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I'm not really a jerk. I just play one on TV. My T4i/650d is without my beloved Magic Lantern until it comes out of pre-alpha hiding. Prior to my T4i I used a T2i with Magic Lantern. I very much miss Magic Lantern and purchased my T4i hoping and praying that one day it too would be graced with the powers of this software, hackware, or whatever you guys want to call it.

To clear up my rantings from before I love canon cameras and I love them even more with Magic Lantern. I will defend them both and sometimes it makes me sound like a jerk. I'm sorry for that.

Same here.

I apologize I was having one of those days where I couldn't retract my fangs and claws. 
I make a big deal about nicely helping new posters stay on the right track and then I fell right into the trap of one of those posters that jump in, in the middle of a thread spew their nonsense and then go back into hiding.   
Sorry again

Although this is the wrong forum for this topic, clearly some think that "hacking" which ML is NOT doing, is the same thing as developing software code, which ML IS doing.

Canon turns on and off features based on it's ability to get the product to market within the parameters with the research and development available for the given hardware they put into their camera's.

As hardware quality and performance increase so to does the price. It's not a simple turn on or off a feature to make the price higher.

Some of the features that ML provides Canon Camera division is not permitted to provide because no compete laws with Video production.

As for making a computer more productive with software vs buying a faster computer? apples and oranges. no one said ML makes the cameras faster, just more productive.

Lets start fresh.   What version of ML are you using in your T4i/650d or are you using another model camera?  Maybe that's why we have different opinions.  Also quite a few of features ML can do haven't been activated yet and maybe that's why are opinions differ.

I am playing nice.
Sometimes modern society "tarnishes" the term "hacking" by trying to associate this term with terrorism, or illegal acts as defined in  Merriam Websters dictionary: 4:b
    intransitive verb
4.a : to write computer programs for enjoyment
   b : to gain access to a computer illegally
   When I see hacking i see the a form. and also to make something perform better. For instance if I needed a chisel for a job yet only had a screw driver and a grinding stone, I would be able to hack that screwdriver to function more like a chisel. 2. A car that gets 22 MPG if there can be a device that connects to a car that can allow it to get better gas milage or if you can modify the computer in the Car to get better gas mileage -- this is called hacking. And because I own the vehicle there should be nothing wrong with this activity.
    Now the governments and corporations would have you think there is something wrong with "hacking" by saying "All Hacking is Terrorism". this is the Lie from the pit of Hell.  So fear not the terms used to apply a computer generated program for our enjoyment as hacking to gain access to a computer illegally. I see this as modifying a product to make better use of it.

   now that we are on the same page, if I use the term Hacking, I am not trying to use the "ohhh thats bad term". as this is clearly what hacking is not. not to me.

Sorry buckbullstallion  My thoughts were being pointed toward Chuck not you. 

Read the forum rules Chuck.  WE PLAY NICE HERE.

Although this is the wrong forum for this topic, clearly some think that "hacking" which ML is NOT doing, is the same thing as developing software code, which ML IS doing.

Canon turns on and off features based on it's ability to get the product to market within the parameters with the research and development available for the given hardware they put into their camera's.

As hardware quality and performance increase so to does the price. It's not a simple turn on or off a feature to make the price higher.

Some of the features that ML provides Canon Camera division is not permitted to provide because no compete laws with Video production.

As for making a computer more productive with software vs buying a faster computer? apples and oranges. no one said ML makes the cameras faster, just more productive.

Ok maybe hacking isn't the right word.   
But again I was giving an opinion,  I wasn't being rude or a jerk.  I may not be as smart as you and/or apparently not as informed as you.  But up until you I never ran into anyone here like you.  People help each other and give opinions, share ideas.

Start over read the rules, introduce your self in the right forum. 

What this isn't the place for is the way you are acting.

1% of 22.6 billion is how much? I'll take it!

Chuck I think you need to chill out! 

r&d costs money as does testing and marketing. ml is saving them tons. don't be fooled by the corporate line that they don't want them to make this product or future products. it benefits canon to have these guys working their tails off. it keeps canon at the fore of the consumer digital film industry.

it's no different than making an app for a computer that makes it more productive

     Definitely not the same thing.  Making an app to make your computer more productive doesn't make your computer ccapable of doing things that you would normally have to upgrade your computer to more expensive model to use .  ML makes your for example 650/d do things that a much more expensive Canon can do.  A $300 laptop can't be made to preform like a $1200 laptop does just with an App.   There are no secret switches to turn on that will do that like a Canon.       

Canon doesn't design or market their cameras as easily hack "sorry App upgradable" so people will buy them. Yes we all like the fact Canons can be hacked but don't think they do that to attracted more customers.  They save money by basically using similar (not necessarily identical) software and hardware in there models.  They just turn on more futures the more expensive camera you purchase.

As far as research and development goes.  Canon knows what their cameras can do but they turn off those features so you buy a more expensive camera to use them.   

Yes the developers create a large amount of their own features for us and make it so we can use what we are locked out of.  I love using and testing ML.  But I can't say it enough Canon did not design their cameras so people can do that.  If I were to bet, less than 1% of canons are purchased because they are ML hackable.  Most likely that same 1% goes for ML users. 

Canon should pay these guys. Magic Lantern generates as much interest in canon products as canon's own marketing, maybe more.

If Canon paid them it would be to not write ML.  They want you to pay more for those options in more expensive cameras.

In my opinion the development threads should be open for posting only for the developers and the testers. The others/curious people should open their own threads and not stress the team. My two cents.

At first I agreed completely with your thoughts.  After some thought myself where would the testers come from.  Non developers or testers sometimes reading our posts can ask a good question or have an interesting idea because they are just following. 
I was guilty of those post in the beginning.  I think everyone is starting to help the developers by assisting people under stand the process. 

Just my thought's. 

Hi Dunc101,

       Did you ever find an answer? 

Hi Baga,

as you can see, im within this thread from the beginning, and be sure i read the whole thread "a thousand times" in hope of have overseen the post, where some binaries are hidden

Sure im also anoyed of the people asking for a release... that was also not the target of my question
Just saw that some guys got it compiled by themself and hoped that they could drop a bin- anywhere, that does not collide with the patience for a final stable version...

Thanks a lot,
TK

That's even worse, you definitely don't want to put those in your camera.  You really need a good understanding of not only how ML works, how it's programmed and how to write program your self.   Taking a pre-alpha that is not completely functioning and potentially damaging and then putting an untested or approved bin on top of it, not a good combination.  I have both pre-alphas and have had my camera locked up for 3 days with the 1st one.   Everything is working good for me including ML now.   
Believe me I'm as anxious as you and have wanted to test those bins but not on this pre-alpha.  I would bet that those new bins aren't in the nightly download section because no one wants to risk bricking some one else's camera.
Really the next release is real close.

I would also like to try this but I don't want to screw my camera up. Should I just wait for the public alpha?

Yes wait, it will be out soon.  There are somethings working fine in this pre-alpha others aren't there at all and even more that only work partially and shouldn't be used because they can damage your camera.  The next version will be out soon.

Hey @All,
looks were coming forward step by step... i'm sure there lot of people out there cant await to try it out. so maybe someone could upload compiled binfiles... sure its alpha, sure its not stable, but for compilation-noobs it would be a realy big help, to be also able, to test it out

Thanks a lot for your hard work,
regards, TK

The real Alpha will be out shortly I'm sure, just sit tight.  The last pre-alpha was by invite only and that testing is pretty much done.  When they shortly they mean it.    If you've read this whole thread you know the last thing you want to do is keep asking.

I have a Sandisk Eye-Fi without geocaching 8GB class 6 IIRC, to have it working with ML need to use EOSBoot or MacBoot since the firmware upgrade method don't works.
I bought it in a place where they accept returns in 5 day, to return it if it was not working with ML, maybe you can use the same approach.
For geocaching I use a gps logger on my android phone and when importing pics they get geotagged.

I didn't bought the 16GB because I prefer more small cards than only one big, to reduce the risk of loss of data.

And your guess is right, no grandchildren here around

If eye-fi and ML work on you camera, with the iphone you can find apps for geocaching and importing your camera pics, and share them from there. I think the return option is the best way to test it before keeping the card.

Thanks for all that info.  They're all good tips.  The return policy is a biggie.   I'll be buying on line so I'll have make sure to check stores reviews on how well they live up to their return policies. 

If it's alright with Nanomad, I'd be happy to upload/share my own compiled autoexec.bin and post a guide on how to install it. Although I'm not sure how perfect my compilation and install method was. (Are the help docs meant to be missing?)

They weren't on either version I tested.  It's probably one of the last things they do.  They need all the data they collected from testers ,everything working and including new nightly builds others have compiled before they can write help files.

That's my guess anyway. 

I use the eyefi to tether wireless when shooting indoor. Sometime tried outside and worked but I'm not interested in uploading pic to web right away.

Did you have any trouble setting up and using the card?  Which card were you using?  I'd like to find a 32g with eye-fi and geocaching  class 10.  I guess a 16g would do.  I know it's just me.  I love gadgets and pushing things beyond their limits.

there is a thread with eyefi testing on 600D here, but seems not many use this setup or use it with ml. i was going to buy a card but now 6D has built in wifi.

I know it was over a month ago but what was the like to the 600d eyefi test?

Not on this forum, no. Would be nice to know if he had time to test.

I know he was using the original pre-alpha and was enjoying it.  I don't think he tested the last update even though it was offered to him to test. 

The public Alpha will be out real soon.  Those of us that tested the latest version have given nanomad our results.  He is working on the alpha and it will be out real soon.  Remember this is something he does in his spare time.  He has a full time job and personal life.  He hasn't let us down yet and if he said real soon, it will be.  I figure sometime this weekend if it's not then next week.  He doesn't want to brick any camera's on the first public release.  The above goes for all the developers and testers. 
When it's ready we will all know.

Anyone heard from ProfessorX?  I know he was loving the pre-alfa.

Is this a touch menu or something? Lots of buttons

Yes it's both.

I have a question.  I like using the junkie screen menu but does it have everything that the default menu has?

I like using the Intervalometer.  "Shoot like crazy"

[Thanks for the feedback everyone, I'll try to package the Alpha release by the end of the week]

No crop zoom yet, and other raw sizes are kinda dangerous to test without a proper recovery procedure

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Thanks for the feedback everyone, I'll try to package the Alpha release by the end of the week

Hi nanomad, I was wondering if you got my message and photo's yesterday?  I can't tell if it went through.