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Also, if you can, get a USB 3.0 card reader.
It seems that USB 2.0 card readers are damaging 1000x CF cards. I had a damaged Transcend that i sent to RMA, but I'm not sure if its card reader related.

Um . . . probably not. It was probably the USB reader. Been using mine for more than a year now.

Andy, thak you so much for the update to tragic lanter. And thank you to all the ML dev team. Great, Great
Work!

Got a reply from Mosaic Engineering here at 1:40 PM on 12-16-2013...

"We're writing to you today because you had previously emailed to us inquiring about a Video Aliasing Filter for the Canon 50D.  By the way, we apologize for our delay in responding if we've not replied to you previously.

Nevertheless, we'd like to let you know that we do now have the VAF-50D available, for use with Magic Lantern RAW video recording!

The VAF-50D is available now, in our online store: http://store.mosaicengineering.com

A brief with-and-without demo video of this filter - http://vimeo.com/74470756 - has been produced by Mr. Levi Davis.  We expect to have additional video example material available before long, and will post that as soon as possible also.

Our product page for this new filter is here - http://mosaicengineering.com/products/vaf/50d.html; we'll be adding more information and details shortly.

Sorry again for our delay in responding; anyway we hope this information can help you at this time!

Thank you again for your interest in our filters,"

Looks like we are about ready!!! Been having a lot of success with the prototype filter myself. I'm positive there is about the same if not less moire than the BM Pocket Cinema Camera... Picked up one about two weeks back after a post demonstrating the incredible dynamic range...! Seriously though, the 50D has an incredible sensor for resolving color detail. The images from raw video, specifically using the Mosaic VAF are completely usable for television productions & independent film productions... Yes, the 3x zoom is soft with the filter in place, but I still shoot 3x with the filter in place...Not that it's a unique look... It's a usable look that isn't degraded by much... Still, after about three months of testing, I think it is a very powerful addition to the camera, especially if you consider the market's inability to resolve detail. Effectively, the 50D is right there with the pocket and the pocket is shooting native full HD.

Awsomew news Levi!!

There's an mlv converter for Mac OSX. See jphansen's post below. I have not tried it yet, so don't know if it works . . .

This is for 10.8.3 Mountain Lion users.. I guess you can install the Lion version the same way...  gcc-mlion.tar.gz - Mountain Lion. gcc-lion.tar.gz - Lion version

Found a solution to get the mac versions to work (the absolutely non geeky/I dont know Unix way)... The problem is the "libstdc++.6.dylib". And WTF is that anyway.. My answer I DOOONT know.. Anyway.. I found the missing libraries to install.. Here is what you need to do:

Go to http://hpc.sourceforge.net and download this file http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/hpc/gcc-mlion.tar.gz?download.

Go to Terminal and cd to the download folder

Code Select Expand

cd /Users/UserName/Downloads/ Then gunzip gcc-lion.tar.gz (if your browser didn't do so already) and then

Code Select Expand

sudo tar -xvf gcc-mlion.tar -C /

I used 7zX because I dont know how to gunzip..

Restart your mac and BOOOOM!!! MLVConverter.app works for me...

Hope this helps some..

Andy:
I am with you on that, but wouldn't non crop mode suit anamorphic shooting just as well  because of the 4:3 sensor?(assuming you are shooting x2). Although On non crop  you are not starting out at 1920x1080.

What Andy is saying is, he's not willing to compromise quality. When you shoot in crop mode, the camera is reading out the entire feed - no line skipping- therefore you get much better quality and no moire and aliasing. Of course, the drawback is that framing is a bit more difficult and you must shoot with the widest angled lens you can get, something like a 10 or 20mm lens in order to have more of a "normal" lens type of frame.

I do agree with Andy when it comes to the quality benefits of shooting in crop mode. But having options is always good as well. Especially in situation where you have to use a zoom lens to get wide or close-up shots quickly and not have to worry too much about aliasing and moire.

I'd rather invest the money towards an anamorphic 2x and shoot in crop. The VAF degrades the image to much for me.

Is there a link to the test shots? I'd like to see them . . .

$200 would be awesome, but they do have to make a return on investment. I'd guess that they could come down a bit if enough people ask for them.

BTW, have shots been taken with the final model of the VAF? I know there was an ML user testing a pre-production model . . .

It's difficult for me at that price because I think sell my 50D with lens for $500 and get a BMPCC for $500 more instead of $800 invested in 50D with VAF.  These filters need to be at $200 for them to hit any sort of volume IMHO, at least for the APS-C sized cameras.  Might want to check with David if he can do them at that price if he gets X amount of commits.

$200 would be awesome, but they do have to make a return on investment. I'd guess that they could come down a bit if enough people ask for them.

Good news for those who are waiting the 50D VAF from Mosaic Engineering. They answered my email, and I ordered a final version ! They plan to go into production as soon as they can (I assume that the 70D version was their priority). I will do a video review and share before/after DNGs when I get it.

That's good news, I've just emailed them to find out when they are available to buy from the website.

Great News! How much are we talking about?

Update to Creative Cloud 12.1 is out!

To find out more see my post on my blog:
http://theindieshooter.com/2013/09/11/native-cinema-dng-support-for-adobe-premiere-pro-cc-coming-in-october-2013/

It's only got one recordable crop mode. The 5x and 10x are just zoom magnification for focussing.

Yes. My bad. Live view zoom modes are 5x and 10x.

So is this right, Andy?  10mm x 1.6 native crop = 16mm x 2.475 image crop is 39.60, or 40mm effective focal length?  That is what it looks like to me, on both the 50D and EOS-M.

My 200mm zoom in crop mode:

200mm x 1.6 = 320mm x 2.475 = 798mm!!!

and i have 1 more question is there only 5x crop on 50d? cuz i have heared of 1920x1080 in 3x crop

50D only has 5x and 10x crop modes . . .

Edit:  Actually, 5x only.

I don't see what the big deal is with the Aliasing and Moire on the 50D, when you create great content the viewers won't even have time to pin point Aliasing and Moire, nor do they care about it.  I've seen big time Aliasing in Hollywood movies, in major TV shows do most viewers care "No" they are more interested in the storyline.  I am satisfied and thankful for even shooting "Raw" on a camera that didn't even shoot video a big WOW for that, and the images are comparable to camera's 20 - 50 times it's cost    just saying.

It could get pretty bad in certain scenes . . .

Not to question you, but do you know that as a fact?

Yes. in fact the 5DMIII has a built in filter which BTW, you can remove if you're brave enough . . . Check out James Miller's post on Vimeo:

Would be a game changer is this is true.  I'm not saying it might not be.  If there's anywhere I'd LOVE to be wrong   The biggest handicap these cameras have, in my view, is the line skipping solution to dealing with what is essentially a high resolution readout that must be downsized to 1920x1080, say.  I believe the 5D3 uses new chips that sample by pixel, not line, which is why there is little moire in those cameras.  If the devs could do the same with the 50d and other cameras THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING!  My 2 cents is the sensors have not been improving much in the past few years, but Canon has been beefing up the signal processing chips.  I'm as much in the dark as you

I give the Devs another year before they trip on their own words again about video modes!   

I think whats lacking on 50D is video modes in general. There is only one and its a way earlier implementation. If canon updated to a more modern code base  then we'd have 60fps. Hardware seems capable but software is not there.

ML is like a program running at start, similar to grub, etc that runs the canon UI and a concurrent ML UI.

That's what I'm saying. And I think we should use the right terms  - ML is "software add-on" not "Firmware".

Yes and no.  I didn't say ML is changing the firmware.  I fully recognize that it uses the "firmware update" hook to load additional firmware into the camera, though calling it firmware, may be a misnomer.

Are you thinking about what I'm saying?  Forget the card writer for a second.  If you could attach any IO device to the chip that reads data from the sensor what is the maximum frames per second you think it can output, and at what resolution?

If you think it can do 60 frames per second, where is the evidence?  I'm not trying to be obnoxious.   From my readings of other technical people the devs are already capturing the maximum amount.  When they have gotten performance improvements it has been by reducing the load their code puts on the cameras processing.

Well I have followed the development from the beginning. From what I understand the sensor is capable - I could be wrong - but in order to do this, there has to be code in canon's firmware that enables 720p mode then ML devs enable it with ML code. Without the code you can't do it because there is not enough knowledge about the internal workings of the camera. Just to accentuate my point, remember when devs swore to their graves that RAW wold never happen for the 50D?

For what I can see the 50D and the 5DMII were clones except for the sensor size and audio capabilities. Devs could probably clear this up if I'm wrong but I believe that 720p mode is a function of software not hardware.

That's like saying the only wall preventing one's Dodge Neon from going 200mph is the clutch-box  

Every camera's sensor and the chip that reads data from it, has a bandwidth (horsepower) limitation.  Canon isn't purposely trying to limit.  They made the best compromise for fuel consumption (battery) and heat (cooling).   The jello effect, as far as I know, is just how close they cut the corner on what they can do.  As it is, they're not able to dump a whole image in 24 fps, which is why you get the jello effect (the top part of the frame lagging the bottom part).

It is a firmware hack that allows ML to get all the horsepower from the sensor, which was possible NOT because the cameras IO became faster, but because CARDs got faster and the card adapter was able to handle it.  I don't see a similar bottleneck between the camera's sensor AND the card writing . That's internal.  In other words they'd have to go swap out electronics in the camera to boost FPS speed.  The devs would know more than me.  But that's my understanding.

Actually, ML IS NOT a firmware hack. A firmware hack involves modifying the firmware itself - which ML does not. The other point is that the firmware, if I'm not mistaken, is what controls what mode (720/1080) the camera works in. Therefore, the wall would be the firmware, not the hardware. The speed is there, even if you'd be capturing only 30-60 seconds of 60fps video.

If what you say is right then will get 60fps when 2000x cards come out.

Edit: Actually current cards are capable enough as proven by the 5DMIII . . . .

Because there is no 720p mode on the 50D.

Yes. But theoretically, the CF controller is capable of 60fps - given a fast enough card. If so, then the only wall is the firmware. Right?

Love the new build. Very clean and professional. I like how it says how many seconds I've recorded. Nice.

Only issue I've seen, and maybe it's been addressed in the forum someplace else, but when I go to 5x mode, the preview starts glitching. Anyone else have this issue and is there a solution?

Thanks in advanced.

Took my 50D up to Crater Lake a few months ago with some really old dirty lenses.

Nice video.

Are you talking about the Magic Lantern or the Tragic Lantern build?

Thank you so much. I've studied the topic a little more and found out that overheating is really not the problem. The main problem here isn't even the HDD speed because I really can use the simplest MacBook Pro with a Thunderbolt connection and a SATA III HDD (I think no need in SSD because mechanical SATA III HDD can write at 150 MB/s) plugged to it. The main problem here is to find the fastest card reader that can go the full bandwidth of the 1000x CF card at reading. Because 10 (or so) CF cards costs a fortune.

Oh, and that's when using ONE camera and ONE set of two cards. Professional shooting of the thing such as a concert requires using at least two cameras. I can plug another HDD in the bay to the same Thunderbolt port, but what am I to plug a card reader to, especially when it's USB 3.0 one?

So, a lot of problems...

Yes. You are right about the sped of the CF reader's throughput - which I thought about but neglected to mention. In the end, it's the sum of the parts that make the difference - a fast port, an adequate Hard drive and a fast CF reader.

I'd still recommend an SSD over a mechanical drive for data protection and for editing projects - unless money is an issue.

Hello, I'm a newbie here, from Russia. 

That's the great thing that you, ML, do. One can get a cinematographic camera for a fraction of a cost, not needing to get an expensive Kodak film for $100/can, to develop and scan/telecine it. All you need to start shooting in almost cinema quality is to install the ML firmware, get the quickest SD or CF card you can, and here is it. Our Russian film cameramen don't agree with me, though.

I've got a few questions and thoughts on shooting raw, the main of those is this one:

If you can get a 50D with ML, two 64 GB 1000x CF cards, a card-reader, and an external HDD connected to the notebook, then you can shoot in raw for how long you want to, for the 2 hours or so. A concert, for instance. All you have to do is to swap CF cards, copying raw files from one card to the external HDD as the second card is working in the camera. Am I right? Will the 50D overheat in a few minutes of almost continuous work?

Not quite. But possible.

Remember, it might take longer to download 64GB of RAW files, than it does to record the same amount to the other card. Heat is not really an issue when recording at continuous resolutions. If you fill up a 64GB card, in order to download faster than you can write 64GB worth of video to the other card then you have to have very, very fast hardware. Something like a Macbook Pro with a thunderbolt connection and a fast-writiing external (SSD based) hard drive with a thunderbolt port as well for maximum throughput.

are there any disadvantages in that? i mean does it skip frames in 30p to get 24 or is it true 24p?

It is recording 24 frames in 1 second. Every second of every minute.

It is not skipping frames in 1 second then skipping frames again 4 seconds later. Capish?

I format in-camera but also check occasionally that my cards are aligned using an app called diskat-gui (found online). Not sure what cluster size the camera formats to but I don't have any problems with write speeds.

Are we talking about defragmenting the card? Or is this something different?