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I am having issues importing the cDNGs from my 5D3 into Premiere Pro CC.



Here is some info:
raw2cdng 1.6.1 - 12bit max, highlight fix, vertical banding

5D3 1.1.3 ML Oct 7, 14
50mm 1.4
KB 64GB 1000x (exfat)

MLV module
1920x818
Files > 4GB: ON
Buffer fill method: 4
CF-only buffers: 1
Reserve card space: ON
(if not listed, off or default)

Premiere Pro CC 2014.1
Windows 8.1 64bit
i7 990x
16GB RAM
GTX 780
.NET Framework 4.5.1

Debug:

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[drop] -- file C:\Users\Chad\Desktop\Test cDNG\M20-1456.MLV.
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[drop] -- file C:\Users\Chad\Desktop\Test cDNG\M20-1456.MLV will be analyzed now.
[drop] is MLV
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hasAudio=True
audioFile=
audioSamplingRate=48000
audioBitsPerSample=16
audioFormat=1
audioChannels=2
audioBytesPerSecond=192000
audioBlockAlign=4
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xResolution=1920
yResolution=818
frames=117
bitsperSample=14
bitsperSampleChanged=0
isLog=False
colorMatrix=System.Byte[]
lostFrames=0
fpsNom=23976
fpsDen=1000
duration=00:04:01
dropFrame=False
fpsString=23.98
stripByteCount=2748480
stripByteCountReal=2748480
modell=Canon EOS 5D Mark III
camId=MAGIC9bc9385
apiVersion=0
splitCount=1
photoRAW=False
photoRAWe=False
RGGBValues=System.Int32[]
RGBfraction=System.Int32[]
wb_R=0.629766297662977
wb_G=1
wb_B=0.457960644007156
whiteBalance=3600
whiteBalanceMode=9
whiteBalanceGM=3600
whiteBalanceBA=3600
blackLevelOld=2047
blackLevelNew=2047
whiteLevelOld=15000
whiteLevelNew=15000
maximize=True
maximizer=5.05952289045009
previewPic=
previewFrame=0
errorString=
isMLV=True
DNGHeader=
version=1.6.1
versionString=System.Byte[]
propertiesString=
verticalBandingCoeffs=
verticalBandingNeeded=False
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fileName=C:\Users\Chad\Desktop\Test cDNG\M20-1456.MLV
fileNameOnly=M20-1456
fileNameShort=M201456K
fileNameNum=201456
tempPath=C:\Users\Chad\AppData\Local\Temp\
sourcePath=C:\Users\Chad\Desktop\Test cDNG
parentSourcePath=Test cDNG
basePath=
destinationPath=
extraPathInfo=
_changedPath=
outputFilename=
creationTime=10/20/2014 3:03:58 PM
modificationTime=10/20/2014 2:56:46 PM
VIDFBlock=
RAWBlock=
*****
***** [getMLVAttributes] lensData Object:
lens=EF50mm f/1.4 USM:
focalLength=50
aperture=220
isoValue=200
shutter=1/64s
*****
[drop] MLV Attributes and Blocklist created and sorted. Blocks: 394
[drop] hasAudio. AUDF-List created. Blocks: 26
[drop] VIDF-List created. Blocks: 115
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[drop] VIDF-Blockdata read and created.
[drop] adding M20-1456 to batchList
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[drop] verticalBanding enabled. decision: do it
[drop] verticalBanding CoEffs: 1 0.996742462104726 1.00024283298405 1.00935884271917 0.998710116109811 0.997916433956018 0.99985583655609 0.985100399264895 1
[drop] ** Item M20-1456 imported | MLV
[drop] * res 1920x818px | 23.98fps | 115 frames | BL2047 | WL15000
[drop] * modell Canon EOS 5D Mark III | vidfblocks 115 | has audio
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[convert_Click] all in all there are 115 frames to convert
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[doWork] 12 Cores used
[doWork] -> converting item M20-1456
[doWork] settings format 4 with BL0 WL4095 with+ maximizingvalue 5
[doWork] prefix - filename generator Test12m_[D]_[C]
[doWork] destinationPath -> Test12m_141020_201456
[doWork] outputFilename  -> Test12m_141020_201456
[doWork] Directory C:\Users\Chad\Desktop\Test cDNG\Test12m_141020_201456 created
[doWork] took DNGtemplate and changed values
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MLV Download:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwd3r5HwGFltOUZHT0RJenpvUDg/view?usp=sharing

[DOWNLOAD: CROP MARKS v1.2]

I made some cropmarks that worked well from me so I though I would share them. I made them as simple as possible and if potential clients see them they would not be distracted by them.

The pack includes 1.77:1, 2.35:1 and 3:2 ratios of the Rule of Thirds, Golden Triangle, Golden Spiral compositions. It also includes the "Fincher Fifths" and 5x zoom preview. As well as a EF-S cropmark if you are using an EF-S lens on an full frame camera. The actual viewable image of an EF-S lens on a full frame sensor changes from lens to lens so I based it solely off of the image sizes. It also includes crop marks with and without the ML Logo.

The cropmarks will work on all ML supported cameras. They are always scaled to fit the 3:2 LiveView image. If there are any issues, please post here with the details and I will attempt to fix them.The community has my permission to do as they like with these images and could even include them in the nightlies or final product if they wanted.

Keep in mind you can only have 9 cropmarks activatable at this time in ML. You will want to pick the ones that fit you best. "ML Essentials," a folder has the most often used in one location for easy picking.

Instructions / Information included in the download.

Example  **image simulated**


2.35:1 Golden Spiral with Logo


1.77:1 Golden Ratio


DOWNLOAD: CROP MARKS v1.2
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The vertical banding fix seems to be working great for me. However, I tried 12 bit max, 16 bit and 16 bit max with no luck of importing them into Premiere Pro CC. It would state the files are damaged or corrupt. Possible user error? When I gave it files in one folder it worked fine but, I had files in 5 different folders and it placed them in the batchlist, it loaded them fine but when I hit convert, it crashed. I love the new GUI and the simplicity. You're doing what a company hires a team for! Great work!

Update: There were about 50 MLVs between the 5 folders. And, I had vertical banding fix checked with the coversion before attempting to use them in Premiere Pro CC.

Was a noticeable speed difference for me. Great work! I can also report the black and white lines when trying to use crop mode. Also, if I am in photo mode with Live View off on my 5D3 and try to play a MLV video, it is just a black screen with all of the on screen displays working just as if it was playing but there is no picture.

Glad to help and appreciate all your hard work! Looking forward to the next release!

@chmee - Sent you a Google Drive link.

I have a 5D3 that has vertical banding. Any particalur things you want me to shoot for you? Lens cap on, blown out, underexposed, time limit? Just let me know and I could send you some.

I have been using it most of the time. I haven't noticed any variations of distortion or moire in ACR. While it can be argued that lens corrections, fixing distortion that comes with a given lens, can ruin that lens look. But, you may not always want that. Trying to keep color correction, or just making sure each shot doesn't vary too much between shots can make lens corrections useful depending on how you are shooting. Same thing with vignetting.. I'm looking at you Canon 50mm f1.4.

+1

It's not in Rec 709 but, it tends to be the best for me for judging proper exposure is Technicolor CineStyle. Not for colors but for a good, fast glance at expoure. Also, my understanding is that LV will read that flat profile of CineStyle and give you a better view on the histogram, waveform and other tools of your exposure instead of using a picture style like Standard. Someone should correct me if I am wrong. Works for me, might for you. Also, it is FREE!

http://www.technicolor.com/en/solutions-services/cinestyle

I don't know if debugging and impletementing your program is a holiday for you or not but, thanks for being a team player! I know ML users will be happy!

Thanks for the info and great work again!

Depending on your settings in Lightroom, you could have flicker is some situations. ACR/Lightroom was designed and optimized for individual pictures, not a stream of images. I recommend only adjusting white balance, exposure and maybe some lens corrections and noise reduction. Then, use VisonLog (free) or Cinelog (not free) to not have flickering. To save steps, bring it into After Effects (16 bit timeline) and then export in Proress 444, not Lightroom. Less conversion, more quality. Even faster is working in Resolve with the cDNG on BDM Film with a VisonLog lut.

There are other options too. Davinci Resolve and After effects can look intimidating to some. But, a few YouTube tutorials will point you in the right direction.

I think you and your team did a great job! Even though I can't speak Spanish, I can appreciate your film work. Looks like a lot of time and effort and I bet it'll pay off big!

What kind of issues did you have to over come with using ML compared to a a unhacked system like Red or Black Magic? I saw you showing the artist clips from the camera I assume running from MLV Play, were they understanding of the quality of replaying it in camera? Did you experience any system crashes?

Great work!

In my tests, ACR gives me better results, I use VisionLog which is free and a great flat profile. Also, it has lens corrections, noise reduction, grain for no extra cost. Resolve is much faster but does not include these corrections for no additional cost. Also, BDM film was not designed for ML RAW, it was designed for Black Magic cameras. ACR was designed for DNGs, VisonLog was designed for ML RAW. Just something to keep in mind.

Nice video! I didn't see any flickering when your color grading in ACR which tends to happen to me. I have been using VisionLog and exporting into DNxHD on Windows which has been giving great results. Especially since you can use noise reduction, remove chromatic aberations, distortions and vignetting... for no additional cost! I saw some good shots in there where you pulled focus very well. That can be hard to do on the full frame that is the 5D3. Good work!

Glad to see more things coming and expanding the team! Excited for more developments.

+1

+1

I checked out the video. I thought it was great. I feel like you made great use of the tools and what seemed to be a light-weight shoot. You took RAW in the way it was meant to be! Very lively, beautiful while still being realistic images. How did you work with your DNGs? Grading or Log profile in ACR? LUTs?

Have fun making money! 

Done very well! Good steadicam work and colors.

I think you did a great job! The pacing was done well, the types of shots and composition always kept my eyes glued. The colors you got out of the luts really held up. The music picked for it made it feel more alien to me and therefore, more interesting. Good job! Can you fill us in on your workflow for the visual side?

@sergiocamara93

Thanks for the info! Never mind about my request then. heh.

Just a thought for a request. I have seen in the MLV to DNG Batch Converter v1.9 there is an option to use an ACR profile when exporting the DNGs. The idea behind it is to apply an ACR preset that is a flat profile or one that you would create for what ever you have in mind. Then, you could either bring those into AE to export to ProRes or what ever codec you want OR bring those right into Premiere or Resolve with that preset applied. That would save a ton of clicks, especially with larger projects with bringing them with a flat preset applied already. However, I do not know if Premiere or Resolve will read that applied preset since cDNG is a different process than just the normal DNG (to my knowledge).

There are a few things that chmee has in his raw2cdng thread that help fix some issues brought up in this thread. While I recommend checking out his thread because there are work around for green/magenta issues, here is just some points to be noted. Please keep in mind that I am not expert. I have the 5D3, I need to have the black level fix enabled in the MLV module to not have the green tint. Then, I bring it into the raw2cdng 1.5 beta 6 (This is the current version. Links are on the raw2cdng thread. You have to click on the new version of his website inside the link he provided). I open the program, drag and drop the .MLVs, I use 12-bit and check fix pink highlights. It converts it and then you can open them in Premiere, Speedgrade and Resolve with no green or pink frames. I have had the audio synced, some have reports of it not working for them. I do not know why not for them. I use Premiere and Speedgrade with my editing and grading. I would not recommend only using ACR for your color grading. If you use some setting such as the contrast or clarity settings, you will have flickering if you push those settings to the extreme. ACR only looks at individual frames and not a stream of frames which cause these flickers. I would recommend using ACR to create a flat profile and change white balance only. Noise reduction can be use but, you may not get the best performance from it because it looks at individual frames. But, it is a good free solution. If you want to, export that footage to your preferred codec and work with it in your editing software. I recommend ProRes. Depending on your workflow, you may be interested in downloading Cinelog or VisonLOG as an ACR preset for a flat profile, change your white balance and export in ProRes to edit and use LUTS in Speedgrade or Resolve or just edit with those cdng files natively in Premiere or other software. Using the cdng will give you the best quality. Keep in mind, this is only an option. There are plenty of right ways, many more wrong. Resolve can change your white balance like ACR, Speedgrade is a bit more difficult because you have to change the RGB channel multipliers. Things still in the works with raw2cndg is the vertical banding which effects the 5D3. Looks like that should be implemented soon. There is plenty of information all over this website, all this information I have brought up is already in a thread somewhere here. Hopefully that helps answer some questions!