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I agree with CrazyRunner33 response to Britom's card speed question.

I own a Canon 50D with Raw_Rec and I have a Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card. The card may be capable of recording 125MB/s. However, due to the write limit of the 50D we are getting about 80MB/s. But yet, it also appears that the 50D is totally relying upon the extreme write speed in order to achieve writes upwards of 60MB/s.

Back to the 7D, I presume that a 600x is going to provide you with up to 60MB/s without trouble. However, we don't know how the 7D will handle the Raw_Rec module, just like what CrazzyRunner 33 had mentioned. We may find astonishing results with a 600x card in the 7D compared to that of the 50D due to the cameras different write speed capabilities...

This will definitely be something to post about when the time comes.

Beautiful imagery Flofifull!

[shooting raw with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter]

Any testers out there?

... How well does the 7D hold up when shooting raw with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter? Starting to think that this would be an excellent combination for production work.

... So close to not purchasing a BMCC MFT with a Speedbooster and just going with an ML 7D with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter. Could use some help.

Thanks.

Anyone shot with an ML 5D MII with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter?

[shooting raw with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter]

Any testers out there?

... How well does the 7D hold up when shooting raw with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter? Starting to think that this would be an excellent combination for production work.

... So close to not purchasing a BMCC MFT with a Speedbooster and just going with an ML 7D with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter. Could use some help.

Thanks.

... How well does the 7D hold up when shooting raw with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter? Starting to think that this would be an excellent combination for production work. Any testers out there?

PULSAR124...

The lens data is not recorded in the current firmware. However, G3ggo is working on an entirely new version of DNG files that includes the "metadata." It will be a great compliment for ACR for sure!

Thanks ML!

Not at expert response... Is your CF card old? What if it's intermittently reacting? Just a thought...

Using the right picture profile is tricky... For example, I've been working with some profiles such as Cinestyle and I too get similar results with the H264 exposure vs the raw... The reality of the processed image in LiveView is not the same as the raw footage being recorded to the card. Though I love looking at the Cinestyle picture profile compared to other picture profiles, especially in low-light... I will actually tend to shoot raw in Standard picture. Personally, I tend to dial in the Standard picture profile in a way that provides consistent exposure/noise floor results. Eventually, you'll be able to push the image as far as Cinestyle in post, but you've got to find the right pathway to the sensor and the LiveView.

The histogram doesn't lie... The Auto ETTR will push your shot right to the max without over clipping... You could technically continue to shoot with different picture profiles, but you'll definitely want to be zoned in on the histogram. Essentially, there are some picture profiles that truly boost the image to a great degree in LiveView. But, the data in the card is reading the information directly from the sensor. Keep practicing and stay true to the sensor readouts... They are there for you to push the limits. The LiveView simply serves as a constant unchanging rhythm featuring a dynamic range similar to a poor/standard quality computer monitor & television. Feel free to tune the LiveView to lean towards the results you most keenly require in post such as skin tones, black levels, and/or highlights.

Hang in there and keep up with the posts. Thanks everyone! Thanks ML Team!

I had no idea you could go under the file manager and locate clips. This is fantastic.

Based on your last statement, I had no idea I could play back clips in color. Is there a setting I should be looking for? If so, where?

Thanks!

I too am getting IS to work when half-pressing the shutter button during recording... Wonder if it can be implemented without pressing shutter?

When using the Canon 50D... Select the Raw Record Module in the Film Camera Menu section. Then, press the function button. Scroll down to the bottom of the menu. Locate the last recorded clip and press SET. Warning: If you turn your camera off you will not be able to view the last clip that you recorded. In addition, you are only able to view the last clip... Depending upon what version of ML you are running you may or may not be able to delete the last recorded clip. Tragic Lantern does... The compiled build does not.

Someone mentioned that the Canon 5OD does work with an Android tablet. However, there are some strange circumstances with the way it works... Might want to do a quick research through the past five pages or so... I kind of considered this option too... However, the limitations made using an HDMI monitor far more user friendly, in my opinion...

The FPS is never an issue when I'm not shooting in high-heat situations.

I shoot in lo-jello because the image is in line with the sensor refresh rate rather than an FPS trying to align to the shutter. It should hold better motion values. The jello effect is basically an issue with the sensor not refreshing fast enough to capture the time distances between frames. Essentially, lo-jello ought to provide a quicker capture of the time between sensor refreshes.

I'm considering shooting at 25 FPS lo-jello because it's a perfect 180 degree shutter.

What's up guys. Say I'm from Phoenix, AZ. I've been testing a lot here recently and have done so in some temperatures above 100 degrees and up to 115. What I've noticed is that when the temperature warning light comes on I get reduced frame rates. For example, I have the FPS set to 24 with low Jello, but the actual FPS is 22.148. It appears that the sensor slows down the FPS as a means of not overheating. The camera will not shut off for any reason, which is good. But take notice of your actual FPS when shooting. You'll want to keep an eye out for how you are going to align your audio/video in post.

Also sounds like your computer can not play back the video files fast enough. You may have a slow internal hard drive or external hard drive... Might want to consider an upgrade?

The camera output is constantly in 1080P when shooting raw. When recording H.264 the image is at 480P. I own a 50D and I've noticed that some frames (1 or 2 out of a 100) are riddled with a strange capture glitch when shooting raw with an HDMI monitor. However, this is a build that is about 1 to 2 weeks old now.

Why not test it out with a computer monitor or television monitor using either an HDMI to DVI adapter or just with an HDMI?

I'm thinking the 50D is in third, the 5D II in second, and the 5D III in first. Having downloaded footage from the 5D II it probably isn't that far off from the 5D III, in terms of resolution. However, the 5D III appears to offer far greater advancements in terms of pixel resolution and write speeds to the card. The 50D and the 5D II appear to have a similar generation of CMOS sensor. You'll probably find the two cameras are a perfect match for recording continuous raw using multiple cams.

...Having said all of that, remember that each camera features an ability to shoot 1:1. At that point, every camera records with a pixel to pixel perfectly sharp image. I suppose the quality of the 50D and 5D II are similar to the upcoming Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera when shooting in a 1:1 crop mode. However, the BMPC camera will have a much newer sensor and will feature better high-ISO noise performance. Then again, it's 12-bit and not 14-bit video. Technically it may be possible to apply noise reduction to the Canon 50D and 5D II and have the same low-noise performance based on the extra information.

Hey Crash-Film... Got a response to your card write-speed issue.

The math doesn't seem to add up when it comes time to how a card performs... Put a Komputerbay 64GB 1000x in a Canon 5DIII and experience 125MB/s write speeds. Place the same card in the 50D and experience approximately 70MB/s. The difference can be in the EXFAT format and the FAT32 format limitations. In addition to the card's read/write limitations, the camera also has it's read/write limitations. Thus, it's important to find the correct mate, if you will.

The reason why the math isn't really panning out is because the camera is writing data at the very edge of it's capabilities. And since it appears that your card is pushing the edge of it's capabilities, in addition to your camera, you may be dealing with what may be described as a double-negative recording process.

Try searching the ML forum and you might discover that the Lexar Professional 1000X and the Komputerbay 32GB 1000X, and the 64GB 1000X are the cards of choice. I can't write that for sure, of course. Myself, I've primarily been glued to the 50D Raw Recording forum and not so much the 5D II and 5D III. Anyway, the best value is probably 64GB 1000X from Komputerbay.... By the way Komputerbay has been quoted as stating, "We receive/sell/brand Lexar Professional's cards that didn't meet the highest, most stringent quality-control measures."

Aside from that bit of re-assurance in the quality of the Komputerbay, having originated from a high-end compact-flash card manufacturer, I guess we're discovering that the Lexar 800 compactflash card is more of an entry level UDMA 7 rather than a high-end UDMA 7.

You might consider turning off every feature not related to raw_record, and completely clear the screen of excess overlays, in addition, make sure you have all of your Canon menu settings for image & exposure set to disable. These are definite disrupters for maximizing raw_record.

Hang in there and keep up with the posts. See you around.

- Levi

Appears there are at least a couple of posts stating that the Komputerbay 32GB 1000X is producing high-MB/s recordings. You might try a search.

Here's a sample...

Quote from: alexcosy on June 15, 2013, 04:22:37 PM
Yes i'm on a 5D2, you think it has something to do with it?

I shot this morning 1880x800 2.35 @24p, and i can do it continuously.
Seems like 1728x972 16:9 is ok too continuously.

sould i send back and hope for a better one? i ve seen benchmarks up to 110MB/S but on 5D3, is it related?

Don't send it back. It is definitely to do with the upper limit that you can write on the 5DMKII. When you run the benchmark you will most likely get a faster speed write but when you record you will see anywhere between 59 - 68 - 70MB/s sometimes mine goes above 70MB/s (briefly but its more usual to see it around 63MB/s)

I have a Komputerbay 1000x 32GB

So what I am saying is that if you buy a faster one it is pointless because the 5DMKII will cap it by its bus limitation (unfortunately). The 5DMKIII has a higher limit and I don't know exactly what that is because I have no experience of them.
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I'm looking at some of the 5x crop images... They are incredibly sharp!!! No aliasing or moire. It's tough to look away.

Not sure if it's my ACR process, but I am noticing squares/black lines between the pixels. They are highly noticeable in a perfect blue sky.

Using the MagicRaw Beta 7 along with AE & ACR to process footage...

It was  106 degrees in Phoenix, AZ today. I found myself standing on top of a rock faced mountain overlooking most of the city. Had a set of lenses, 2 64GB 1000X Komputerbay cards, and a slew of batteries...

The camera showed the "overheating" indicator on-screen quite-a-lot. However, the camera did not power off. I used to own a 550D and that camera would automatically shut down after about 10 minutes in direct sunlight. I carried a large white towel to utilize the Canon's display in direct sunlight as well as to protect and keep the camera cool when moving from shot to shot. In the end, the camera did not automatically turn off, not once.

It was reliable enough to set the camera to raw_record, start/leave the recording, climb the last 30 feet of a mountain, and grab a hero shot!

Say, if you haven't used MagicRAW beta 6 from Thomas Worth I highly recommend downloading this beta. Files are spanning perfectly. Here is a link to beta 7... http://www.mediafire.com/download/ht3ydb4s254ka5z/RAWMagic-beta7a.dmg. I imagine it's only better than beta 6.

When outputting HDMI signal from 50D... I am using the May 9th build.

1. Playback of raw footage causes the camera to freeze. (Have two 50Ds and both have the same issue.)

2. ML Overlays have been very tricky. For example, I am able to view Global Draw and use my histogram for exposure settings on startup with the Canon display. Then, I will plug in the HDMI. The external monitor does not show the histograms or anything related to ML (except ML menus). When unplugging the HDMI, I am no longer able to view the ML histograms and feature sets on the Canon display during liveview. It's almost like the camera is back to the original Canon factory settings.

a. When turning on raw_recording I am able to display part of what may appear to be an ML on-screen overlay on the external monitor. It's like part of a very large white square, a square that is offset of the screen. It is blinking.

b. Also, when the camera is recording footage the recording bars are blinking on screen. However, it's nearly impossible to view the status of just how much footage has been captured and how many MB/s the camera is writing to the card.

Oh, I'm outputting the HDMI signal to an 23" LED monitor. It's not a production monitor. BUt that shouldn't affect the test, right?

Lastly, I was able to view the correct ML Global Draw LiveView overlays as though the external monitor were the same as the Canon display, but only one time. I have not yet been able to re-create the same results... This occurred after adjusting ML menu feature sets in the ML menu and not upon upon start up of the external monitor.

... Just want to say thanks g3ggo and ML Team! Thanks GreggoryofManhattan, JulianH... and other ML testers.

... Been processing footage in ACR... Adjusted the output setting from Screen to Glossy Paper... Final images had vertical streaks in the image... Thought it was associated with the camera's native recording. Discovered that it was not the issue when I processed footage via RawMagic (doesn't work properly with 50D and utilizing the current June 8 build). Anyway, had posted earlier that it was an inherent factor in a shooter's ability to capture greater bit depth and image resolution... Good thing for tests, right?

... The ETTR technique (exposure to the right) is really pushing the boundaries of dynamic range and image resolution. Just sort of hanging back and thinking about a fast work-flow post-production procedure and of course proper file spanning. (Note: have not shot over 4GB yet and need to test. It appears that other users have spanned files and yet others haven't.)

The quality of the footage is really driving my abilities as a shooter into a whole new light. I'm quite satisfied with how well the camera consistently responds scene after scene.

Thanks.

I do use histogram, global draw, "Under 3:2" in the live view menu and also set my frames per second to low-light frame rates. This is all with the latest build.