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how to send the mlv file on this forum? thx for the help.

100d seems not as sharp as 650d. Maybe af is not as precise as 650d. Will test more.

MLVApp also stretches cDNG (by metadata). Probably your used NLE/viewer/... is not able to read cDNG metadata completely.

I use resolve 18, and it cannot stretch. thx for the explanation. will try later.

I also notice that there are red focusing pixels on 100d footage. I use 5x5 chroma smoothing getting rid of these. maybe the map for 100d is not ready?

i did some 5.2k 1x3 footage on 100d. i use mlvapp to export cdng, none of the options do stretching. is there a way to stretch in mlvapp and then export to cdng? if not, i am going to do prores444 as usual. thx.

Just installed the crop mood ver 20230809 on Rebel SL1 with firmware updated version 1.01. Aamazing work. Two thumbs up.

I can do continuously recording (green) in 5.2k 1x3 mode, ar 2.67, 10 bit, 14 bit lossless, 24p, sd card overclocking 240 mhz, small hack more, global draw off on, sandisk extreme pro 256 gb. I tested at iso 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600. At ISO 800 and 1600, the recording time is about 30 seconds when global draw off is off, continuous when global draw off on. At ISO 100-400, it is truly continuous even when global draw off is off.

Two issues:
1. when stop the recording, there is error message "audio cannot stop recording".
2. when play back, the screen is black, and I have to take battery off and restart the camera, then I can play back the latest clip, but no other function buttons showing up.

update
i found out that after i unload the raw hack module, the mlv playback is normal now.

Just installed the crop mood ver 20230809 on Rebel SL1 with firmware updated version 1.01. Aamazing work. Two thumbs up.

I can do continuously recording (green) in 5.2k 1x3 mode, ar 2.67, 10 bit, 14 bit lossless, 24p, sd card overclocking 240 mhz, small hack more, global draw off on, sandisk extreme pro 256 gb. I tested at iso 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600. At ISO 800 and 1600, the recording time is about 30 seconds when global draw off is off, continuous when global draw off on. At ISO 100-400, it is truly continuous even when global draw off is off.

Two issues:
1. when stop the recording, there is error message "audio cannot stop recording".
2. when play back, the screen is black, and I have to take battery off and restart the camera, then I can play back the latest clip, but no other function buttons showing up.

I overlooked one thing: You seem to be using the 650D and 100D exclusively, So you won't be able to use Danne's custom build for now.

Therefore, You'll have to use bilal's original build.
You can follow the instructions here to enable all the modules: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0M7n2cAHMM

Sorry about that!

i don't have m. thx for the video.

Nowhere did I (Or anyone else)  say that this method will make the card work. This method avoids the problems related to card corruption. And based on a whole summer's worth of almost daily shoots, it works.
But In your case, it could be that your card is from a different batch. (See my previous post about the 128GB Extreme Pro)

So the first thing you should do is to try the method yourself.
Use Danne's version of crop mood https://bitbucket.org/Dannephoto/magiclantern_hg_02/downloads/  you won't have to scratch your head or watch the video to make it work.
You copy the files and it's ready to shoot.
(You may have to enable the bench.mo module manually though)
The whole process should take you less than 10 minutes.

I added : 5. Reboot the camera at least twice before the first use.
Some settings are quite persistent on the Eos M (So maybe it's the same thing for the 650D). And for some reason, the new settings don't always get transferred to the cam's non-volatile memory on the first try.  (Maybe someone who knows why that is could chime in??)

Also, after the low-level format, you'll see the light flashing for a few seconds. You should wait for it to stop flashing before going further.

thx a lot. will try. exciting.

There's only one way to find out!
But maybe you could post your card's CID, along with those who reported the same issue, so we can see if those cards are like mine. Prior to the latest Overclock module, I had two Extreme Pro 128's, and only one of those worked.

There is something else I don't have a way to test, but maybe some cards draw more current than others? I use a Dummy Battery and power Bank which outputs  2A @ 9V, 22.5W.
Have you tried with the original Canon battery with a full charge?

so the new way is
1. format the card on pc/mac as a new card.
2. low level format the card in ml camera with 240 mhz sd card overclock module activated.
3. on pc/mac copy the ml files to the sd card.
4. firmware update to make the sd card bootable
5. reformat the sd card before everytime use it

then it can reach 85mb/s for sandisk extreme pro 256gb.

do i miss anything here? thx. 85 mb/s is a big jump.

There's only one way to find out!
But maybe you could post your card's CID, along with those who reported the same issue, so we can see if those cards are like mine. Prior to the latest Overclock module, I had two Extreme Pro 128's, and only one of those worked.

There is something else I don't have a way to test, but maybe some cards draw more current than others? I use a Dummy Battery and power Bank which outputs  2A @ 9V, 22.5W.
Have you tried with the original Canon battery with a full charge?

yes, i used original canon batteries in battery grip on 650d. but 100d i use only one fully charged battery.

Once you copied the ML files to the card, You put it in the camera and do a firmware update (It won't do a firmware update, but it will make the card boot to ML)
You follow the instructions and restart when asked.

thx
you think this new way will increase sandisk extreme pro 256gb to 85MB/s? mine is about 66 MB/s now.

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"then back to the camera to make it bootable."

how can you make sd card bootable in camera?

Just installed the crop mood ver 20230809 on Rebel SL1 with firmware updated version 1.01. Aamazing work. Two thumbs up.

I can do continuously recording (green) in 5.2k 1x3 mode, ar 2.67, 10 bit, 14 bit lossless, 24p, sd card overclocking 240 mhz, small hack more, global draw off on, sandisk extreme pro 256 gb. I tested at iso 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600. At ISO 800 and 1600, the recording time is about 30 seconds when global draw off is off, continuous when global draw off on. At ISO 100-400, it is truly continuous even when global draw off is off.

Two issues:
1. when stop the recording, there is error message "audio cannot stop recording".
2. when play back, the screen is black, and I have to take battery off and restart the camera, then I can play back the latest clip, but no other function buttons showing up.

People usually say a lot of shit on the Internet
Free & Studio version of Resolve relies over the same GPU engine, Studio just got more available advanced features.
As explained by @masc, an 8-bits engine will imply very visible banding issues.

Don't get how MLVApp would have "better color" than Resolve in the end, a 14-bits integer bit depth footage fit perfectly in 32-bits float without any loss, and we're talking here about one of the most renowned color-grading software with bullet-proof color science (DaVinci Wide Gamut & ACES colorspaces etc.), so eventually the only weak point may be the RAW (DNG) debayering algorithm (personally prefer the one used by Adobe in CameraRaw) but the differences are quite indistinguishable...

thanks for the good explanation.

@mlrocks DaVinci Resolve engine (both free & studio version) works internally using 32bits float (single precision GPU float value).

why do someone say the free version is only 8 bit?

MLVApp is 16bit, DualISO 20bit.

thank you, masc. probably this is why mlvapp has better color than resolve free version.

is mlvapp intrinsically 14bit? or 12 bit?
i read somewhere resolve free version is 8 bit.

Don't get me wrong, I love my 5D3+ML, but I bet 12-bit Raw with R5 / R5C outplays 14-bit ML Raw with 5D3 by far.

Guess we are talking about cost / benefits here

8k is not significantly sharper than 4k.

https://youtu.be/mGwZLfU1kgo?si=R3RV_UNje3Vz7ayD

RED DSMC2 Helium 8K Vs. Scarlet 5K


5d3 ml raw is 14 bit true lossless, r5c canon raw light is 12 bit with a compression ratio of 3 or 5.
So it is not a blow out of water thing.
R5c has less rolling shutter than r5, and of course than 5d3.
At 10 times cost, the gain is minimal. But video af is much better, day and night. For me, I have many more mf lenses than af ones, so does not matter to me. For steadycam and gimbal, r5c blows 5d3 ml out of water.

This makes me think that you never tried to recover some detail from shadows on 5D3 crappy sensor

5d3 650d/700d/m/100d sensors' achellis heel is heavy rolling shutter. they were designed for still photography, not for movies. but 14 bit color is rare even in cinema cameras. it is all about pros and cons.

In the current era, the major issue of magic lantern in general is that now there are too many excellent choices, very different from 10 years ago, when 5d3 ml raw was the only low budget raw video camera in the town. Nowadays the magic lantern project is more for fun as cam dev to know the camera inside, or to provide extreme low budget raw cameras to beginners. the impact on the whole cinematography industry is far less important than 10 years ago. I still like ml, just more for nostalgic purpose.

I was thinking about buying a new camera and I am baffled that actually magic lantern still keeps up with other modern cameras. I would basically wait until the Canon EOS R5C Mark II.  With the cameras currently selling, I really am much more happy with the Canon EOS 5D3.

What do you think... will you be interested in a Canon EOS R5C Mark II?

I have been searching for a new beautiful 135mm lens. I have to admit the new lenses for Sony E-mount look somehow better?

Other expensive examples:
Viltrox 16mm F1.8 FE
Canon RF 24-105mm F2.8 L IS USM Z
Canon RF 28-70mm F2 L USM
Sony SEL FE 300mm f2,8 GM OSS
Canon RF 800mm F11 IS STM

I am really surprised, Canon still hasn't opened their lens mount. When do you think that you can eventually buy other lenses for Canon RF?

the current generation of rf lenses are not canon's best. wait for another decade, rf lenses will mature. by then, canon may open rf mount to sigma, tokina, etc.
i don't care about af, i use mf lenses most of time, so no big deal to me.

zeiss zf/ze 135 is apo, no af, iq is very good.

Already been discussed here.
The DR is the same because 3.5k is just a crop of the full frame, the sensor capability remains the same

if so, then rolling shutter should be the same too?

To me, there is. And rolling shutter makes me sick with FF @ wide angles.

But all of this is subjective of course.

if you do 800%, yes, many latest mirrorless or even iphone 15 pro max beat 5d3ml in all modes.
but in reality, even viewing one foot from 1080p computer screen of 27 inches size in full screen mode is more demanding than sitting in the middle seats of a standard theatre. hollywood pro dps already test that more than 4k or even more than 2k is overkill for normal scenarios. for aerial or outer spacial shooting, 1000k makes sense. 

i like both modes, but the vista vision has something special indesciblely beautiful. when comparing my two sessions of 3.5k 5d3 ml with efs 10-18 and 5.7k with an old mf lens, i feel the former has high apparent resolution, but kind of dry; the latter s much smoother, like painting, resolution is also good enough, more balanced. color feels deeper too, but hard to reason why. maybe the lens matters, but i think the sensor size matters too.
update: I remember now that the 3.5k session was 10 bit only, 5.7k session was 12-14 bit. At the time, this was the highest bit rate can go with continuous recording. So maybe this is why 5.7k color seems deeper.

anyways, the best part is that you can have both in one cam for free.

I was thinking about buying a new camera and I am baffled that actually magic lantern still keeps up with other modern cameras. I would basically wait until the Canon EOS R5C Mark II.  With the cameras currently selling, I really am much more happy with the Canon EOS 5D3.

What do you think... will you be interested in a Canon EOS R5C Mark II?

I have been searching for a new beautiful 135mm lens. I have to admit the new lenses for Sony E-mount look somehow better?

Other expensive examples:
Viltrox 16mm F1.8 FE
Canon RF 24-105mm F2.8 L IS USM Z
Canon RF 28-70mm F2 L USM
Sony SEL FE 300mm f2,8 GM OSS
Canon RF 800mm F11 IS STM

I am really surprised, Canon still hasn't opened their lens mount. When do you think that you can eventually buy other lenses for Canon RF?

i second you. i may go for an r5c 2. r5 although has no overheating warning, but the heat sink is too small for 8k raw. r5c is much better, 8k 60p raw, but no ibis, battery life is short. r5c 2 may be what we want, as we are spoiled by 5d3 ml. even so, i doubt that you will find much improvement on absolute iq, maybe more on af, ibis, easy to use, etc.
i was astonished that how well 5d3 ml or crop mood 650d/700d footage keeps up well with new mirrorless and cinema cameras, as long as you don't pixel peep at 200% or more etc.