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#1
@reddeercity

So this is 4K (or 3.6, close enough). You're telling me that with a top level CF card you can record even 1 second of this? In my experience using decent cards you can only do around 1080p continuous shooting.

I don't consider 3 seconds of 4K to be useful from a professionals standpoint. I would also like to state that I'm not trying to be combative here, I'm a noob when it comes to ML however I like to be realistic.
#2
The 5DII cannot record 4K even with ML. I replied to your other topic as well letting you know you need to do a little more digging in the forum as these are questions that are answered almost daily.

The clips you are seeing that say "5DII 4K" are 2K (or close to it) clips that are upscaled to 4K. When you record RAW you are recording a ton of information, massive files. With all this information you can easily stretch your video to a 4K resolution without losing much (if any) details or image quality. I don't recommend even bothering with ML on your mk2 if all you want is 4K, however if you can settle for amazing image quality which can then be colour graded and manipulated then ML is a good solution.

Everyone always recommends buying the 5Dmk3 if you have the money, as that is the single greatest ML camera made.
#3
Raw Video / Re: 5D Mark II wont go past 7 seconds
April 20, 2018, 05:30:50 PM
Quote from: snowwolfentertainment on March 30, 2018, 12:07:14 AM
My canon 5d mark ii with a lexar pro x1066 64gb card only records 7 seconds of raw video. I cant seem to figure out why its not wanting to record longer.

I can almost guarantee it's because you are trying to record massive resolution RAW. Go into settings and change resolution to 1600x--- or whatever the resolution is that gives you the green icon (instead of yellow or red). It will then say continuous or something. Sorry I'm at work and don't have time to go into more detail.

One thing I will mention as you are new to ML, you need to dig in the forums. I spent hours upon hours, days upon days reading topics in the forum. People in this community usually won't answer every single question because there are so many every day. I'm still a noob at ML however I know the basics at this point and if you want you can PM me I can help further, but I can't promise anything as I'm very busy.
#4
Quote from: masc on April 10, 2018, 04:41:47 PM
@zims: Yes, all these apps interpret RAW data. Each app does it a little different, but they do. And MLV App applies AlexaLog and all other sliders into the exported file: For all codecs, except CDNG and MLV, because they are RAW! Chose another codec and all settings are visible in the exported files.

Okay thanks so much for your help. I'm getting the understanding that no matter how the codec is interpreted, all the rich information is still intact if you are working with a RAW format. Even if it looks like a bunch of things are applied to the footage from step 1 it doesn't matter because you can just slide it up and down for exposure and other things as the information will still be there.
#5
Quote from: masc on April 10, 2018, 04:30:29 PM
@zims: MLV and CDNG is more or less the same - it is RAW. The only adjustments exported into CDNG over MLV is RAW-Correction. All other adjustments is for all the other export codecs - such as ProRes - but not for CDNG. Note: if you have ML on your EOS or buy a BlackMagic Camera doesn't change anything here. You'll have the same problem: it always depends on how your grading tool interprets RAW. Therefor you can use Davinci, ACR, ... or MLV App.

@masc -> Is there a way I can get the MLV App to convert to CDNG while interpreting without sweetening? You say my software is going to interpret all of these files the same, Premiere, Davinci etc but you mention MLV App, how is this going to interpret my footage? When I try to make the adjustments in MLV App it doesn't apply the Alexa Log or whatever log I try and slap on there. Are you saying the sliders will actually bake into the file though? I haven't tried that yet.
#6
Quote from: Kharak on April 10, 2018, 12:26:06 AM
@zims

As masc says, and I said in my first reply. CinemaDNG is a RAW format, you can not bake in a look or a Log Gamma. What you can do, is interpret the RAW data to Log-C. But I highly doubt Premiere can do that. I stopped using Premiere when they released 2015 version, so I am not familiar with what it offers today, but from every post about RAW and Premiere, it seems like the worst NLE at handling RAW files, Colour and in my experience, sound.

If you really need to work in Premiere, then you have to import the DNG's in After Effects and either buy Cinelog-C and follows its route of operation, or download Danne's Log-C DCP for Adobe Camera RAW(which I believe is only for 5D3). Then Dynamic Link your DNG's to Premiere, which in return then will run like shit in Premiere, which most likely will make you render Proxies of the Log-C footage.
Or perhaps, if possible, import DNGs in Premiere, finish the edit, dynamic link to AE change DCP to Log-C in ACR, and grade it back in Premiere (if that is your thing). I dont remember how the DNG's act when Dynamic Linked from Pr to AE, I think they behaved funky going that route. In my opinion, the entire Dynamic Link thing is not a functioning way with RAW footage, as ACR is CPU based and will completely hog down your edit, unless you are 100% done with the edit and only wants to apply the look/log in AE and dont touch any edit again in Pr, just render to final product, then yes... maybe..

In Resolve you can "interpret" the RAW data and set to your preferred Log Gamma and target Colour space. I don't think Premiere even knows the word 'Colour Space'.

Thanks a ton for the reply. Essentially my thought process is this: "Why go through all the trouble of capturing MLV if when I take it into my color grade it still has contrast and 'sweeteners' ". I cannot run Davinci on my current hardware. I was doing a project for a client on Davinci using 5D2 MLV and it was working great until it just refused to open the program. I researched for several days trying to find a fix or if this was a common issue. As of today, even after re-installing Davinci (after going in and deleting hidden archives and such) I still can't even open the program.

What you're saying about Dynamic Link is right, and that shit takes a ton of time ingesting and then making proxies and baking in that C-Log that you're talking about. That also isn't an option.

So my overall question is this: my MLV raw converted to CDNG is still going to have all the "information" of a raw it will just appear to have been sweetened? In other words, I will be able to adjust exposure and regain information in my shadows and highlights? If not then I see no point in shoot Magic Lantern Raw and might just bite the bullet and buy a Black Magic camera for the native log that it shoots.

Thanks again for your swift replies, guys.
#7
Quote from: Kharak on April 09, 2018, 05:44:23 PM
What format are you exporting to?

Cinemadng is a raw format and will not bake in log gammas or looks

Hah, of course. Yeah I'm exporting to CDNG. I shot ML Raw using my 5D2 and I want to work in Premiere with my CDNG's that look like Alexa Log C. Essentially what do I have to do to get those CDNG's to look like a basic Log?

Thanks a lot for replying! :) @kharak
#8
Super noob here! First of all this app is baked into my work flow at this point and I wanted to say how thankful I am!

In the section to the right side of the app where you can apply different logs (ex: Alexa Log C) it doesn't seem to actually write to the file after export. I import all of my clips into the app, "apply" Alexa Log to them and then hit export, however when I pop them into Premiere CC they look as if they don't have the log applied to them. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks a ton for the help guys :)
#9
Raw Video / Re: Unwanted Crop Not Using Crop 5x Mode
February 14, 2018, 04:10:35 PM
- Camera: 5D2
- Magic Lantern Latest Nightly (not experimental)
- I mean 1280 cropping in mlv_lite which is probably why I'm losing some of my frame?

I hosted a 1 second .MLV file rawsettings.MLV for you to check out.

Do you notice in my raw screen shot how aliased the edges are? Very pixelated. I was under the impression there's a ton more information therefore it will look a lot better than that? I'm a complete noob as you can tell. Essentially I'm trying to get the best out of my 5D2 using a continuous shooting option.

Any help is great help! Thanks so much for replying to me @dfort!
#10
Raw Video / Unwanted Crop Not Using Crop 5x Mode
February 13, 2018, 10:51:36 PM
Hi I'm new to ML obviously.

For some reason when I'm shooting RAW it crops my frame by about a 3rd. I'm using mlv_lite module and 1280 resolution size (only size it says can shoot continuously).  Two screen shots below, bottom one was taken with RAW and you can see a lot of anti aliasing and moire (which I'm desperately trying to figure out a fix for) and one was taken with regular canon video. The canon video looks better than the RAW. I'm pretty confused as to what is happening here.





#11
Hey guys,

So after hours of research and forum digging I have installed ML and done all the necessary installs to get it to a post processing stage. I have a 5D2 with the latest Nightly installed. I'm using a 50mm 1.8 prime (cheap lens).

I'm using the mlv_lite raw module at 1280 resolution.

I recorded a .mlv file and then converted it to .avi using some tools. However I opened it up in mlrawviewer.exe to preview it first, and I noticed before that the program has a possibility of actually writing on that footage so maybe that did something? I also stretched the footage to 2k when I converted it to .avi, but my understanding is these files are large enough to resize.

I'm very new and understand if you guys just tell me to keep lurking and searching archived topics. I've provided some screen grabs below:





Thanks for the help if there is any!