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Yea,

Got 720P

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So my system seems to be working.   Not so many new here, but at this time a complete summary of how to do all of this,  cradle to grave,  so to speak by you experts would be huge.  I am speaking raw of course.

Dave

Ps thanks from what I have seen for being a nice forum.  Believe my others are not and precludes learning.

Update argh my = me

Yea,

Got 720P

d

argh

got a 64 gig 45 mb/s and EOS card does not seem to work on it

dave

update never mind got it

30dbs and Walter,

Thank you for your responses.  I will play more tonite.  But I believe I have the most recent update  but will check.

yea I don't like fishy .

dave

I can get 1280*720 out of my Sandisk UHS1 card, but only at 24fps, thats a big factor, if you are shooting even at 25fps you'll get dropped frames or recording will stop.

Would it be possible for you (or anyone)  to outline your settings for doing this.  As you might see above 1280x720 does not appear for me.  So maybe I have some setting incorrect.

I see from many searches that people like your self have gotten 1280x720.

I assume for starters that the 24fps is set in the fps override.

thanks in advance & sorry to be a pest.

dave

I found the comment below in another forum.  It implies only 560.  So are you guys really getting 1080 x 720?

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RAW on 650D / 700D?
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2013, 04:16:54 PM »
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1280x560 is maximum i could get on my 650D with UHS-I card. It seems that controller is limited to 30-40mb/s which is poor
but 1280x560 looks great, even upscaled !

I don't know what's the cause.
Maybe it worth trying: Rename MAGIC.CFG on your card, then turn camera off and on.
What are the results?

Ciao, Walter

Walter,

I will try but at my office not with out the cam .  What do a I name it as anything?

dave

Is the Canon resolution set to 1080p?

Spider,

Yes it is.

dave

all, little help here (baseball talk

dave

While hopefully someone can help with the aspect ratio, I did process this this way. raw2dng, into PS6, dots, did stuff, used QT to reassemble, no dots .

dave

right now I can shoot at 640 because of my card.  With the aspect ratio set to 16:9 I should have 640/360.  But what I get is 640/258.

This is the same as the 1280 instead of 1280/720 I get 514

1280/514 = 2.49
640/258  = 2.48

so my processed images (for the 640 right now) are elongated.

I would appreciate any ideas on this to help.

Thanks

dave

all, little help here (baseball talk

dave

Walter,

mine says 1280 x 514; seems like none of them have the right ratio setting.  < -- update

dave

right now I can shoot at 640 because of my card.  With the aspect ratio set to 16:9 I should have 640/360.  But what I get is 640/258.

This is the same as the 1280 instead of 1280/720 I get 514

1280/514 = 2.49
640/258  = 2.48

so my processed images (for the 640 right now) are elongated.

I would appreciate any ideas on this to help.

Thanks

dave

Resolution: 1280
Aspect ratio: 16:9
-> (1280/16) * 9 = 720

Vertical pixel number is determined via Aspect Ratio and horizontal pixel number.

Ciao
Walter

Walter,

mine says 1280 x 514; seems like none of them have the right ratio setting.  < -- update

dave

It doesn't require After Effects to do, just a NLE (Premiere, Final Cut, Avid, Vegas, etc) that you can expand/shrink your footage with. I just find it easier to get most stuff done in AE.

Thanks!

DK and Spider or anyone <-- update

A silly question.  How do you set the resolution to 720p.  That is not a choice in the raw resolution setting.  What am I missing?

dave

Really? Fantastic, I have a Sandisk Extreme 45 mb/s card!



What I mean david is this: Shooting a 1920x1080p clip with the Canon firmware, then shooting with ML Raw at 720p and in post (After Effects/Premiere) expanding the 720p RAW footage to 1080, or at the very least, slightly larger than 1280x720.

The reasoning is this: there have been many claims from some guys on Youtube shooting with the 650D who are shooting RAW at 720 or less than 720, blowing their footage up in post to 1080, and claiming that because the RAW footage contains so much more data, that even blown up it looks better than the Canon firmware 1080p.

I'm not completely convinced of this until I try it with my own workflow and compare.

I am, of course, intrigued by the possibility! I'm a video student with a limited budget, and at this time can't afford to either upgrade to the Panasonic GH3 or the Canon 5D Mark III (two cameras I really want to get my hands on!)

So I'm looking for any way to increase the sharpness and professionalism of the footage coming out of the 650D.

will interesting to see what you find.  Don'e have After Effects/Premiere myself to play with.

Spider, are you saying you're getting 1280x720 on a 45 mb/s card with ML? If so, that is fantastic news! I'm hoping soon during my vacation that I can install Magic Lantern on the T4i/fiddle with it, and do a video test I've been requesting from other people (hahaha).

If the t4i/650D can record continuously at 1280x720, as opposed to 1472x616, that would help greatly in my quest.

I'm hoping to film a comparison between:

The Canon H.264 firmware on the 650D at 1080p
ML at the highest resolution that it can support continuously.


And in this test, do a couple different comparisons:

The 1080p Canon footage vs the ML footage at 720p

The 1080p Canon footage vs expanded ML footage to close to 1080p dimensions.

And that way determine whether the RAW video on the 650D is worth the additional time spent on the workflow.

Benlen,

Great plan!  I am going to play this weekend.  Just ordered the 45 mb/s card Sanddisk Extreme. 

What do you mean expanded ML footage to close to 1080p?  In addition to the extra workflow there is the data issue.  Even short clips take a lot of space to process.  So I would assume filming long clips say minutes would be daunting.  But will find out

I am going to use Quicktime Pro to recompile and play with PS6 and LR5 for post processing.  Hopefully the new RAW2DNG will be available soon
d

720p24 continuously.

Perfect thanks a lot guess the 90 and 95 is over kill right ?

Sandisk extreme 45mb/s

If I could be a bit nosey, what resolution do you use and how long a clip can you get.  I want to order a new card to day to get it tomorrow and not sure if I should do this or the over kill 90 mb/s.

Thanks in advance,

dave

update I see that I can also get a 60 mb/s also

Actually, papkee said that a 45 mb/s card SHOULD be able to record video at 1472x616, which is pretty good all things considered.

From my limited understanding, and I very well could be wrong, I thought that using a 90 mb/s card on the 650D is overkill because the 650D's SD slot can only go so far.

Again, and this is what I've gathered, and I could be wrong again, but it seems like the 650D will most likely never be able to record full 1080p with RAW.

thanks so my 30ish card probably needs to be replaced.  I did read somewhere the make write speed for the t4i but can not remember where I say this.

update sorry make = maximum

On the 700D and 650D you get pink dots don't you? That's because of the default raw stream (or raw type) from the camera. If you change it to one that doesn't contain any anomalies; for some reason draw (used by software such as RAWTherapee) can't process the dng's correctly causing a green tinge/mesh over the image. To fix this I've created a new RAW2DNG tool using Qt so its multi-platform. Here are some of the features.

- Multi-Threading (Makes use of all your CPU cores)
- Full DNG support (Using Adobes own DNG SDK, this fixes a lot of things like thumbnails and image anomalies)
- Compression (Can use Lossless JPEG for DNG's)
- Save directly to TIF

Well this is cool.  How do can we try this?  Cost?

Dave

Yes, this will properly process the DNG's so you don't get that green pattern you see when using RAW_TYPE 14.

Which means there's no need to remove any pink dots since there wont be any and no quality will be lost.

Ok I will admit my lack of knowledge, but can you explain what this.  Sorry to be a pest. Just trying to learm
Dave

Update.  Do you mean qt or something else?

Te molesto , me podes decir si con la ultima versión ML_N_20.08.2013 se te fueron los puntos rosa?. En mi caso solo una anduvo bien y fue una mescla de ellas. Solo para saber si no estoy loco. En cuanto al lo amarrilo o verde es tal cual te dijo Stevenbaril. Saludos.

so I can not play yet as my card might not allow the videos.  Need a faster card, but back at you when I have one .

dave

He's referring to the text at the bottom of the screen.

Ok thanks will look

Una de 8G 90mbs y otra de 16G 40mbs , al parecer esta limitado por la cámara la velocidad de escritura a 45mbs asi que por mas tarjeta que le pongas con mas velocidad, de eso no pasa. Igual graba muy lindo y los colores me parecen fantásticos teniendo en cuenta que no es una cámara buenísima para grabar en raw ..todo lo maneja la plata.

hmm this is a bummer

En mi caso lo mejor que logre a 24fps 1600x900 graba bien continuo y 1728x736 graba mejor pero poco tiempo. Proba a ver si logras algo mejor. Saludos

PD: no uso mas el traductor ..escribe cualquier cosa jajaja.

Thanks and no problem.  What card do you use.?