone and won't be bothering any of you with my opinions for the time being.

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 10:01:57 PM »

Well i'm not professional at all. I do other things (music). But i love filiming as well and everything i do, i try to do my best. It was the first experience in shooting and there is a lot of things i did wrong i know. It was posted just to show my experience with Canon 50D RAW module. If it looks stupid for someone, well ok then But at least i can be honest with myself that i completed the project and it was a lot of hard work for me (shooting, editing, color grading etc). Cheers!

yeah i could say that it was your first experience)

ps canon 50d isnt good for first experience
use phone first

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 09:28:29 PM »

I'm thinking bying myself an old 50D as a spare for y 5D2 and I wanted to know if there is something better in super35 sensor for RAW. (I've found one 50D for 380E)  and of course if the max resolution (1584x1058) can be achieve easyly ? What I've seen on EOSHD and on VIMEO with the 50D looks really impressive.... 

if i would be you, i would definently buy canon 50d

coz to me canon 5d mark 2 seems like odd brick

(however 5d mark 3 is diamond)

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 09:16:50 PM »

Hey man there is a lot to be said about this video but I don't think you know shit about color correction and grading. My brother did the color correction and color matching, he managed to pull amazing info out of the few H264 clips we used and managed to match them to the RAW files, getting evry bit of info out of the skies using luma mascs.
Go read http://www.amazon.fr/Color-Correction-Handbook-Professional-Techniques/dp/0321713117 then you can talk about CC...

yeah man
thats what i said
u matched raw to h.264
i could say that)

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 09:12:41 PM »

what is th max write speed at this moment?

i use the best card on the planet
lexar x1000
on canon 50d

and i cant make it run faster that 55 mb/sec on continuous green recording not yellow or red thing.

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 08:49:00 PM »

I'm no master at anything.

In regards to your mannerism, there is no reason why anyone should say something is stupid. You might think it's stupid, but have the common courtesy and respect for your fellow filmmakers and give constructive & encouraging feedback. Or don't leave feedback at all.

yeah maybe i sound rude
its just my love to quality of canon 50d
cant leave me careless to crap)

i see your tutorial and thats amazing color grading
thats all i say
btw your skills would be helpful to previous post video about bikes)

the shots was good
but the color grading is missing

it looks like those folks applied your flatz preset and just left it like that)

i understand bleach bypass when u got h.264 shot
but not on 14 bit raw
its not even prores! its more colors and tones
lets respect magic lantern team work and use maximum out of canon 50d

p.s. hey people, seriously, canon 50d can make it better (watch D.I.Watson tutorial for comparison)

hey dudes

you wana see what professional film makers do?
watch this videos

pay attention that almost every single scene is shot with a rule of thirds for main characters eye
(that 3 part lines horizontal and vertical i shown above)

and thats not even what u got! a raw machine canon 50d

come on!

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 06:35:46 PM »

You with your green cat and constant requests on step-by-step colorgrading tutorials think THIS looks stupid??
Please show us some of your work - And not just your tests!


Regards,
ezpRado

of coz i might show when i make something on canon 50d

now i can only show what i did on nikon d7000 which is not this topic discussion)

my green cat was made on 640 by 240 pixel
which is less than my old nokia n86 can do
it is raw video 14 bit color 24 frame per second on 6 mb/sec continuous non stop raw video
on kingston 10 years old compact flash old technology card

3 times less consuming than h.264 codec compressed on Nikon D7000
which is also very very light and compressed video shooter
so i just set a new record of raw shooting with that green cat shot for most less consuming raw shoot) that was fun

to show that the quality is not so bad
when it comes to a memory card speed for continuous shooting on low resolution in raw

also i dont ask shit people for their step by step color grading
i ask from the master of art like D.I.Watson

i said clip above was stupid except for one shot
so to prove you i just made a screen shot of the 2:08 seconds shot of this clip above
check it and judge for yourself.



i didnt measure it

i just chosed a shot that look nice to me
and i just applied a 3 parts on horizontal and vertical
really straight lines and 3 parts

the eye and nose felt just on 2 of key points

and if you remember for a good camera composition
your objects target must be at least close to one of this 4 key points where lines are crossed

and if u ask why? who made this rules?
God made, when he made our eyes and brain
scientists found that human looks on this 4 cross points of the image automatically at first look
starting fromo top left going to top right then bottom left and bottom right

so if u wana attract attention of a viewer place your message there
otherwise it is stupid composition that is not attracting at all.

oh my god
this shot was GOOOD

but the rest is awful

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 06:33:24 PM »

also what is stupid is this few things

i was expecting guy to start singing
it is stupid that he didnt

also the people shots are not correct
the camera work is awful composition

editing is awful
u cant stick close up and wide shots after each other with such huge gap

also stupid things is almost everything

only good shot was on 2:08 second and girl on 1:36 look pretty and make sense.

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 06:22:48 PM »

Let me explain myself, if you all ask for it.
It looks stupid to me for some reason that is about a person who did it.
I just don't think this is good example of use of such a great tool as magic lantern presented us with canon 50d.

and the clip above i could make it on my old nokia phone =)
but I won't do it. because it is silly) silly storyboard and editing as stated above.
and the silliest thing is the way of using canon 50d in such way.
its like cutting away all dynamic range and 14 bit color and everything
its also post processed and codec and fps was all messed up probably...

i dont know, this just doesnt make any sense to me.

and yes
this clip would be 100x better if the author would not touch color grading at all.
just leave it as its shot and even at that point it would be much better.

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 05:22:10 PM »

Nah, 3200 looks tightly better to me - or less worse. There's almost a red block above the "1600" tag. But, then again, in this image. Probably, like you said, the higher ISOs are not practically different.

yeah probably everyone should avoid 1600 iso
better to use 800 and 3200

probably the best way to manage dual iso is
use 200 and 3200

cpz using 800 has no sense
it is clean by itself

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 16, 2013, 05:21:18 PM »

Here is the little music/promo/teaser video i'v made with 50D RAW...this was the first experience and i think i can't go back to H264 mode ever!

no offense
it looks stupid to me)

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 14, 2013, 04:56:58 PM »

Yeah, thats why i want mister D.I.Watson to show his grading workflow.
Coz many people do many stuff, but they never do what he did...

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Flicker in ACR/After Effects

« on: August 14, 2013, 12:54:47 PM »

Okay, there have been popping up presets for After Effects/Adobe to get flat pictures, import or render them to 10bit and apply luts or whatever. I've also read people complaining about flickering in ACR.


To avoid this, I have "created" two a camera profiles which give you a very flat picture style and some desaturation. This is just a test as I'm not an expert but I think it works fine (tried out with the 50d raw video with cdng files). I will look into it again when I have some time. Here are the camera profiles:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sxxj82szbimxn8f/MLfilm%20slight.dcp
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yhv4qsquaygs3s/MLfilm%20strong.dcp

You have to put them into c:/users/"your username"/AppData/Roaming/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles

Afterwards they should appear under the camera calibration tab.

oh this is cool
but can u also add some samples of your final video
and most important your color grading step by step workflow

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 14, 2013, 12:05:11 AM »

@Silkway - might I suggest you look here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=14.0

Grading and workflow has been covered extensively.

Oh thank you sir!

Its exciting to get adressed messages from a person who actually compiled our magic software that sits in our favourite canon 50d and makes us happy =)

I find some interesting articles there such as RAW and audio syncing.

But I still want to get the tutorial from D.I.Watson

simply because it is his unique author workflow
and because what i see from his works is exactly what i like
and i would love to be able to do similar stuff in my post production for footage i get from canon 50d raw video)

p.s. also excited about communications with mister 1%
who is actually we expect fixes green cast on dual iso of canon 50d)

a little off topic
when i first heard about magic lantern
i thought deveplopers must be about green lantern the movie
and now when we see green stuff in dual iso raw stills of canon 50d
that thought comes in my mind - its green because its green lantern)

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 13, 2013, 04:59:56 PM »

Hey there Silkway.

I'm not sure why your image is cast green - there must be a white balance issue. The preset does not affect your white balance - that you must set yourself using the eye drop tool in ACR.

about cat from raw video? it is not green. i just color graded it so it looks green
but the dual iso stills are green by themselves
in some way it is good - ready color grading in raw hehe

The flatz preset does not manipulate saturation - it uses tonemapping to get as much detail out of your shadows and highlights to be able to render to a more manageable file format for grading. You apply it to a sequence, but you can also use Bridge to apply it to all of your DNG's at once if you prefer.

To get the DNxHD file formats, you need to download them from AVID here: http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Compatibility/en350875

Thanks for the link. I will check it out. Also probably the Apple ProRes must be downloaded same way?

Davinci is a powerful industry standard color correction software. Naturally, I prefer it for professional work. Unlike Adobe AE, it provides you with a RGB Parade to see if your grades/colors are broadcast legal.

Here is a workflow video I did quickly covering the basics of this preset:

Yeah ive seen your workflow tutorial. But this doesnt cover the work in Da Vinci software.
So if you can make one, i would love to learn from you!

because i loaded my DNG files with cat
i applied your preset Flatz
it made it kinda flat
then i try after effects to enhance the sequence
but i couldnt make it shine, as it shown on your tutorial

i need your tips about Da Vinci post processing... to make my raw look like yours (even i used low resolution)

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 13, 2013, 02:21:28 PM »

@Silkway - The green cast is there probably for the reasons 1% described earlier. Dual ISO on the 50D is a 'work in progress'.


For raw video, the 50D certainly does have a 'look' to it. I like it. I love the 5d3's raw video and the 7D is looking like it could be great too.

Yeah it has a look in stills as well. A different thing probably, but also unique and fancy.

Yeah i thought 1% said that the reason of green cast is going beyond limits of actual ISO ability of canon 50d.
If thats not the case, looking forward to know what is the reason...

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 13, 2013, 01:32:42 PM »

Good for you I know a lot of pros who would disagree with that. For ISO and DR, the 50D is inferior to most Rebels and certainly inferior to the newer cameras but it's still good for the money. TBH I just saw some footage from the Digital Bolex and IMO the 50D easily matches it.... probably betters it.

I highlighted the ISO range not for dual ISO but for raw video (although it will have relevance to Dual ISO too) because if this is the case it will be better to shoot within the ISO limitations of the camera and increase/decrease exposure etc in post. It's all about getting the best SNR and DR from the sensor no matter what it's specific limitations are. Digitally amplifying ISO in-camera can be inferior to doing it in an image editing app AFIK.

yeah but woops...

i shot this in dual iso 200-800 ("within limitations")
and still green cast is there...



and yeah this is 100% crop of the raw file processed in dual iso with noise reduction applied

i dont know why, but i just like the way it looks.
all the rebels and even canon full frame cameras such as 5d mark 3 doesnt give this look...
this is fat juicy look from 1dx, 1dc cameras... and kinda shadow blur. canon 50d stills looks warm and professional to me

P.S. sorry for dual post - i hate it too. i accidently did it coz click "quote" instead of "modify" and couln't delete so just modified it.

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 13, 2013, 01:14:54 PM »

So the 50D is actually 200 - 1250 ISO  everything else is digitally amplified?

to me that is just sufficient
and for most pro photographers

if ISO 1250 going to give look of ISO 200 with dual iso upgrade on canon 50d
it is just as good as what high end full frame sensors are giving
or even better than that

shooting ISO 1250 (or 1600) is okay
and if i get picture as if i shot on ISO 200

thats all i need from stills...

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 13, 2013, 12:10:26 PM »

hey people what iso you shoot raw video on canon 50d?

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 13, 2013, 11:46:50 AM »

So, I'm loving the Tragic Build. Great work there guys.

Also, pulled out that cheap nifty fifty to check it's sharpness at 3x crop mode. Absolutely sharp. What a great lens! This is a still from 2K footage at 3x crop. Of course, I used my Flatz Preset to render out a DNxHD and grade in resolve. No post sharpening added. You can download that here: www.dlwatson.net/flatz-preset.html


Click the image to see in full res

hey can u explane this thing? im interested
what is flatz preset? is it just to make flat unsaturared picture for color grading?
i know u apply it in adobe camera raw in after effects import of dng files
but do you need to apply it to every frame or to sequence?

and why my after effects doesnt have output formats such ad DNxHD
maybe i have to update it?

and what is it unique about da vinci and why use it?
i mean can u suggest after effects plug in alternative to work with your flatz preset

also i cant even export to prores 4444 or anything...

my adobe cs6 is kinda empty...

this is what ive got after using your preset
btw this i did on 640 by 240 resolution raw on canon 50d on iso 1600 or so...
coz i wanted to test raw video on old compact flash card from kingston
it is speed around 6 mb/sec  24fps
compared to my other card which is lexar x1000 55 mb/sec
that can record something around 1585 by 900 or more
 


not so bad for 6 mb/sec 24fps raw recording isnt it?

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 13, 2013, 11:41:49 AM »

I will post some comparsions of 50d dual iso vs d7000,d300,d800 for you, but I will wait until it's more tested.

And honestly, the 50d is pretty bad at stills, it has a nasty filter (very soft) so it doesn't even stand up against 12mp cameras and the ISO performance is also not up to the task when compared to any modern camera (apsc,fullframe,m43,etc...).

yeah i dont need to see such comparisons coz i shoot myself with d7000 and 50d on daily basis

and i know that 50d is pretty awful in low light at high iso for stills
also not very sharp but kinda soft images compared to nikon d7000 (d800 same pixel density).

but
i like the picture coming from canon 50d, i like its unique and kinda juicy fat look
compared to flat digital and tack sharp look from nikon

thats why i was considering shooting on 50d stills even on awful noisy 1600 iso

but now with dual iso i can shoot 50d and make post processing and add noise reduction to raw images
and i get that nice and fat pictures i want, but with hell less noise on high iso

it is that much good, that really there is not much difference from it and full frame camera images at the end

but only problem is this green shadow and highlights
when this is done, then pretty much it is going to be the killer of all cameras ever...

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 13, 2013, 03:20:13 AM »

Maybe ML thinking its 1600 is causing the green shadows... I know pink/green? highlight come from gain, ie. using ISO 50. Not sure if the numerical value is just a placeholder or actually used in post processing.

oh yeah indeed!
there is a green stuff going on on canon 50d dual iso...

and i dont know if it is suitable hmm...

in some way its not so bad of course

but would be nice to see the solution...

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Modules Development / Re: Dual ISO - massive dynamic range improvement

« on: August 13, 2013, 03:17:42 AM »

oh yeah indeed!
there is a green stuff going on on canon 50d dual iso...

and i dont know if it is suitable hmm...

in some way its not so bad of course

but would be nice to see the solution...

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 13, 2013, 02:46:16 AM »

btw i have a question

there is 1080p compressed H.264 video at 30 fps on canon 50d
and there is a bitrate compression choices such as 1x,2x,3x

how does this show up in mb/sec?
is there any comparison with other DSLR videos?

or for example Panasonic GH3?

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Tragic Lantern / Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d

« on: August 13, 2013, 02:38:47 AM »

The thing is, I never consider canon cameras for stills.
But i was looking towards Nikon new full frame line up.
Because of it's superb low noise in high ISO.

But canons are all good this days because of magic lantern.

Only thing compact flash card must be instead of sd card.

That's why i still look for 5d mark 3 but thats not the stills photo reason at all...

I mean to say - with dual ISO on canon i dont need to buy full frame nikon for stills.

But with magic lantern on 5d mark 3 it is of course has a lots of advantages, however if just compared without magic lantern full frame solutions - now canon 50d is just as good for me and better.

p.s. canon full frame top level 1dx doesnt have magic lantern. isnt it? so good comparison with 50d and its new dual iso capability then...