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Mostly I think it's that the Mark III is full frame and so it has more pixels to start with. In general more pixels equals better quality (example 300dpi vs 72dpi). We're already at a 1.6 crop factor and then we're cropping that to get our raw videos. But hang in there, even with that, I can clearly see that a 1280 x 720 crop is still sharper than my h264 1280 x 720 and you get a better dynamic range with raw.  Some of it is filming technique as well. Lighting, not panning too fast, not using handheld, all that is important. Right ISO, right shutter speed and aperture, that is all important in a scene looking good. I bought a motorized panning head for around $130 because I just couldn't get a slow consistent pan and my youtube videos were always jerky. The motorized head was the answer for that.

actually i don't say 650d raw vids are all crap, i only compare it to m3. people that own m3 have also other professional equipment, maybe that is why they look superb. so i think you are probably right, it is mostly about handholding, fast hand moves and not messing with camera settings enough.

Alright folks, I have a new video out showcasing RAW on the 650D.

I used the latest build along with Foorgol's Pink Dot Remover (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6658)

Enjoy!

nice film feel but... i have a felling that raw videos from 650d lacks "quality" i don't know any other words to describe this. i mean, it doesn't look like a raw video from mark iii. of course mak iii is a lot better camera but, i have a 1366x768 resolution laptop, so i can't see too much difference between 1080p and 720p and raw videos from mark iii is looks just  superior on my laptop's screen. i wonder why?

is it because lame postprocessing skills we (i) got?

is there any faster sd card controller? let's  mass order them from china and change  our 550d/600d/650d/700d/60d sd card's controller with the chinese one. so everyone can shoot 1080p raw video:)

Almost 3 minutes! Nice

Not continuous (If you can fill your card I'd call it continuous) but enough for many situations. And way more than you can get with the 600D.

Good to see some benchmarks and more information about the 650D and 700D. So there is space for improvements. Squeezing out a bit more buffer and killing what ever eats the write speed should be possible. But with 95 Megabyte buffer and 37 Megabyte/s write speed the cameras are quite usable for RAW videos in my opinion.

By the way, are you German? Because you're using the German Amazon page ...

No, i'm not german, spider is... probably.  (i was lazy to search my card in google so i copied his link and did my search there)

so... 95mb/s sd has an advantage of ~1mb/s to 45mb/s sd right?

my 650d's benchmark results:

made with that card: http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-SDSDXPA-032G-X46-Extreme-SDHC-Speicherkarte/dp/B005LFT3QG/ref=sr_1_10?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1372613343&sr=1-10&keywords=sandisk+sdhc



settings didnt showed up like spiders's. but i got same settings. global draw:off, photo mode (m), build satriani 28.06.13

(Pic Q set to Raw) - Just got 4070frames of 1280x720 which is close to continuous right? or should i call it continuous?

So the Picture Quality setting does change the Shoot_Malloc size. Just like on the 600D and 60D. Good to know.
I wonder what you've done that midnite haven't done?

i was lazy to go through 'em all.  i tried only S M and L settings:) sorry. anyway its good to hear 650d has 95mb buffer:)

*moar tests are comin

And? Did it change anything?

On the 600D the only settings that affect the Shoot_Malloc size are "SRAW" and "MRAW". "MRAW" decreased it from 75 to 43 Megabyte and "SRAW" increased it to 103 Megabyte (It used to be 104 Megabyte until A1ex changed something ...).
The Canon settings had no effect. But since the "SRAW" and "MRAW" settings aren't available without Magic Lantern and can't be changed from the Canon GUI, I guess on the 650D you can't increase Shoot_Malloc at the moment?

Maybe a developer might put the "Pic Quality" setting on the 650D/700D too?
In the "Debug" tab you'll find an option that says "Screenshot - 10s". Press it and wait 10 seconds and you'll get a screenshot of whatever you see on the display The screenshot can be found as .BMP image on the SD-Card.

as i said before, it doesn't changed anything. i didnt mention i changed the settings from canon firmware though, sorry.

there is no Pic Quality setting in 650d's ML. i changed my settings on canon's firmware.

i have run another test. the other tests ive made so far was globall draw on, and some the other seetings was turned on. i turned off all and set pic quality to Small Fine, warmed up the card and... that's a record:

3295 frames. 4,95gb (card exFatted)

i tried most of the picture quality settings but it was all same.



nothing seems to change by changing picture quality. (global draw off, and other unnecessary things that are unrelated to raw video turned off like zebras, rgb charts etc)

how big your total files (1860 frames) ? If you try to record raw video second times, is there any change ? or it will dropped again at exactly 1861 frame?

well i wonder what card did kmcray use that can make 2500 frames.

i did another test and here are the results: 1280x720p, frame skipping:off, 24fps, 28.06.13 satriani build - sandisk extreme pro 32gb 95mb/s

1st test: 1945frames. 2,92gb

2nd test: (after the first recording i pressed rec button immediately)  2334frames. 3,50gb

edit: i just saw "small hacks" and "card warm-up" options under raw video menu. i'll make a test after enabling them too.

edit2: 3rd test: i enabled those options. at start i got an error message "hack error at 0" i think that means one of them didn't work.

anyway i got 2466 frames this time.

wow so its a big difference between sandisk 45mbs and 95mbs
Ok iwill invest that card.
1860/24=77, 5sec

1860frame 720p24 without drop frames?  Or it records continously after that?

720p 1860frames without dropping. it dropped the 1861th frame.

i used to record ~20seconds with my 45mb/s card until drop a frame.

yeah 95mb/s is a huge improvement.

i just bought a "32gb Sandisk Extreme Pro Sd 95mb/s" and i've made some tests with it.

now i can record 1579frames (1minute 4-5 seconds) of 1280x720p raw until it skips a frame.

i use the ML build 14.06.13 and raw_rec.mo is made in 21.06.13

i ll make some tests with newer builds soon. nanomad has said 1280x720p continious is possible with a decent sd card but i couldnt make it. (i don't know if sandisk extreme pro 95mb/s isn't decent what is...)

edit: i just tested satriani's 28.06.13 build and got 1860frames.

Is that running the benchmark in video mode or photo mode?  Try both and see if there is a difference.  I think you can run RAW video in photo mode with live view turned on.

EDIT: From the old 650D thread...
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3697.msg43310#msg43310

"Raw video Works only in Video Mode" this is what ML info says. Yes i got those numbers in VideoMode.

this is my benchmark result:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=do709f&s=5

this is the maximum quality of raw video i can have.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2jcwzsp&s=5

this is "1" step better quality of raw video. as you can see it is in yellow text. which means it skips frames after some time.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2qc194x&s=5

i have got a 45mb/s sd and its maximum writing speed is ~33mb/s on my 650d. i've read it somewhere here, with a 90mb/s card you are going to have that maximum writing speed 0f ~40mb/s (or whatever it is) because of the stability. i hope i am clear enough.

it is like; a 45mb/s card's maximum writing speed is 45mb/s. it does not mean it will write data continuesly on 45mb/s. it may drop to 13-15mb/s. that is why i'm not getting 40mb/s (writing limit) on my camera.

midnite, thanks for your answer, but i was actually asking for the HDR picture preview (sorry, i didn't explain myself clearly!  )

you explained yourself very clear. i'm the one who couldnt understand you. because i dont know what "HDR preview" is. i am sorry

is the HDR preview working (or enabled) on the 650D? maybe i'm not doing it right... i tried the SET+wheel shortcut in play mode but it didn't seem to work at all

HDR video works.

if you see your lcd flashing while you're recording, than you are on the right way. if not, you do something wrong.

use the zoom key on your camera to zoom to 5X. Only that. Believe it or not.

it zooms in but when i hit the record button it zoom outs. havent tried for raw video. but it should work for normal canon video mode too right?

i edited luminance and color setting to the value of "100" maybe thats why they're gone. but like i said; i can still see them on my original copy. they are not noticable unless you look really careful though

here some footage from my 650d.

the interesting thing is; i can see pink dots on my original copy (they are too small but still visible), but it seems they are gone on youtube. can any of you see pink dots? its youtube's crappy comppresing thing i guess.

edit: the only thing i edit the luminance and color settings to 100 in ACR (adobe camera raw plugin on photoshop cs5)

you can go on forever with a proper UHS-I card and 24p

What do you mean with "proper"? like 90mb/s writing speed? that would be awesome!!!1!

Using a1ex's method with an exfat formatted sony 45mb/s sd card, i managed to record 20 seconds of 720p video with 650d.

Rawtherapiee program did a good job, but some pink dots are still visible. They are annoying as hell.


after using Rawtherapiee

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2mi1grp.jpg

650d can record 1280x640 without any problem. (sony sdhc write speed 45mb/s)