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General Chat / Canon EOS R5C

« on: January 17, 2022, 07:23:14 PM »

Cinema version of the R5, called Canon EOS R5 C/R5C/R5c, is coming at in 40 hours, 19th jan 2022, 12pm London. Canon Europe live here:

Rumored specifications from Canon Rumors

• 45mp full-frame sensor (Same as the EOS R5)
• DIGIC X
• IBIS
• Canon Log 3
• Canon Log 2 is still being discussed
• No Internal NDs
• Unlimited 8K30P recording in Cinema RAW Light. XF-AVC and MP4
• Timecode in/out
• The same multipurpose hot shoe as the EOS R3. Which will work with accessories such as the Tascam XLR module.
• Active cooling
• 3/8″ or 1/4″ mounting point on the EVF for a top handle that won’t interfere with the hot shoe.
• Full-size HDMI Port
• The LCD has been moved further back to accommodate the cooling fan. So this likely means that it won’t recess into the body like the Canon EOS R5.

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Camera-specific Development / Canon EOS R5 / R6

« on: February 15, 2020, 01:53:06 AM »

"Be the filmmaker" they say
https://www.canon-europe.com/cameras/eos-r5/

EOS R5 mirrorless 5D?
https://global.canon/en/news/2020/20200213.html

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: March 28, 2017, 08:15:02 PM »

Crop Factor rumors continue from the favorite rumorsite

CROP FACTOR CHANGE FOR 4K ON CANON EOS 5D MARK IV INCLUDED IN COMING UPDATE & MORE

We have been sent more information about the upcoming C-Log update to the EOS 5D Mark IV, while this comes from a new source, it’s pretty detailed.

Canon EOS 5D Mark IV C-Log Update:

All video output will still be 8-bit.
Sampling for DCI 4K will be increased to a 5632 x 2970 pixel sensor area resulting in a 1.27x Crop factor.
Sampling for UHD will be from a 5472 x 3078 pixel sensor area resulting in a 1.29x Crop factor.

Both modes are accurately down-sampled to their final resolutions.
Existing frame rates will remain the same.
The current 1:1 4K sampling mode will remain an option for situations benefiting from the 1.78x Crop factor.

There will also be new full-sensor 3K modes added including 60fps and HDR 24fps.
Both will use a line-alternating sampling method, so quality will be inferior to the improved 4K format (but better than the existing FullHD 1080p format.)
It is unclear whether the file resolution in the final firmware will be the full 3360 x 1890 format or down-sampled to 3072 x 1728.

FullHD 1080p will also use this 3K full-sensor mode with down-sampling for a noticeable improvement in perceived resolution.
FullHD 1080p will also receive a modest frame rate boost to 72/75fps.

The EOS 5D Mark IV will gain the XF-AFC file format at 120Mbps (4:2:0) and 200Mbps (4:2:2). Both formats should require low enough data rates to accommodate UHS-I U3 type SD Cards.

Reports relating to a possible service job for the 5D Mark IV are the result of the heat sinks on current units not performing well in some environments when used with the newer firmware. This is because of the increased processing load from the enlarged video sampling area. Newer units will ship with an improved heat sink while existing 5D Mark IV units can be retrofitted. Pricing is unconfirmed for that servicing.
The newer firmware will still work in non-serviced cameras, but this may result in premature temperature warnings.

More to come…

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: March 22, 2017, 01:44:32 PM »

"There has been another suggestion that Canon has been actively looking at ways to “improve” the 4K video capture crop on the EOS 5D Mark IV"
That would be nice too.

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Other experimental builds / Re: 12-bit (and 10-bit) RAW video development discussion

« on: November 10, 2016, 01:49:52 PM »

Everything tested with 24fps 10bit on 5d3 113
2880x1226 2.35:1 (2x crop) - continous

Thanks kgv5, did you notice any difference in moire and/or rolling shutter?
Some test videos please!

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Other experimental builds / Re: 12-bit (and 10-bit) RAW video development discussion

« on: November 10, 2016, 01:44:33 PM »

I think the consensus is that 10-bit acquisition helps you for noticeably better end results than just upping resolution.
There's more to maneuver with 10-bit. Every smartphone and cheap action camera has 4K = and that doesn't mean those deliver anything worthwhile.
Also it's been said that difference between 8-bit and 10-bit is "last" to be noticed with your eyes (10-bit 12-bit not so much, tough there's the material to work with).
Real 10-bit and you have think C300 mk II and C500. Arri Alexa didn't have 4K until SXT and even that doesn't come from 4K sensor. SXT been out for month? So 99% of the films in the movie theaters still don't have native 4K. Tough 10-bit doesn't mean everything either.

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: October 30, 2016, 04:31:10 AM »

Shouldn’t there be a 5D mark IV sticky thread in the Camera specific discussion? Starting with detailed specs of the camera? Current post was started before the 5D4 came out with rumored specs. May be a good idea to start a fresh camera specific thread?

Nope.
You and I will be sitting back, hoping and waiting for that thread to opened by people who can confirm that ML will work on 5D Mark IV.
Who knows, that might happen next week, 2018, never.

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: October 21, 2016, 04:55:16 PM »

Does anyone know, or could someone please test, can you record 1080 to external recorder while simultaneously recording 4K internally?
 

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: October 14, 2016, 04:34:48 PM »

Interesting views from Canon USA, in HDSLR Shooter interview:

Some talk about cards too.

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General Chat / Canon 6D Mark II - coming in early 2017

« on: September 11, 2016, 05:46:24 PM »

This came in at friday from canonrumors newsletter:

The Canon EOS 6D Mark II
We're told that we should expect the Canon EOS 6D Mark II to be announced in early 2017, well ahead of NAB in April.
Keep an eye on these emails, as we hope to give some exclusive 6D Mark II information as it becomes publishable.

There's nothing about this on the site yet, but earlier rumors say the same:
June 23
http://www.canonrumors.com/eos-6d-mark-ii-new-dslr-body-in-2017/
April 15
http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-talk-updated-roadmap-cr2/

Waiting for more decent crop...

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: August 26, 2016, 05:20:40 PM »

Maybe you guys shouldn't worry about crop factor, before you get the concept right.

Crop Factor compared to 5D FullFrame.
(Source is Abelcine FOV comparator - in the ballpark, not updated lately)

Crop Factor = 1.2x
- Canon 1DC at 4K (as known as APS-H)

Crop Factor = 1.3x
- RED Dragon 6K HD

Crop Factor = 1.4x
- Super35 Film
- RED Epic 5K HD

Crop Factor = 1.5x
- Arri Alexa (2.8k I think)
- Canon 7D (as know as APS-C)
- Canon C100
- Canon C300
- Canon C500
- Panavision Genesis
- Sony F65
- Sony FS700

Crop Factor = 1.6x
- Sony F55/F5

Crop Factor = 1.7x
- RED Epic 4K HD
- BlackMagic Production Camera 4K

Crop Factor = 2.0-2.9x
- BlackMagic Cinema Camera 2.3x
- Black Magic Pocket Camera 2.9x

Crop Factor = 3x
- Super16 Film
- Sony F5/F55 2K Center Crop
 
Micro Four Thirds = about 2.0x
Canon XC10 = 2.7x
Broadcasting cameras 2/3-inch chip = around 3.8x
iPhone 6 = 7.2x

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: August 25, 2016, 03:10:50 PM »

OK trying to sum some thoughts up, hardware limitations currently reducing possibilities with Magic Lantern....
These are limitations with CF card system, and CPU buffer, right?

To get that DCI 4K at 25, 24, 23.98 fps RAW would hit that limitation?
Motion JPEG is heavy tough. RAW might be easier? Also the crop helps?
Sadly it's weird crop for traditional framing, but not the worst.
USB 3.0 some help for the Dev's?
And new Digic 6+ power.

Latest 5D mark III firmware didn't dance so well with ML?
6D Mark II coming up 2017 probably with better 4K crop factor.


Edit: Maybe 12-bit/10-bit 4K/FullHD RAW could be easier?
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5601.0

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: August 25, 2016, 02:06:40 PM »

Most of these as expected:
- DCI 4K (not UHD) center crop 1.74x
- 500 Mbps in 8-bit 4:2:2 at 29.97, 25, 24, 23.98 fps
- FullHD 59.94fps 4:2:0 8-bit
- External recording uncompressed 1080 YCbCr 4:2:2 8-bit, no 4K
- HDMI 1.3
- USB 3.0
- Same CF card, SD card is UHS-I only
- Single Digic 6+, however, promo video shows Digic 6 also:

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: August 25, 2016, 05:38:06 AM »

Announced
http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-announces-the-eos-5d-mark-iv-dslr/

Canon USA
https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/see-legendary

HDMI and USB ports are lot better and for bonus there's USB 3.0 Micro B port cable protector included.

Comparison to 5D Mark III
https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/see-legendary/comparison

Video samples
https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/see-legendary/videos

B&H first look - with video
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/news/canon-5d-mark-iv-arrives-two-updated-l-series-lenses

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: August 23, 2016, 06:02:35 PM »

UHS-I can be found from the original source:
http://digicame-info.com/2016/08/eos-5d-mark-iv-12.html

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: August 17, 2016, 01:57:48 PM »

Missed that, it's a good one too. Speed up tethering I hope...
 
Yeah why reduce sampling in 1080 1D X II?
My guess, Canon still has six different cameras on their Cinema EOS line available:
C100, C100 II, 1DC, C300, C300 II, C500:
http://cinemaeos.usa.canon.com/
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Brand_Canon&ci=28624&N=3705627354+4291570227
And more to come at IBC in few weeks (C700? maybe even C100 III by the end of the year?).

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Camera-specific Development / Re: Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: August 17, 2016, 01:15:46 PM »

Good call MarkusAedo and chris_overseas!
CF is at end of the line, Compact Flash Association have decided not to improve the technology anymore.

4:2:2 could be 4K internal.
If I got it right, 1DX II don't have uncompressed HDMI and that was one of the rare firmware updates from Canon to really make a difference when it hit 5DIII.
 
Edit: This is from B&H 1DX II:
When recording in-camera, 4K video has 4:2:2 sampling and 8-bit color depth.
While Full HD 1080p footage has 4:2:0 sampling.
Uncompressed Full HD 1080p video can also be saved via HDMI to an optional external recorder with 4:2:2 color sampling.

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Camera-specific Development / Canon 5D Mark IV

« on: August 11, 2016, 11:11:29 PM »

"CANON ANNOUNCES THE EOS 5D MARK IV"
http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-announces-the-eos-5d-mark-iv-dslr/


****************************************************************************
Release date is supposedly 25th and big 5D event starting couple of days after that in Japan.

Lot of reliable rumors surfacing [link updated, full list]:
http://www.canonrumors.com/full-specifications-images-of-eos-5d-mark-iv/

Worst thing so far: No CFast card.
Same codec as in 1DX mark II: 4:2:2 8bit 500mbps MJPEG
No word about uncompressed HDMI out or any LOG, neither of these in 1DX mark II.
Biggest scare so far: Speculation about leaving DPAF out (which sounds crazy).

Newer CPU tough, so...maybe better FullHD ML RAW capabilities at least...
 

Edit: changed title from "Canon 5D Mark IV - two weeks out"
Edit2: changed title from "to be announced next week"
Edit3: changed title from "Few More Days"

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General Chat / Re: 1D X II

« on: February 03, 2016, 08:31:12 PM »

P.S. What is a "travel cinema camera" anyway?

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General Chat / Re: 1D X II

« on: February 03, 2016, 08:29:53 PM »

HDMI at it's best.
Sure you can do it, but why? CFast good enough for Amira and Alexa Mini.
4K recorders ain't the freeride either.
And if you're in such a hurry, shouldn't HD be enough... I mean 4K is just 4k, why not buy GH4 or iPhone.

The proper way is 6G-SDI and that's a different price bracket.

I love that CFast card!
We have to have that in the next 5D -camera.

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General Chat / Re: 1D X II

« on: February 02, 2016, 06:06:47 PM »

That 5999$ doesn't in fact sound that bad. I was expecting lot more (just compare to Leica).
Raven will set you back about 12000 euros before it's in working order, but this ones going to be better for most of the time...

Newsshooter has nice Hands On test, including Canon Australias video capablities test
http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/02/02/canon-launch-4k-eos-1d-x-mkii-professional-dslr-we-go-hands-on-testing-the-touch-screen-af/

Goodbye clumsy Follow Focus

EOS-1D X Mark II 4K Video Capabilities Test With Abraham Joffe

B&H Photo has another Hans On as seen in canonrumors

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Share Your Videos / Re: Neat Video tests on RAW footage

« on: February 02, 2016, 01:22:05 AM »

2016, Neat Video still relevant for MLV and Premiere Pro CC?

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General Chat / Re: 1D X II

« on: February 01, 2016, 04:49:58 PM »

Well i'm not planning for 30 minute takes 
But yeah maybe few years more before 4k raw pipeline.
Still i'd like to start testing

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General Chat / 1D X II

« on: January 30, 2016, 09:46:58 AM »

Here next week.

Speculation, leeks and rumors for specifications have been going for so long, that the list has tighten up.
Consensus seems to be that it'll arrive as 20.2MP camera.

Which is great. 2016 and the larger photosites of Alev III still rule the world. Also 5D3 which supposed to be overrun by now, is still more than relevant.
That 20MP suggest that the image out of this beast will be exceptional.

Now, 4k with CFast cards, the RAW from 1DX II would be amazing.

Which brings us back to the dead horse.
(Yes I've read the old posts).

Allegedly, Canon once tread with legal action against ML if touching 1D, this of couse was probably just internet horse shit.
Also one argument for not going for 1D X ML was that only for few ML users would have that, so it wasn't worth it(?!)
And lastly, who would provide expensive camera for ML testing?

Well, many who are still in the game, are thinking of going the next level cameras anyway.
Also, we got linux now! MLVProducer! It's exploration, science! And what was the original thought behind ML...

So... I know you are interested. 

P.S. Please no lazy replies about Apertus Axiom. That's nothing away from ML.

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General Chat / Re: 5D IV / C

« on: April 09, 2015, 09:34:44 AM »

Alright, Canon has been busy before NAB:
XC10
4K Reference monitor
New 4K format
C300 mark II
http://www.canonrumors.com/

The new C300 II has very impressive spec list:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/04/announcement-canon-eos-c300-mark-ii/

However, makes you wonder what's left for 5D IV when C300 mk II starts at $16k.

EDIT: 5D IV to use C300 II technology
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/04/eos-5d-mark-iv-to-use-eos-c300-mark-ii-technology-cr2/

Also the same rumor again about the split to IV and C models, both coming...
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/04/two-more-5d-cameras-coming-cr1/