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Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D/T4i 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: December 02, 2013, 03:31:50 PM »
Yeah.. I was quite careful not to say where is it but just... is anyone working on it.

I also started my post "Love ML" so as not to look like a troll!

I have no idea how difficult it is to implement such a thing but would love to have it!

I teach media to young people and ML has been fantastic for them too! ;D
I would say "Is somebody working on feature X?" is much better question than the typical question of "When will feature X be done?"  The first is a simple yes or no.  The second asks for an estimation and (to some level) a commitment.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D/T4i 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: December 02, 2013, 03:27:13 PM »
Hey guys long time reader, been using my 650d for broadcasting reasons. Just wondering is there a way to stop my T4I's LiveView to stop closing? Also is there a way for me to set the HDMI out put to be a 16:9 image with out the black bars.
There is a setting in the Canon Menu.  It is something like Auto-off.  After a period of inactivity, the camera turns off.  There is an option for the setting for never shut off.  Hopefully that is what you mean by "stop closing".

I don't use the HDMI out. Maybe someone else can help you with that.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D/T4i 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: November 28, 2013, 03:40:43 AM »
Attention Mac users - can someone please tell me what selections I'm supposed to make with Macboot? Most of the instructions here speak of making the card non-bootable with the Windows utility only.

If I remember correctly, I have only checked "Make DSLR-bootable" when using MacBoot to set the bootflag on an SD card.  Make sure you use macboot.command if you are on Lion or later as the java app must have root permissions to change the SD card as it needs to.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D/T4i 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: October 09, 2013, 06:30:50 AM »

I guess I didn't understand the whole thing. Do I have to repeat the whole installation process for each new SD card i plug in? Because I did everything and I can't seem to make ML run on my second SD card.

So let's say I format an SD card with ML files in it? Do I have to repeat installation again?
You have to set the bootflag on the SD card (make it bootable) using MacBoot or EOScard. Then copy the ML folder and autoexec.bat to the card. No formatting necessary unless you want exfat for files larger then 4GB.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D/T4i 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: October 08, 2013, 07:15:10 PM »
I formatted it in camera.
You shouldn't be able to boot the camera if you have the bootflag on the card set and ML is not on the card.  Check that you correctly set the bootflag on the card.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D/T4i 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: October 07, 2013, 03:30:29 PM »
Hi all,

Well, I am ready to take the heat for being naive on this. 

This weekend I finally had a chance to play and wanted to do a full minute of raw and blend in surround sound (new recorder  :)).  Up until now I have been doing 10 sec clips.  Unfortunately I could not do continuous raw recording at 1280 x 720 at 16:9.

The message at the bottom says 36.8 MB/s  is needed (yellow text). I get about 700 frames before it stops.  If I change settings to 1152x648 16:9 or change the aspect ratio of the 1280 I can get the “green” continuous recording, which is obviously lower that the 720p. 

I believe I have the camera settings ok unless someone can advise.  I have two cards.  One is a SanDisk Extreme 80mb/s 8 gig class 10 (I got this before I realized this was over kill for the T4i) and a San Disk Extreme 45 MB/s class 10 64 gig.  Neither works for continuous raw recording at 1280 x 720 at 16:9. 

So is my camera a lemon or have I missed something?

I appreciate any insights.

36.8 MB/s seems high for 720p. Maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly. You may want to check your frame rate.  720p works at 24FPS (given sufficient SD card performance).  Easiest way to get there is to set the Canon video mode to record 1080p24.  Then setup your RAW rec settings for 720p. 

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: October 03, 2013, 07:27:48 PM »

thx but i have installed ML so


1. i Download the

2. then i format SD card in low level (in the Cam 650D)

3. then i put the Card to my computer

4. Run EOSCard, i uncheck EOS_Develop and BOOTDISK

5. then i put the Files " from 3 August 2013" and drop it into my SD CARD (16GB) and then i install 1.0.4 ( the installation worked)


1. i put the 128Gb card into my Computer and i formated the Card
2. then i run EOSCard and then i did click on EOS_DEVELOP and BOOTDISK (is the 2 clicks a Bootflag what u mean???)
3. and then i took the files from the first SD CARD (16GB)  and did put into the 128GB Card,then I took the last Nightly Files and Overrirde about the old Files (from 3.August2013), and then back to Cam,and i worked,and it sometimes lagged.....

This Steps i dont understand,because my English is not very well....When we have here a German USER ,please answer me here,or send me a PM.thx

6. Start camera in M photo mode and reset settings to default. (i dont understand this)
what i must reset,and where????
7. Extract the contents of the installation zip on SD card. (i dont understand this)
What it means? the NIGHTLYs or what???
8. Start camera in M photo mode and run firmware update. This will run the ML setup and make your card bootable too. (i dont understand this)
9. Follow the on-screen instructions  (i dont understand this)

When i look the Tutorial in youtube as example this one its show so much different,and nobody explain me/us the STEPS from 6 to 9

and please, much people downloads youtube Videos or Pictures,but no explain us, how or where we can change DUAL ISO or Raw Video etc......There is no "short" Tutorials about Video Settings,Images Settings, Dual ISO ,or RAW Video etc.

Sorry i must deinstalled Magic lantern,because is to complicated for me in English.I got in this 20 minutes to much headache from the Settings in ML.....and the HDR videos dont work, its flickering,and i have no Time to proceed the Videos  and sit for my Computer 30 minutes......

but thx for the Hard Works,and maybee what i dont believe, we have someone that translate ML in German.......

If ML is working with the 16GB card, you do not need steps 6-9.  Steps 6-9 are only needed to make the camera look for something to run on the SD card.  I will try to answer your questions stated but you shouldn't need them

6. that means to set the dial to Manual (M) and turn the switch from off to photo (not video) Then go into Canon menu and find the options to reset the Canon settings to default (wrench3 or 4 maybe)
7. Extract the contents of the 2013Aug03 zip to the SD card (you shouldn't need to do this except for initial install)
8. set the dial to Manual (M) and turn the switch from off to photo (not video) Then in the Canon menu do a firmware update (DO NOT do this with the 128 card)
9. The previous step (step 8 ) will result in some instructions on the screen.  Follow the instructions.

HDR videos should flicker. HDR video records alternating bright and dark frames.  playing back as a normal video will give a strobe effect.  post processing merges frame pairs (1&2, 3&4, ...) giving the HDR.

When you update to the nightly build, delete the previous install (ML directory and autoexec.bat) first.  Then move the new build (ML directory and autoexec.bat) over to the SD card.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: October 03, 2013, 05:04:55 PM »
i dont understand this....i format my SD Card, put the files what is in the zip File of 3 August 2013 is,and then i format after that again the SD Card, and then i put the Files what is in the Nightly???????

WHY can i not put directly the Nightlys into the SD Card.

PLEASE make a good Tutorial for that when u give us Nightlys,....and please explain me how can i use a 128 GB Card....thx
You only need the 2013Aug03 zip for setting the bootflag on your camera.  If that is done, you want to only use the nightly build.  Delete the previous build off of the SD card before putting a new one on.  Do not just overwrite the previous folder.

For the 128GB card...
- format the card with exFat (this is OS specific how to do it.  Use Disk Utility on Mac. If you don't know how to format a card ask specifically for that mentioning OS or better yet google it)
- Set the bootflag on the SD card using EOSCard, MacBoot, ... (search the forum if you are unfamiliar with how to do that)
- Download the nightly
  - Click "Home Page" on top of this page
  - Click "Downloads" at the top of that page
  - Scroll down to and click on "Browse Nightly Builds"
  - Select 650D.104 for the platform (Your camera should be running Canon 1.0.4 firmware)
  - Click "Download"
- Extract the zip file once downloaded
- Move the ML folder and autoexec.bat files to the top-level directory of the newly formatted 128GB SD card
- Insert SD card into 650D
- Turn on 650D
- Push Trashcan button for ML menu
- Select appropriate menu options (too many to list)
- Push Trashcan button to exit ML menu
- press Info button a few times until ML overlays show up

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: September 25, 2013, 10:13:33 PM »
Hi dngrhm, I have (I believe) the latest version of Raw Therapee––is there a difference between Raw Therapee and Pink Dot Removal Tool? Is there a separate java app maybe for Pink Dot Removal tool that can run on Mac?
I havent' used RawTherapee, but my understanding is that it uses PDR.  You should be able to download the PDR (there is a link in the tutorial though the link is flawed and lacks a : between http and //) and extract to a directory on your computer. Double click the Jar file to run it.

or run the following from the command line in the directory that you just put it in.
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java -jar "PinkDotRemover.jar"

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: September 25, 2013, 08:49:20 PM »
1) Status of Pink Dot Remover/Raw Therapee: I already posted this in the Pink Dot Removal thread, but I figured I'd post it here as well. Raw Therapee runs extremely slow/laggy on my new Mac and crahses frequently. It also doesn't seem to remove pink dots!

Is anyone else here using a Mac? I'm hoping for a solution. I am following GNA's tutorial on processing RAW video, and it seems on his PC he's able to process the .RAW file in the Pink Dot Removal Tool BEFORE using raw2dng.

On Mac, Raw Therapee doesn't seem to be able to open .RAW, so I first used raw2dng, opened up the DNG's in Raw Therapee, and attempted to use the Hot/Dead Pixel Fixer, but this seemed to do nothing.

For Mac I would suggest RAW Magic after using the PDR tool.  I think you need the latest PDR to run it on the RAW file.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: September 18, 2013, 11:13:57 PM »
Once you set the bootflag on your camera, that is always set, but your camera loads ML from the SD card every time it boots.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: September 12, 2013, 02:59:33 PM »
Every day on this topic only hdr, raw, dual iso etc.... bla-bla-bla. I never see the any useful real video with this features from that guys

WHEN audio meter comes to 650D?!!!! looks like NEVER((((( its a terrible disappointment for me (((
Sell your 650D body, buy a 550D, stop complaining.  Doesn't have to be in that order.  If audio is so important that you come on every week or so to complain about it not being implemented, fix the problem yourself. Become a dev or buy a new camera.
Just because you don't think a feature is important doesn't mean that no one thinks it is important.  For what I do, I don't care about audio.  I'd prefer there not even be audio because I just have to remove it from every clip. 
The audio problem is much bigger than you think.  The devs aren't just holding it back for fun.  If I understand it right, the audio chip for the 650D & EOSM work completely differently from previous cameras.  Not just a different chip, but the code interfaces with it differently.  For the non-developer, that means it is a huge departure in how things are done.  It is not just finding out where the different registers are located, but what to shove into those registers to make things work.  There is work being done on audio, but it is not a simple problem as you seem to suggest. 
Nobody really cares if you are terribly disappointed that a free product hasn't implemented the one feature you care about.  There are others who want this feature as well and they also state their desire for this feature without the dramatic complaining.
Yes, I'm in a bad mood today.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: September 03, 2013, 01:52:56 PM »
Come on man, no need to be rude.

Let's make it clear.

This one is slow, don't buy it:

This one is good enough:

Just make sure you can tell the difference between these two:

because the right one has a write speed about 21MB/s (at least in 550D and 650D — may be some UDMA stuff, not sure)
I wanted to argue with Rewind until I clicked on the links he posted.  We are saying the same card is good.  Rewind is pointing out a bad card that might confuse people if we keep giving a "all 45MB/s cards are good" as I have also done.  Apparently the gold Pro 45 MB/s is an old, poor performing card.  Unless someone has this specific gold Pro 45MB/s card and gets better data rates, which would mean the 21MB/s is from a bad example.  From the language Rewind is using, I don't think this is the case.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 29, 2013, 10:06:04 PM »
Again about the sound settings (the ML one) is there any development in that subject on the 650D?
I really would like some VU meters on the live view or at least audio out monitoring through the usb interface of the camera.
Is this possible for the 650D?
  • 1% mentioned a long time ago in a thread far far away some success on the EOS-M (the 650D's evil twin) with audio.  There is some hope and it is somewhere on the list of stuff to do.
  • As with all development on ML there is no estimate of when it will be available or worked on.
  • It's a very useful feature, it is not the ONLY useful feature
  • The developers are aware of a desire for this feature
  • There is a so-so work around to use the canon menu to set the manual gain and check the level
  • You are not alone in requesting this feature in this thread or the one before it.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 27, 2013, 01:01:01 AM »

Got my cam.   Interesting, I do not have the aspect ratio you used nor do I have 1476.  I have 1472x828 at 16:9 but on my 45 45b/s card, I can not get continuous frames using this.  Also 20 sec gets my about 1 gig file size so not clear of diff with your file size.  Any other setting you did?  Sorry if these observations are too rookie like.  I am just really starting to learn about the video aspect of our camera.

The 14xx resolution was 1:2.35 not 16:9. 1472x838 is likely too high for continuous recording

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 23, 2013, 08:20:43 PM »
How quickly are you folks filling up your cards shooting RAW video? I'm just thinking about doing a test sometime at the beginning of september and wondering if I should pick up another Sandisk...
I don't have a card fast enough to record at 720p at the moment, but to try to give you an answer (and bump)... I think a 32 GB card will hold ~13 minutes of RAW video.  Please correct me if I'm wrong anyone out there running 720p RAW video.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 23, 2013, 08:17:15 PM »
What you you using to recompile the files into video?  Virtual Dub?
This would be better answered in a post processing workflow thread.  It has the advantage that all ML RAW video users will be able to give answers.  In the post processing of RAW video, it has more to do with your platform (Win/Lin/Mac) and tools.  You might want to start with the below thread and check out the other threads in Post Processing Workflow section.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 22, 2013, 10:08:36 PM »
You guys are saying that when you use the UHS-I cards in your 650D, you can't get above 30-40mb/s ? Because as I researched, I found out that UHS-I UHS104 cards can record up to 104 mb/s with 208 Mhz clock frequency, but only 50 mb/s with 100 Mhz frequency.

Maybe you don't have UHS104 cards and are using slow UHS-I cards?

See here:
The card is not the limitation (if you get a 45MB/s card).  The hardware in the camera is what runs at 100 MHz and cannot be changed (entirely new level of hacking, start your own forum).  The bus sends 4 bits per clock giving a theoretical max of 50MB/s.  IRL we are seeing ~40MB/s on testing.  Not trying to be a jerk with the bold but incorrect capitalization when taking about such things might get you bit.

May not want to send him back there undirected.  There was much misinformation on that thread as well.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 22, 2013, 05:49:44 PM »
I found the comment below in another forum.  It implies only 560.  So are you guys really getting 1080 x 720?

Just arrived
Posts: 6

RAW on 650D / 700D?
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2013, 04:16:54 PM »
1280x560 is maximum i could get on my 650D with UHS-I card. It seems that controller is limited to 30-40mb/s which is poor
but 1280x560 looks great, even upscaled !
I think that is about what the 650D was getting in June.  Developers make the world better.  Thanks ML team.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 22, 2013, 03:44:01 PM »
I am, of course, intrigued by the possibility! I'm a video student with a limited budget, and at this time can't afford to either upgrade to the Panasonic GH3 or the Canon 5D Mark III (two cameras I really want to get my hands on!)

So I'm looking for any way to increase the sharpness and professionalism of the footage coming out of the 650D.
Not sure if this is an option for you (and not to knock the T4i, it is a great camera with ML), but you might consider the 50D.  I believe the 50D has RAW video support and a CF card slot making it the cheapest option for 1080p RAW video.  The catch is that there is no audio.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 21, 2013, 04:11:03 PM »
Hello i read this Forum every week And i work in my camera the ML work very well. But now i have a problem in this week, I could not use the magic lantern on a card that I had stored there. is an extreme pro 16gb san disk in write speed 45MB (says on the card). Now in the 1.0.1 firmware version could use but since the software update of the camera, I could not use it again since that card. I have another Transcend 16 GB Class 10 that still works on camera with ML. Can this be so? Am I right or possibly make a mistake. I have two nights after returning from work trying to fix so I ask here in the forum..
Be sure to delete the previous ML install (ML directory & autoexec) off the card before putting the new one on.  Make sure your 16GB 64MB/s card works in something else as well.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 20, 2013, 10:47:52 PM »
just follow the instructions, they apply to upgrades as well as new installs

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 16, 2013, 05:01:00 AM »
Right now I'm doing all I can to trick out my T4i/650D. Using a prime lens (Canon 50mm f1.8 ) for optimum sharpness and an ND filter to knock down sunlight in shallow depth of field shots.

I really curious if people think I can get a better quality image with ML, scaling the ML Raw footage to 1080p, than the footage I took with the Canon firmware at 1080p below:
Very nicely done video. There are some workflow hurdles with RAW and how you choose to overcome them can change the final video.  There is a lot of potential with the RAW recording especially for sharpness and dynamic range.  The scaling is an issue but the other option is the compression artifacts in the h.264 video.  The question is if you can use it to help out your video.  The RAW comparisons in this and other RAW video threads are rather convincing to me that the benefits outweigh the scaling. 

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 15, 2013, 10:54:49 PM »
How to uninstall ML even BOOTDISK flag in camera
You can't that I'm aware of.  Maybe "re-upgading" the firmware will, but I don't know for sure.

This really isn't a major concern as the camera BOOTFLAG doesn't affect function unless you have an SD card with ML on it.

Formatting the card in camera with ML running and pressing Q to erase ML from the SD card will also clear the BOOTFLAG on that card.  Should be all you need to do.

Camera-specific discussion / Re: Canon 650D 1.0.4 [Status: Alpha]
« on: August 14, 2013, 04:20:23 PM »
I recently used the RAW mode to shoot some 720p greenscreen footage, as no (lossy) compression is being applied it results in a MUCH better keying. I was shooting an actor in portrait mode and rotating into landscape so I actually had in excess of 1080p res vertically (1280p effectively) . which was perfect for my needs. please don't assume because YOU don't need it, that it isn't useful.
AWESOME IDEA! I hadn't thought of shooting in portrait for green screen.  You only need to capture the actor and can expand out the sides.

Idea for RAW.  Allow resolutions 1080p tall and as wide as the data rate will allow.  Rough calc 1280x720/1080 = ~850.  maybe 850 wide x 1080 high.

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